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hawkwind



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Interesting Thread Reply with quote

So, what have we learned so far ...

1) Some of us live in the moment.
2) Some of us have constructed a box.
3) Some of us have dug a hole in the ground.
4) Some of us have ordered flowers.
5) Some of us have scrawled on a marble stone.
6-infinity) We're all waiting for Prophecy(7) to shovel on the dirt.

Boy Scout motto ... "Be prepared".

I get it ... life is about mind/logic prisons ... cool! I'll take mine with a cold beer and a hot blonde please .... Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoa, this is getting hotter by the post, but...

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the natural passions of humanity are now being allowed to go unrestrained as the intercessing presence of God within each soul is being removed

...i'm sorry but this is nothing more than double speak, who are you to judge any man, woman or child ? are you god ?

those who march in the name of a god need to look up at their banner and see whose mark it truly bears

there is no line in the sand beside which on one side stand only godless sinners and on the other sin free believers
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
i'm sorry but this is nothing more than double speak, who are you to judge any man, woman or child ?


According to Wikipedia, doublespeak is language deliberately constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning. I'm not doing that, and I'm not judging anyone. I'm simply bearing witness to the present workings of Divine Providence. The presence of God needs to be removed from everyone to determine who has yielded to the truths that reproduce the character of God in every soul. People have been bearing witness to the approaching of this time for generations. That's the whole reason the United States was allowed to come into existence as an independent nation in the first place, to provide a land (of a government without a king, and a church without a pope) where people could have the protection of freedom of conscience necessary in order to have such an experience. It is due to the rejection of this truth, in exchange of its collective self-interests, that the US has digressed into the worst regime of international oppression in history.

matt wrote:
are you god ?


Time will tell.

matt wrote:
there is no line in the sand beside which on one side stand only godless sinners and on the other sin free believers


If Jesus never existed, as the audio presentation introduced in this thread suggests, then what is the definition of sin, or sinner?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay Aniam, but i maintain that the effect is the same as double speak, forcefully asserting a self evident falsehood...in my opinion

suggesting that lack of religion is engendering sin simply doesn't tally with the facts on earth as i see them

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are you god ? Aniam: Time will tell

..ha ha good one, i was believing in your true faith, up until those words

the act of sin is a human invention, not without its usefulness as a defining term in the context of religious debate, but often misused as an abuse of the sinner to drive them to the sole source of redemption from the particular brand of redeemer...true redemption comes from facing your own sin and dealing with your actions, not in the forgiveness of some external force
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Give Up Now Reply with quote

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Chapter 16

{Kappa-Epsilon-Alpha-Lambda-Eta Iota-Sigma}

THE STAG-BEETLE

Death implies change and individuality if thou be THAT which hath no person,
which is beyond the changing, even beyond changelessness,
what hast thou to do with death?
The bird of individuality is ecstasy; so also is its death.
In love the individuality is slain; who loves not love?
Love death therefore, and long eagerly for it.
Die Daily.

THE BOOK OF LIES, Aliester Crowley


Enter the images of men in white robes, drinking fake blood from symbolic gold chalices and leaping into oblivion ...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
suggesting that lack of religion is engendering sin simply doesn't tally with the facts on earth as i see them


I never made such a suggestion for the simple fact that modern religion is engendering more "sin" than any other institution on the face of the earth today.

matt wrote:
..ha ha good one, i was believing in your true faith, up until those words


The only true faith is the one that restores the soul back into the image of God. At that point, it is not blasphemy to identify with Him in the manner stated, for the two become one.

matt wrote:
the act of sin is a human invention...true redemption comes from facing your own sin and dealing with your actions, not in the forgiveness of some external force


If sin is merely a human invention, implying that it has no basis in reality, then why do you need redemption from it in the first place?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aniam, i might have been reading you wrong, it's difficult to put some of your words into context without knowing what your faith entails

...so you see your faith as without an external religion ?...i think that's what you're saying

most externally expressed things of human invention have basis in reality, surely you've used a door recently, which was, for all intents and purposes 'real', as might be acts, i might cut down a tree to make a door, the act of cutting it down remains real, and it is a human invention...well, aside from the beavers
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt wrote:
...so you see your faith as without an external religion ?...i think that's what you're saying


Correct. External religion is naturally attractive to people that have rejected the true faith. That's why they stay in business regardless of how many wars they start, lies they tell, money they steal, or kids they rape. The only way to end such atrocity is to allow people to reap what they have sown. And that is what this generation is now entering into, the harvest.

matt wrote:
most externally expressed things of human invention have basis in reality, surely you've used a door recently, which was, for all intents and purposes 'real', as might be acts, i might cut down a tree to make a door, the act of cutting it down remains real, and it is a human invention.


