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skinters



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been watching your videos fintan and some good stuff in there.

I understand the idea that for animal diseases to cross over to Humans it has to be virulent in the animal population/host but they have not found it.

Now I'm not saying one should be considered more than the others, but I couldn't help notice that you said they could not find any carriers of the virus in animals?.

We have to consider china has the country on lock down so nobody has access to say wuhan for example to look for possible connections between animals and the transmission to Humans.

So yeah was hoping you could clarify what you meant by they will never find the virus in animals and never will as to me we don't have access there and the Chinese can say what they want. It could even be in their best interest to say they have found the source from animals to take the heat away from the idea that it was released by them by accident or otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skinters, I get what you are saying. We have the proof in the scientific papers (peer reviewed) to prove that Fintan is correct. I hope he addresses the chain of events, if not I will give it a try.

- Hawk

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 am    Post subject: My Thoughts Reply with quote

Hi All,

I've been sharing as much information on social media as I can and yes, the truth is beautiful!

I have some thoughts that I can only express here I think. With all this madness going on, to paraphrase the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, we all must face the teeth of the crocodile one day, he tells you that this is where it ends and his teeth still stink of rotting flesh. He is a liar.

If we see the truth as its starting to be revealed, we have won a small battle with the Demiurge. The rest will remain living under the techno-psychotic cloud, not part of our birthright. Oscar Wilde once said “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” I'm leaving today to go to the mountains for a while, when I look up ... I will see the universe as it really is ... INFINITY and that is part of our birthright!

Much Love To All.

- Hawk

PS I'll be back soon! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: My Thoughts Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:


PS I'll be back soon! Wink


Good move Hawk.

I lived in the mountains of the northwest for a solid 5-6 years.

Now back in the eastern suburbs, but beats the city for now I suppose.

I've been able to keep the lockdown boredom at bay, perhaps from all that time under the stars.

You will love it. Enjoy.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...things are fraying...

Bigger names


and tighter comedy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sahrri Markson, down in Australia --who brought us
the skeptical views of Nicolai Petrovsky-- is back with more
questioning science which confirms a laboratory origin:


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Scientists say COVID-19 may have been cooked up in lab

Exclusive, Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph

June 1, 2020 12:58pm

A growing number of scientists say it is possible COVID-19 was created in a laboratory.

Leading immunologists and geneticists have told The Daily Telegraph there are two unusual aspects of COVID-19 that raise the possibility it was man-made rather than a naturally-occurring virus.


The first is that the virus binds to human ACE2 receptor cells more strongly than it does to any other animal, including bats.

The second is that it has a “furin cleavage site” that its closest genetic bat-coronavirus relative, RaTG-13, does not have.

This site makes it significantly more infectious.

A growing number of scientists say it is possible COVID-19 was created in a laboratory.

Israeli geneticist, Dr Ronen Shemesh, who is working on treatment for COVID-19, said in his opinion the virus was more likely created in a laboratory than evolved naturally in nature.

“There are many reasons to believe that the COVID-19 generating SARS-CoV-2 was generated in a lab. Most probably by methods of genetic engineering,” he said.

“I believe that this is the only way an insertion like the FURIN protease cleavage site could have been introduced directly at the right place and become effective.”

Dr Shemesh points to the insertion of a Furin site as the most unusual aspect of COVID-19.

“I believe that the most important issue about the differences between ALL coronavirus types is the insertion of a Fufin protease cleavage site at the Spike protein of SARS-CoV-2,” he said.

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“Such an insertion is very rare in evolution, the addition of such 4 Amino acids alone in the course of only 20 years is very unlikely.”

Dr Shemesh, who has a PhD in Genetics and Molecular Biology from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and over 21 years of experience in the field of drug discovery and development, said it is even “more unlikely” that this insertion happened in exactly the right place of the cleavage site of the spike protein - which is where it would need to occur to make the virus more infectious.

“What makes it even more suspicious is that fact that this insertion not only occurred on the right place and in the right time, but also turned the cleavage site from an Serine protease cleavage site to a FURIN cleavage site,” he said.

“This protein cleaving protein is highly promiscuous, it’s found in many human tissues and cell types and is involved in many OTHER virus types activation and infection mechanisms (it is involved in HIV, Herpes, Ebola and Dengue virus mechanisms).

“If I was trying to engineer a virus strain with a higher affinity and infective potential to humans, I would do exactly that: I would add a Furin Cleavage site directly at the original less effective and more cell specific cleavage site.”


