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zak247



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think MLK was a Eurocentric BLACK MAN WHO BOUGHT INTO INTEGRATION, AND INTEGRATED BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR IDENTITY.

He CERTAINLY DIDN’T Integrate them into the American mainstream.

MLK was probably goaded by the spyop folks to sell the integration BS, that led to black people wanting to integrate into whiteness, rather than self-respect, and an identity with their own culture. This led to self-hatred because they never divorced themselves from the "white" culture in their minds, the same white culture that degraded them as human beings.

Thats why the civil rights movement that preached integration was bullshit.

MLK forgot that “white” culture = oppression, and degradation of even white people, something that white brothers even on this site understand.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zak

I've seen Africans oppress Africans, Latin Americans oppress Latin Americans. Oppression is not particularly white culture.

It's up to me to enter the mainstream through the doors MLK opened. Blaming whitey only goes so far. We make our own choices.

As for self-respect and self-love, that begins at home. And I see a lot of all races in the US not parenting much of that these days.

I think those terms using "identity" are bullshit social memes concocted by the ruling class to keep everyone boxed into manageable little groups.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t misunderstand me Evelyn, I am not into any kind of racialism; my point about King was that he was just Eurocentric, in his “integration” philosophy. The connotation that blacks needed to be around white people to advance, I believe was the wrong message. [ Though I understand this was not the only connotation in integration]. Sure equality of opportunity should be, but what civil rights leaders like King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton types neglected is the message of self-improvement - like you mention [ self love and respect] - that transcends integration into “white” society.

I think we essentialy agree
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Beans! I wouldn't have thought that "identity" would have come from identical or same as, must be one of those spiritual memes.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to this threads topic:

Interesting numerology here, check it out:


Fintan says that the G 8 is really the G9, with China added to the big group, which leaves the little group at 11

Therefore the proper designation of this power group turns out to be

9 11!

Laughing

ha ha ha

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


I cant tell you all the secrets until you read my book

Anyway, I suggest we call this motley crew, the 911 group Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah! - I love it.

Quote:
G8+China=G9
Then Add:G11
TotalEvil=G20


Anyway, the 'Multipolar Meme' PROPAGANDA
of the Obama presidency rolls on and on.....

Quote:
US Intelligence Report:
World Headed for Multipolar Global Community


By VOA News - 21 November 2008

A new U.S. intelligence report predicts that
by 2025, China and India could join the
United States as top powers in a multipolar
global order.


The National Intelligence Council's "Global Trends 2025"
report released Thursday, says the U.S. will become
less dominant in the next two decades and the U.S.
dollar will fall in power, sinking to a so-called
"first among equals" in world currencies.

It also predicts a decline of al-Qaida, saying the terrorist network has
not achieved broad support in the Islamic world.

The council represents all 16 American intelligence agencies.

The report says the concentration of wealth in the world will continue its
shift from West to East. It says continued economic and population growth
will put more pressure on supplies of energy, food and water.

In the report, the experts say the pressures of climate change may also
contribute to shortages, fueling conflicts over resources.

They also say it is unclear whether China and Russia will continue
advances toward democracy and what impact Iran's nuclear program will
have on its neighbors.

The National Intelligence Council publishes a report about key global
trends every four years, in an attempt to project how the trends might
influence world events.

The council, which describes itself as the "center of strategic thinking"
within the U.S. government, reports to the director of U.S. National
Intelligence. The council says it provides the president and senior
policymakers with analyses of foreign policy issues that have been
reviewed and coordinated throughout the intelligence community.

http://voanews.com/english/2008-11-21-voa41.cfm

All of which is designed to destroy the confidence of the people
of the US to self-determe their own prosperity and interests.

The PsyOp of 'American Decline' continues in another spin below.
Note how the Project for a New American Century is dissed as a
failed policy of the Neocons. As we have maintained, the PNAC
issue was always a short-term 'loss leader' for the NWO agenda.

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U.S. intel panel warns of coming national decline

By MARTIN SIEFF - Nov. 21, 2008

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Now it's official -- sort of. The United
States is in decline. The National Intelligence Council has warned in its
latest report that the United States will decline as an economic and
political world power over the next 20 years.


