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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIP to the deceased victims:


Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Rachel Davino, 29
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Ana Marquez-Greene, 6
Dawn Hochsprung, 47
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeline Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Nancy J Lanza
Jesse Lewis, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Anne Marie Murphy, 52
Emilie Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Lauren Rousseau, 30
Mary Sherlach, 56
Victoria Soto, 27
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6

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All the deceased children were six or seven years of age. So why did the President say they were between 5 and 10 years old in his news conference? You'd think he at least would have the correct scoop.....


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the same day... just heard about this now:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/15/okla-teen-arrested-in-school-shooting-plot/1771497/

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Oklahoma teen arrested in school shooting plot
5:27p.m. EST December 15, 2012
On Friday, the same day as the shooting massacre in Newton, police also arrested an 18-year-old high school student in Oklahoma for allegedly plotting an attack at a school.

Story Highlights
Police arrested Sammie Eaglebear Chavez early Friday morning
He allegedly plotted to lure students into the auditorium, chain the doors and shoot

BARTLESVILLE, Okla. (AP) Hours before a gunman opened fire at a Connecticut elementary school, police in Oklahoma arrested a teenager for allegedly plotting to attack his high school and trying to recruit classmates to help him.

Police in Bartlesville, a community about 40 miles north of Tulsa, arrested 18-year-old Sammie Eaglebear Chavez shortly before 5 a.m. Friday on charges of conspiring to cause serious bodily harm or death. He remained in Washington County Jail on Saturday on $1 million bond, and he is due in court Jan. 11.

Court documents didn't list an attorney for Chavez, and calls to a number listed in court documents as his reached a recorded message saying the line wasn't available.

Layne Jones, an assistant principal at the school, alerted police to the alleged plot on Thursday, according to a probable cause statement. A student told authorities that Chavez had tried to "recruit other students to assist him with carrying out a plan to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," police said.

"Sammie tried to recruit other students to assist him with carrying out a plan to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," Bartlesville Police Lt. Kevin Ickleberry wrote in the affidavit.

Chavez told the students he planned to place bombs at the doors that he'd detonate when police arrived, and he threatened to kill students who didn't want to join him, police wrote.

Investigators said Chavez told a teacher earlier this month that he had bought a .45-caliber gun and had been learning to shoot it. Also, the affidavit said Chavez had been trying to obtain a diagram of school facilities and had used a school computer to seek information on a .22-caliber rifle that could be mounted on a machine gun platform.

Students said they saw Chavez researching the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, in which 12 Colorado students and a teacher were murdered by two students who also died.

The district alerted parents and faculty by email around noon on Friday that it had investigated a "potential incident" Thursday and forwarded the information to the police department, which dealt with it appropriately. News was still trickling out about the attack in Newtown, Conn., in which a gunman forced his way into an elementary school and killed 20 children, all ages 6 or 7, and six adults before killing himself.

Superintendent Gary Quinn, in a news release, credited administrators' quick action in following up on what he said had been unsubstantiated rumor and presenting their findings to the authorities.

"We appreciate the excellent relationship we have with our local law enforcement and their swift response to the information we provided them. We will always put the safety of the students of the Bartlesville Public School District first and foremost."


Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


upon edit:
Oh great, will i get arrested to redistributing this trying to pass along news? How retarded is that?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: First things first... Reply with quote

A thought crossed my mind...


bri wrote:

Hard to believe that the NWO (yes EVEN them) would kill 5 year olds...
then I thought about OKC...


...and Iraq...and Afghanistan...and Pakistan...and Yemen.

Apologies to the brown kids.
We Amurikans are too hypocritical to care sometimes...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: First things first... Reply with quote

bri wrote:
This is way too fucking close to home.
I live about an hour to the north, and I know someone that knows Ryan...
Just a crazy last couple of days. I thought I was too desensitized but I have shed many tears over these tragic events.


Bri, I thought of you as soon as I saw this unfolding on the news, please give my condolences to anyone you know who has been impacted by this madness. Seems we are being attacked from all fronts lately ... mental, physical, emotional, just causing instability of all kinds. Shit there is even someone on this forum bullying and degrading folks cause they refuse to lock step with the pseudo intellectual drivel ... can be exhausting but hang in there everybody ... they will run out of ideas soon enough ... Wink

bri wrote:
Apologies to the brown kids.
We Amurikans are too hypocritical to care sometimes...