Ok. So within the context of your analogy: what is the tree that humans cut down to produce the door that they call sin? That is, if sin is merely a human invention.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aniam wrote:
Correct. External religion is naturally attractive to people that have rejected the true faith. That's why they stay in business regardless of how many wars they start, lies they tell, money they steal, or kids they rape. The only way to end such atrocity is to allow people to reap what they have sown. And that is what this generation is now entering into, the harvest.

And what of those of this generation, in this country, who fight, work and protest against the ruling class's 'sin'? Are they to be no more than collateral damage? Or is there some kind of reverse rapture that's going to happen one day?

On the surface, what you're describing seems to me to be somewhat Buddhist in nature, unless it's unfair to assign any defined religion to your approach. I can't quite read betwixt the banter and somewhat biblical phrasing.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:36 am    Post subject: The New Order Makes Breakfast Reply with quote

The New Order Makes Breakfast

The National Prayer Breakfast, immediate predecessor of
Youth With A Mission within the Buchman initiative, had its
origin in the same Manhattan building, Calvary Church, where
Frank Buchman gave his notorious 1936 newspaper interview.

That Episcopal church was the American headquarters for
Buchman's "Oxford Group" as it was then known, and the Calvary
rector, Rev. Sam Shoemaker, was the national spokesman for Buchman.

When Buchman was hit with increasing criticism for his
praise of fascism as God's instrument, he changed the name of the
movement to Moral Rearmament, and his nervous American
representatives rushed to get a Buchmanite para-church agency
attached to the government in Washington.

The principal agents in this venture[3] were:
Longtime Buchman spokesman {{Rev. Sam Shoemaker}};
{{Mrs. Marian Johnson}}, a high-society American and
fanatical Anglophile, intimate on a family basis with the British
Ambassador to Washington (1938-40), Lord Lothian, head of the
financiers' "Round Table" faction promoting Hitler; Mrs. Johnson
oversaw much of the fundraising for the Buchman movement;
{{Abraham Vereide}}, a Norwegian immigrant and Buchman
apostle specializing in capturing the minds of the wealthy and
the powerful. He claimed to have converted the former Nazi SS
officer, Netherlands' Prince Bernhard, to Christ, and he and
Frank Buchman together secured official Dutch Royal Family
sponsorship for the Prayer Breakfast movement;
{{Col. Sir Vivian Gabriel}}, a British intelligence officer
serving as Air Attache with the British Embassy, who opened doors
for Vereide and the others inside Washington;
{{H. Alexander Smith}}, the main American lieutenant of
Frank Buchman, and father-in-law of Reverend Shoemaker. Smith
later represented New Jersey in the U.S. Senate, and cemented the
Prayer Breakfast, under covert "Fellowship" leadership, into
place as a private institution in the U.S. Congress.

On June 2, 1941, a year after the Nazi conquest of France,
Smith drafted for the Foreign Policy Association
a proposal that Hitler should be allowed to rule over and reform Europe
--the so-called New Order--
while the United States and Britain should jointly rule the rest of the world.


Behind the ABC 9/11 Docudrama


THE AXIS OF YWAM


by Anton Chaitkin

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent stuff, love the articles on jesusneverexisted.com. As Fintan
touched on in the audio, science has been hijacked. I want to bring up
science in relation to religion to the discussions here. Just to sketch out
some of the dangerous aspects as I see them.

Although I agree that modern science has given us an amazing amount of
technological advances in a relatively short amount of time and given each
of us more freedom to live comfortably and more intelligently
(i.e.Internet), I feel that modern science does not work for our interests.

Just like religion there are beliefs that are so pervasive, that the believer
doesn't even know that they are holding a belief. To them, its a self-
evident truth and because everyone else says so, makes it even more
concrete.

The most disturbing aspects of modern science however, reveal to us that
a more sinister use has been consistently favored by the elite. Today
Modern science is being used by the elite much like the weapon of religion
was used back then.

Just as the psychological techniques used by the christian church allowed
the inquisition to murder millions in the guise of 'saving' the souls of
heretics, the scientist of today can be comforted in feeling that their work
on a particular project is in the name of humanity. A majority of
scientists have genuinely benign desires, (so did the inquisitors). However,
modern science that holds any major political or financial implications has
been sufficiently hijacked. Scientists working for powerful big business
(pharmaceuticals)or designing weapons for the purpose of the murdering of
countless men, women and children. All in the name of keeping the elite in
power, and all nicely comforted with a "working towards a higher goal"
mentality.

Similarities between the 'Old World Order' and this scientifically superior
new World Order' can be identified on many levels. Here's a few ...