The NIC report is the first major U.S. government document on national
strategy to appear since the Wall Street financial crisis began in
September. But it does far more than simply note the crisis' existence.
It warns that the ensuing economic crisis now sweeping the entire world is
just the first part of a far vaster process -- a changing of the global power
structure for the new century.

The report has the title "Global Trends 2025." But The Times of London
newspaper described it in a headline with a far bleaker and more
sensational message: "Sun setting on the American century."

The report does far more than survey the world. It was deliberately
prepared to be an influential guide for the next president of the United
States before he takes office on Jan. 20. President-elect Barack Obama
will find it exceptionally sober reading. For the report confronts Obama's
"Politics of Hope" with a warning of grave dangers ahead.

"The world of the near future will be subject to an increased likelihood of
conflict over resources, including food and water, and will be haunted by
the persistence of rogue states and terrorist groups with greater access to
nuclear weapons," it said.

The report is also an indirect but very explicit repudiation of the grand
strategy of outgoing President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick
Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the neo-
conservative intellectuals who served them.


It clearly rejects their assumption that a new century of U.S. global
supremacy, leadership and even control more total than any the United
States enjoyed in the past is likely or even achievable.

Instead, the NIC report warns of an increasingly uncontrollable,
fragmented world with strategic, military and economic power
increasingly diffused -- and with the danger of local and wider wars,
especially over scarce resources, greater than ever before.

"The international system will be almost unrecognizable by 2025, owing to
the rise of emerging powers, a globalizing economy, a transfer of wealth
from West to East, and the growing influence of non-state actors.
Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful
actor, the United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm --
will decline and U.S. leverage will become more strained," it said.

Ironically, the report appeared as French President Nicolas Sarkozy called
for a new global economic summit to be held in Paris, ahead of the one
that he and the other Group of 20 leaders of the world's major nations
agreed at their Nov. 15 Washington gathering to hold in April. It is unclear
if it would be before or after Jan. 20, but if the United States participated,
either way a very old Bush administration or very new Obama
administration would be hamstrung by the situation -- which is what the
French leader appears to have in mind.

Sarkozy's call is, in essence, nothing more than grandstanding: The G20
summit in Washington, as we predicted in these columns, proved utterly
useless in affecting the dynamics of the accelerating global economic
crisis, but there is no reason to believe that any other gathering of the
same ineffectual and unwieldy group, covering so many jealous,
independent, conflicting and mutually selfish and suspicious interests,
would prove any different.

Sarkozy was clearly trying to maneuver the European Union -- with
France as its leader -- into the role of the world's leading player in
confronting the crisis. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown clearly has
similar ambitions. But Britain and France are simply too small in their
basic economies, and the European Union too diffuse, unwieldy and
militarily weak, to fulfill that role, especially as it remains so dependent
on neighboring Russia for its natural gas supplies.

The National Intelligence Council report saw China and India as more
likely to rival or challenge the United States in a position of influence than
Europe, with Russia's role unclear.

The report, in fact, is neither sensationalist nor brilliant. It gravely
underestimates the importance of Russia as a leading energy producer
and exporter, strategic nuclear power and potential swing nation for
either stability or upheaval. It takes Japan for granted. And it
underestimates China's current economic, financial and regional military
power relative to the United States.

But the report is balanced, it attempts to be realistic and it is certainly
honest. It sets forth, in cautious, measured, bureaucratic prose, a
somewhat ponderous acknowledgment of trends that have been clearly
identified and warned about by a wide spectrum of experts and high-
powered panels of various kinds for many years.

The real importance of the report is that it so directly challenges and
rejects the assumptions of continued American unilateralist supremacy
that the Bush administration acted upon and insisted upon. Even before
President-elect Obama takes the oath of office and even while Bush
remains as an increasingly insubstantial presence in the White House,
that world is gone.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Total evil, maybe, but without a doubt, totally in control.
These people are essentially “god” to us, whether we like it or not.


Regarding Fintan’s two op-ed pieces, I will only say that most of the conspiracy buffs believe the NWO is taking the US down a notch for reasons that have to do with their [Total Control, sadistic] agenda.



Without a doubt the elite in the US have crippled the [American Dream] and the middle class in America. My two “careers” I have seen and experienced it myself.