Normally I would completely agree with you but I think the idea is to make us all "brown kids". Good luck with that, fucking assholes!! Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
While my idea of sarcasm may not suit all tastes


That was just the result of me skimming your post instead
of reading it with a clear head. My mind was/is a bit off
since these events unfolded.

hawkwind wrote:


Bri, I thought of you as soon as I saw this unfolding on the news, please give my condolences to anyone you know who has been impacted by this madness ... they will run out of ideas soon enough ... Wink


The whole thing is just sickening. We had a little nighttime
parade/carol singing/cash&teddy bear drive for the kids
of Sandy Hook here in town. I will post on the forum
if I find any charities once that works itself out.

Good start here: http://www.indiegogo.com/SandyHookDonation/

Just sick to death of this shit, I need to erase it from my mind.
Staying away from news media has been helping, I've got
some pressing matters to attend to. Wink
I refuse to greet the next
few days with fear or sorrow!

I guess it just really drove the nail in.
I shouldn't bitch, as I didn't lose a parent,
a loved one, or ffs a little kid, they were just
babies. Just getting sick to death of this insanity...
I was less than 11 miles away from this one when
it happened, I am surprised that it didn't get a lot
of national coverage as far as I know...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting

Oh and my ex-gf who I am still in contact with (still friends,
not sure how the fuck that happened Laughing) works in that mall
in Portland...scheduled to work that day and sent home early
due to over-staffing.

It gets worse...

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Westboro Church plans to picket at Sandy Hook Elementary School

http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-church-plans-to-picket-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school-praising-god



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a few faces. Sad


starviego wrote:
RIP to the deceased victims:

Olivia Engel, 6


Ana Marquez-Greene, 6

Dylan Hockley, 6

Grace McDonnell, 7

Emilie Parker, 6

Noah Pozner, 6

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


October 1, 1938

'The welcome at Munich was fantastic
and the Fuhrer was very pleasant.'

'Hitler is an old sentimentalist at heart.'

'When he saw me he had tears in his eyes.'

--Benito Mussolini

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Red:
i wanna know how anyone with that much gear would not look suspicious
upon entering the building....

The theory is that he was familiar to those at the school.
But as you say - so they let him in the school dressed like that?!

Quote:
duaneh:
.....of course, a rush to gun control....

And who better that Obama to run with that ball....

As posted on BFN previously:

Quote:
So there's Obama's real stand on the guns issue, before the airbrushing.
Obama's......long association with the Joyce Foundation.
He was a board member in the late nineties and was even a shoo-in
to be CEO for the Foundation
before deciding for politics instead.

Here's the skinny on the Joyce Foundation:

Quote:
Since 2003, the Joyce Foundation has paid [b]grants totaling over $12 million
to gun control organizations. The largest single grantee has been the
Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970 between 1996 and
2006, and calls for an outright ban on handguns, semi-automatic and
other firearms, and substantial restrictions on gun owners.

Gun rights groups including the National Rifle Association call the Joyce
Foundation an activist foundation whose "shadowy web of huge donations"
leads "straight to puppet strings that control the agenda of gun ban
groups"
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation


Joyce Foundation execs have donated around $10,000 to Obama in 2008, by the way.

This chart explains how Joyce Foundation's tentacles of gun control are
found all over academia, police, civil groups, activists and local groups:

Quote:


For us independent thinkers, when we consider again Obama's high-level
participation in the Joyce Foundation, it sheds light on ithe quality of
his NWO credentials.

I wonder if they will ever hit Obama with the Joyce Foundation issue?

Not very likely, I don't think.
Too close to core agenda material. Laughing

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43362#43362

From a conspiracy point of view there's a lot of things not to like about this
horrific slaughter. The first of them is the timing - this early in Obama's second
term-- thus potentially setting a second-term agenda.

Quote:
duane:
what about violent computer games

Yeah - what about them? And what about shoot 'em up movies?

Silence.

The prefered response is mandatory pharma drug medication.
Dr. Gupta on CNN talks "chemical imbalance" Whou'da thunk?

Quote:
Rumpl:
One advantage of all the "incorrect" details, is that any REAL details of
significance
that surfaced early can be thrown on that pile of "irrelevant
garbage."

And boy did we drown in a sea of red herring leads here.
Which is the second thing not to like - from a conspiracy viewpoint.