La Trobe University Chemistry and Physics Professor David Winkler says there are several possibilities for the source of COVID-19 and you cannot rule out the laboratory as one option.

“On the basis of the calculations we’ve done, you can’t exclude that it’s been processed through human cells in a biosecurity lab - but it’s certainly not the only explanation,” he said.


Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky says COVID-19 is “exquisitely adapted to infect humans”.

“We really don’t know where this virus came from - that’s the truth. The two possibilities is that it was a chance transmission of a virus...the other possibility is that it was an accidental release of the virus from a laboratory,” he said.

“One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19. The same process can happen in a petri-dish.

“In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.

“I’m certainly very much in favour of a scientific investigation. Its only objective should be to get to the bottom of how did this pandemic happen and how do we prevent a future pandemic.”


Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and University of British Columbia biologist, Alina Chan, said there was little evidence to definitively say where COVID-19 originated.

Dr Chan said there is no current evidence to show that the coronavirus originated in the Wuhan wet market.

“If intermediate animal hosts were present at the market, no evidence remains in the genetic samples available,” she said.

Leading geneticists have told The Daily Telegraph there are two unusual aspects of COVID-19 that raise the possibility it was man-made rather than a naturally-occurring virus.

“There is no publicly available genetic evidence of cross-species transmission at the Huanan seafood market. But at the same time we cannot rule out the Huanan seafood market because we have not been able to analyse other data, eg, animal samples, from the market.”

She said human adaptation in nature and in a laboratory is possible.
“Did SARS-CoV-2 transmit across species into humans and circulate undetected for months prior to late 2019 while accumulating adaptive mutations?” she said.

“Or was SARS-CoV-2 already well adapted for humans while in bats or an intermediate species?

“More importantly, does this pool of human-adapted progenitor viruses still exist in animal populations? Even the possibility that a non-genetically-engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered, regardless of how likely or unlikely.”

https://archive.is/Uk9lg#selection-3187.0-3613.295

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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like the 'comedy' video above has been removed by yahoo.

Hope someone can figure out how to get it back up.

Wonder if the satanists are getting a bit anxious, what with all this censorship...........
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
skinters:
was hoping you could clarify what you meant
by they will never find the virus in animals...


Ok the reason has little to do with how hard anyone is looking.
It's because the existing science says that the virus should be
an adequate fit on both human receptor and the cell receptor
in whatever animal host from which it emerged.

But the Covid-19 models as a terrific fit on the human receptor
but a very poor model fit on any other animal receptors.

So it could not have evolved in an animal
and then made the jump to a human host.

Covid-19 is like an expensive, personally tailored suit.

They don't come off the 'fits all' rack at the discount store. Wink


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Hawkwind:
I'm leaving today to go to the mountains for a while, when I look up ...
I will see the universe as it really is ... INFINITY and that is part of
our birthright!


To INFINITY - and Beyond!

Picked a good time to go to the mountains.

You'll know it's ok to come back when the
smoky clouds over the cities begin to clear. Laughing

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Bri:
I lived in the mountains of the northwest for a solid 5-6 years.


There ya go Hawk - 5 years or so, the shooting should be over! Wink

Ironically the instant Collapse of the Covid Hysteria in the wake of a
hot political issue was both inevitable and welcome. That shows
lockdown is not a revolution-stopper.

Covid Hysteria also imploded because the media saw the Covid
hobby horse fade and jumped on a story they could use to try to
get rid of the Orange Man by firing up the Dem base on civil rights.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On that note:



Bye bye Rona
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we have the reason why Sweden had no lockdown!

https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/government-debt-to-gdp
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skinters



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Quote:
skinters:
was hoping you could clarify what you meant
by they will never find the virus in animals...


Ok the reason has little to do with how hard anyone is looking.
It's because the existing science says that the virus should be
an adequate fit on both human receptor and the cell receptor
in whatever animal host from which it emerged.

But the Covid-19 models as a terrific fit on the human receptor
but a very poor model fit on any other animal receptors.

So it could not have evolved in an animal
and then made the jump to a human host.

Covid-19 is like an expensive, personally tailored suit.

They don't come off the 'fits all' rack at the discount store. Wink




Yup ill go along with that.

Enjoy the YT vids, keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw that and it's intriguing.

Makes you wonder if there were selective strain releases.


Quote:
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says
MAY 31, 2020 / 7:44 PM / 2 DAYS AGO

ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.

Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

“We’ve got to get back to being a normal country,” he said. “Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country.”

The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

“Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians,” Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.

“We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks.”

A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken.

“The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today,” said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

“It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different.”

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