I came up in the UAW working for GM, and witnessed the destruction of the auto industry. We in the UAW around 1980 where actually predicting soon–to-be 30 hours work week for auto workers that would spread into the entire American workforce thereafter. Then Reagan came and started the destruction of the American union movement. Then the Japanese auto industry [probably with the complicity of the US Gov] started to waylay Detroit.

Then arose the IT industry that was, for a time, a lower middle class guys exit into the middle class, until they locked it up, and locked the American small guy out.

Now when a US person calls for support on a computer problem, whether it is for a HP pc, Dell pc or a software problem with Windows, you are talking to someone in India, the Philippines, or South America, or anywhere but the US.

Also China makes IBM pc's now.


The question is:
Are these phenomena by design as a deliberate screwing of the American lower and middle class workforce, for the good of the NWO agenda, or is this just the dynamics of worldwide economic forces?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ho, hum.
Fiddle de Dum.

"Change you can believe in."

Assuming you are mentally challenged or delusional:

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Timothy F. Geithner
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and
Associates
in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the
International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He
was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial
policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international
affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–
1998).

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–
2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.

In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a
Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.

At the International Monetary Fund he was director of the Policy
Development and Review Department (2001-2003).

In October 2003, he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank
of New York
. Once there, he became Vice Chairman of the Federal Open
Market Committee component of the Fed. In 2006, he also became a
member of the influential Washington-based financial advisory body, the
Group of Thirty.

In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.

On November 21, 2008, CNBC reported that President-elect
Barack Obama will nominate Geithner to be Treasury Secretary.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy Geithner is there for one reason:

To protect the interest of the elite and make absolutely sure that when Barack starts throwing a few crumbs off the table for the sheep to scuffle for, that the crumbs remain only crumbs.

This ex-Clinton administration lackey under Rubin is so embedded into thus crooked financial system, that it is impossible for him to change anything.

This selection as well as the selection of Hillary as Secretary of State is proof that Barack’s bullshit about CHANGE is pure bullshit.

Making the head of the New York Federal Reserve Bank the Secretary of the Treasury is actually a demotion for this guy. He as the Boss of the NY fed is in THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THIS FINANCIAL SYSTEM IN THE US.
This guy Geithner, as Boss of THE OPEN MARKET COMMITTEE literally is in charge of creating money.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomc.htm

Quote:
Federal Open Market Committee
About the FOMC | Meeting calendars, statements, and minutes | Transcripts and other historical materials

About the FOMC
The term "monetary policy" refers to the actions undertaken by a central bank, such as the Federal Reserve, to influence the availability and cost of money and credit to help promote national economic goals. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 gave the Federal Reserve responsibility for setting monetary policy.
The Federal Reserve controls the three tools of monetary policy--open market operations, the discount rate, and reserve requirements. The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is responsible for the discount rate and reserve requirements, and the Federal Open Market Committee is responsible for open market operations. Using the three tools, the Federal Reserve influences the demand for, and supply of, balances that depository institutions hold at Federal Reserve Banks and in this way alters the federal funds rate. The federal funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions lend balances at the Federal Reserve to other depository institutions overnight.
Changes in the federal funds rate trigger a chain of events that affect other short-term interest rates, foreign exchange rates, long-term interest rates, the amount of money and credit, and, ultimately, a range of economic variables, including employment, output, and prices of goods and services.
Structure of the FOMC
The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) consists of twelve members--the seven members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System; the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; and four of the remaining eleven Reserve Bank presidents, who serve one-year terms on a rotating basis. The rotating seats are filled from the following four groups of Banks, one Bank president from each group: Boston, Philadelphia, and Richmond; Cleveland and Chicago; Atlanta, St. Louis, and Dallas; and Minneapolis, Kansas City, and San Francisco. Nonvoting Reserve Bank presidents attend the meetings of the Committee, participate in the discussions, and contribute to the Committee's assessment of the economy and policy options.
The FOMC holds eight regularly scheduled meetings per year. At these meetings, the Committee reviews economic and financial conditions, determines the appropriate stance of monetary policy, and assesses the risks to its long-run goals of price stability and sustainable economic growth.
For more detail on the FOMC and monetary policy, see section 2 of the brochure on the structure of the Federal Reserve System and chapter 2 of Purposes & Functions of the Federal Reserve System.
2008 Members of the FOMC
• Members
o Ben S. Bernanke, Board of Governors, Chairman
o Timothy F. Geithner, New York, Vice Chairman
o Elizabeth A. Duke, Board of Governors
o Richard W. Fisher, Dallas
o Donald L. Kohn, Board of Governors
o Randall S. Kroszner, Board of Governors
o Sandra Pianalto, Cleveland
o Charles I. Plosser, Philadelphia
o Gary H. Stern, Minneapolis
o Kevin M. Warsh, Board of Governors
• Alternate Members
o Charles L. Evans, Chicago
o Jeffrey M. Lacker, Richmond
o Dennis P. Lockhart, Atlanta
o Janet L. Yellen, San Francisco
o Christine M. Cumming, First Vice President, New York
Federal Reserve Bank Rotation on the FOMC
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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zak247:
Total evil, maybe, but without a doubt, totally in control.
These people are essentially “god” to us, whether we like it or not.