To practice or to teach the sciences, you must spend a large portion of
your youth being indoctrinated into the teaching, you will have to narrow
your field of expertise and concentrate on mastering that particular
aspect. Highly specialized subjects which the majority can't understand.
Complicated esoteric systems are regularly conjured up to reveal and re-
affirm the laws and principles which agree with the scientific creed of the
day.

Any disputes with a professor about the current 'doctrine' is met with
numerous recitations of the laws and theorems that govern the universe as
discovered by (saint) so and so. The average person is helpless at this
point, he does not have the necessary training to debate the professor, so
the priest 'professes' the official doctrine and so, the Faith is upheld.

Modern Science uses counterintuitive logic and uses a complicated system
of practice to mask any logical errors. Theories such as; Evolutions
survival of the fittest', 'Eugenics', the 'Big bang' and 'Black holes' hide a
sinister psychological device designed to make humanity feel less than what
it is. As well as 'Global warming', 'Bird flu', 'Earth-shattering meteors',
being just some of modern sciences best known 'end-times' prophecies.

Modern medicine, holding up the Holy red cross to battle the ever more
cunning and demonic Virus. There's an agenda of fear involved in selling
diseases to people, informing people about the published scientific results
and about the true causes of diseases would be financial suicide. The whole
AIDS-op is just another fine example of corrupt science at its most
devastating. All relying heavily on emotional reactions.

When it comes to the average individual of today we see that science has
not had a positive affect. Even from a purely psychological perspective,
science teaches us from a very early age that when you die "that's it",
that your very being on this planet is purely incidentally insignificant and
that humanity itself is not much different than a tribe of monkeys. Racism
superiority, dog eat dog values, Its no wonder humanity is so fucked up,
Science (on behalf of the elite) continually tells him he is so.

Simply put, the job of exploring the questions of existence was what the
sciences of the ancient world got on with, the high science of today is
sold out to a powerful..Business. A business that keeps its position by
keeping the rest of humanity crawling around on its knees.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
And what of those of this generation, in this country, who fight, work and protest against the ruling class's 'sin'? Are they to be no more than collateral damage?


The only reason people live in subjection to a ruling class is because they want to. If they were truly in opposition to the sins of their society, they would not participate in the things that sustain their society (voting, paying taxes, etc.). However, when a soul counts the costs of possibly going to jail, losing their job, bed buddies, and other selfish delights, over following their conscience, then the sins of their rulers suddenly don't appear that bad. "There's no need to get fanatical," a soul may reason. They hardly know it, but they have received the mark of the beast in their hand because they have chosen to produce for the beast instead of following their conscience. They may not be consciously aware of it, but the universe is not fooled.

Because of that, there is no such thing as collateral damage. There is also no such thing as a victim. And, there are no terrorists. There are only causes and effects. If the divine mind that sustains all of the mechanizations of the universe arbitrarily deviated from this basic principle only 1 time, it would start a chain reaction that would destroy all of creation.

Rumpl4skn wrote:
Or is there some kind of reverse rapture that's going to happen one day?


There isn't going to be a reverse rapture because the rapture itself is bogus. I touched on that earlier in this thread. Everyone is staying right here to reap what they have sown.

Rumpl4skn wrote:
On the surface, what you're describing seems to me to be somewhat Buddhist in nature, unless it's unfair to assign any defined religion to your approach. I can't quite read betwixt the banter and somewhat biblical phrasing.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the nature of Buddhism is that the door to immortality, enlightenment, eternal life, etc. is through knowledge. If that is the case, I must say that that isn't what I'm about. Personally, I have needed more than all the right answers in order to have a spirit that is in harmony with the truth.

As far as assigning a religion to my approach. The word religion derives from the compound Latin word re-ligo. The prefix re means to do again, and the word ligo means to bind. The English word ligament (the tissues that bind muscles to bones) derives from ligo. So the word religion literally means to bind again. With this said, the true religion returns to the soul the authority to bind all the adversarial forces that work to misdirect the soul away from the truth, and the voice of conscience. Therefore I have no objection with my approach being labled as religious.

just0 wrote:
Although I agree that modern science has given us an amazing amount of technological advances in a relatively short amount of time and given each of us more freedom to live comfortably and more intelligently (i.e.Internet), I feel that modern science does not work for our interests.

Just like religion there are beliefs that are so pervasive, that the believer
doesn't even know that they are holding a belief. To them, its a self-
evident truth and because everyone else says so, makes it even more
concrete.


Yes. True science and true religion are like a hand in glove. They are both revelations of the divine mind, and were meant to serve, direct, and restore humanity back into the image of God. Those who have misrepresented both of these fields have a lot of blood on their hands.
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