Quote:
Bri:
one argument I have against that is that Ryan Lanza is still alive.

Good point. But the family could be a fully nieve, innocent selected patsy.

Quote:
starviego:
So now they have TWO rifles discoverd at the scene!!!

Which is definitely the third thing not to like from a conspiracy viewpoint.
So, along with the registered weapons tied to the shooter are reportedly
an unspecified number of additional weapons to which the alleged
shooter "had access."?!

Quote:


RedMahna:

On the same day... just heard about this now:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/15/okla-teen-arrested-in-school-shooting-plot/1771497/
Oklahoma teen arrested in school shooting plot

Check out the extensive news media coverage that got. .NOT.
But hey, the Bartlesville Radio News page covered it!
And the Bartlesville Examiner-Enterprise covered it too!

Yo, CNN.... ABC... ? Figured 'you'd be all over this....?
No? Curious(er and curiouser).

Quote:
Hawkwind:
I think the idea is to make us all "brown kids".

Yep. Welcome to the third world, niggaz. Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two law enforcement sources said the hard drive had been removed from
Lanza's computer and broken in pieces
. They said that forensic electronics
experts at the FBI will examine the drive in an effort to determine with whom
Lanza corresponded electronically and how he otherwise used the device.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-timeline-newtown-shooting-1216-20121215,0,7789468,full.story

More not to like.

And predictably.....

Quote:
'Stand up and lead': Obama told to act on gun control

Bloomberg leads calls for action as California senator
vows to introduce bill banning assault weapons

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stand-up-and-lead-obama-told-to-act-on-gun-control-8421047.html

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:

The theory is that he was familiar to those at the school.
But as you say - so they let him in the school dressed like that?!

As it stands, it is alleged that he forced his way into the building,
either by breaking a window or shooting out the glass on a door so he could unlock it. Details are sketchy
in the mountain of conflicting information.
"The official, official story",
wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting


Fintan wrote:
Quote:
Bri:
one argument I have against that is that Ryan Lanza is still alive.

Good point. But the family could be a fully nieve, innocent selected patsy.

Point taken. One thing I find strange is the fact
that Ryan Lanza's I.D. was on Adam Lanza's body.
Another sketchy detail amongst many. Yet...Ryan
says he hadn't seen his brother since 2010. It sent
investigators all the way to NJ to find an alive,
flabbergasted Ryan Lanza. As disgusting as it sounds
...it would buy any potential black-ops evidence planter
quite a bit of time. (Depending on what time the mother's
body was found, how long the house was left unexplored
by official, run-of-the-mill investigators.)

How's this for selected patsy?


Quote:

Forty miles away from Newtown, in the well-heeled Connecticut city of Stamford, Lanza's father Peter who was divorced from the boys' mother Nancy was returning home on Friday afternoon. A highly-qualified academic who a year ago was appointed vice president of taxes for energy investment firm GE Energy Financial Services, Mr Lanza wound down the window on his blue Mini Cooper and asked the person outside his home how he could help her.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9747682/Connecticut-school-shooting-troubled-life-of-Adam-Lanza-a-fiercely-intelligent-killer.html


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on another forum I asked a poster, who was insisting on making assault rifles illegal, how she intended to enforce the law?
stopping legal sales and manufacture is "closing the barn door after the horse has run away"
so does she expect everybody to just turn them in?
or have Homeland Security go house to house, search and confiscate them?


all we need is a "war on guns"
since many have the guns to protect against the government
that would certainly start a civil war.

"why do you need assault weapons?"
"because the government has assault weapons"

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in an interview earlier today, i believe on CNN, one of the parents was saying how the door bell ringing at their house made her child upset (well, yeah, PTSD i can understand).

so then did Lanza ring the bell to get in the school building, get buzzed in, or break in, or a combination of these?

oh i know, i'm getting too picky, right?

duaneh - well, i suppose assualt rifles might be useful against a govt that doesn't have drones, fighter planes, and missiles, but regardless... it might be useful against the radicals in their war on white people. sorry if that sounded racist of me to accuse the new mentality out there in their quest to seek revenge. after all, someone did use that word in their
campaign speech and it's been downhill since.

the fairness crowd are coming hot and heavy. sounds like a backlash to "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

nah, i'm being paranoid... they wouldn't do that, those peacenicks.

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