Yes, 'God' to those who still defer to such qasi-parental "authority".
Dictators and controlling parents fail when the 'kids' eventually 'grow up'.

They have already flushed much of Obama's "Change" political capital.
And there wasn't much there to begin with.
I wrote before:

Quote:
All that hype. All those propaganda dollars.
All those new Dem voters signed up.
And that's the best they could do??

Not much depth to the political capital here.
The NWO is still operating on a narrow margin.

Quote:
The Missing Obama Landslide

November 12, 2008 - By Ben-Peter Terpstra

The results are in: Obama 52 percent. McCain 46 percent.

The "Obama Landslide" is pure fiction.....

In 1988, George H.W. Bush won 53.4%, against a feisty Democrat, and a
hostile media. Thus, this year's election is more of a symbolic made-for-
television election story
, than a mammoth landslide movie. Now it is time
for reality to kick in.....

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4784


So let's play "what if".

What if the deliberate economic tsumani hadn't been a factor in the vote?

The final result would not have been Obama 52%. McCain 46%.

Shave a modest 3% off the margin, for economic PsyWar effects,
and the final result would be: Obama 49%. McCain 49%.

Then consider that Obama outspent McCain hugely and had a
massive paid ground campaign, and full-press media backing, lots
of faked last-month polls, etc. etc.

And we see that the NWO are on pretty thin ice with Obama.

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zak247
The question is:
Are these phenomena by design as a deliberate screwing
of the American lower and middle class workforce, for the
good of the NWO agenda, or is this just the dynamics of
worldwide economic forces?

A bit of both, I think.

If globalization was preceeded by systemic reform of the fuked-up
con-sumer con-sumption, state control model of ecomomics that is in
place in the developed economies; and if the speed of globalization
was phased to avoid destroying wealth in developed economies,
then it could be acomplished to the benefit of all.

While preserving legitimate national self-determination.

Of course that's why they are not doing it that way.

Benefit for all is not the desired objective.

Their Blitzkreig tactics are designed to avoid the systemic reform
and morph their monopoly command economics on to the global
stage to the benefit of the NWO state-corporate elite.

While steamrolling the legitimate national self-determination
of all nations --including --indeed, especially-- the USA.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the economy won the race for the movie star Obama.

I also agree that the system needs systemic change, though I think that will not happen easily, because it has to come from struggle initiated by an outside force.

The real nature of the NWO is that it is the elite powers of the G8 adjusting to developing countries. The “NEW” in this world order, is the G8 getting a handle on the developing countries, and seeing how they [the G8/NWO] can help developing countries, misdevelop to their advantage.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Their Blitzkreig tactics are designed to avoid the systemic reform
and morph their monopoly command economics on to the global
stage to the benefit of the NWO state-corporate elite.

While steamrolling the legitimate national self-determination
of all nations --including --indeed, especially-- the USA.


And who better to morph the US etal into the NWO corporate controlled global cabal than a couple of angry black folk like Barry and Mickie Obama.

Having played the lead roles in Kansas My Obama Landslide Mama, as a progressive Black male and strong independent Black female, their next gig will be the stuttering Kingfish and angry Sapphire in Mofo U America: Land o' Crackernecks.

I can imagine the conversations those two have when they're alone.

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