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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the follow up Fintan. Great stuff from Carl and Ian. Ties in beautifully with your work on Treeincarnation.

And thank you, Drew!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Another entertaining audio there Fintan and Kathy.

You touched on the subject of intuition and I would have to concur that that is where we are heading. The discussion about the flow of the intention is interesting and coincides with something I've been taught about Command vs Control. One would like to be in Command but not in Control. So Command would coincide with the choices we have before us and then once made, allow creation to manifest in which ever way it chooses (based on our beliefs), without controlling and dictating a particular outcome.

Now Fintan, you did make me Laughing though with some of your comments:

“…something occurred to me Carl as you were speaking and as I was asking those questions. That it would be very easy to characterise this the wrong way. We are not talking as if Carl Calleman is in touch with entities on the other side, or astrological law which is informing his analysis of 5th day and 5th night. I emphasise that for people, it’s by looking at what happened during 5th day and 5th night period say at the 6th level where we had the development of culture and art…..”

“…once one talks about predictive things..I’m just emphasising that this is not that kind of um..er..circus fairground prediction it’s just simply looking at what happened before….”

It seems to me you are scared shitless about going anywhere near this topic of disincarnate souls and whether they can speak to us. Shit no. What would people think.

You could hear them now "Fintan Dunne is another David Icke. Whaaat a loooooseeer. Nay Nay Nay!!!"

Why didn't you just say so in your email to me, that you just thought it was bs, rather than hide behind your juggling ability.:roll:

By the way, to all you fellow skeptics out there I learnt about Command vs Control via a channelled source so don't listen to it. It's all bs. It's all bs. Unless you can prove it using 'scientific methods', it's all bs. Isn't that right. Question

P.S. I still luvs ya Fintan, even with your, not quite open enough, mind. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me you are scared shitless about going anywhere near this topic of disincarnate souls and whether they can speak to us. Shit no. What would people think.

You could hear them now "Fintan Dunne is another David Icke. Whaaat a loooooseeer. Nay Nay Nay!!!"

I think there is a very difficult balance to be struck with these issues. People like me who are totally new to it all can be easily put off. I came to this website for the political analysis, and I'm just beginning to dip a toe into all the other material here at BFN. I've listened to this Audio and simply cannot comment because, as I say, I haven't been involved in this world before now.

Coming hot on the heels of the Alex Jones/Temple of Doom Audio and the heavy political analysis in the 9/11 3i Audios, I couldn't get my head around this Audio at all. And when it is centre stage on the Home Page for a week, it worries me that people coming here for the first time for the 9/11 political analysis say, turn around and leave because of this other material.

Don't get me wrong, I like the range and depth of exploration on this website. I'm just saying, Fintan and Kathy have quite a balancing act to perform here, and I don't know that there are any easy answers as to how to achieve that.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong, I like the range and depth of exploration on this website. I'm just saying, Fintan and Kathy have quite a balancing act to perform here, and I don't know that there are any easy answers as to how to achieve that.

I feel that the implied requirement for specialization is a bad part of any balancing act. And why define, or structure in a balance? As a community, most B4N discussions are very wide ranging and open and I like that a lot. Its important that its diverse as that is the added value in the knowledge.

As someone who craves any and all information I find great value here. As someone who values critical thought, I find the open minded discussions here challenging and fun too. Since I form my own opinions and decide what is important or relevant to life on this planet, I'm not the structured or defined balanced delivery type. Thats me... but specialists are cool too, long as the mind is open and sharing knowledge.

I like the Mayan stuff... maybe some value there, maybe not, we'll see as we grow... no worries, no hurries, no balancing acts required. Just have fun with it and use it if its valuable.

Glad you're all here!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: The Maya, Ethics & 9/11 Truth Reply with quote

Audio: The Maya, Ethics & 9/11 Truth

The ancient Mayan calendar is an analytical system
with extraordinary capability to describe the past and chart the future.

The calendar indicates the triumph of Ethics over Power in the years ahead,
with stunning implications for the 9/11 issue. We show how this ancient
system implies a great victory now awaits the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Fintan Dunne examines the promise of the Mayan calendar analysis.

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Graphic Illustrations mentioned in this audio:

Figure 1

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Day One: is a period of “Light”. It is the inception, a planting of seed, a new beginning or impetus to change or flow in a new direction. Night One: is a period of “Night” or the opportunity to apply the enlightenment. Germination of the seed planted in the dark soil or the developments of new points of view.

Day Two: Duality is put on display. In nature, a seed sprouts up out of the ground and displays two leaves. In human history, this has always been a time of civil turmoil. Night Two: polarized factions come to blows over their differences. Indeed these periods in human history are peaks of violence.

Day Three: In nature this is the development of a root system and the second set of leaves. In human history during this section lies or failed systems are disclosed so that progress is not blocked. Night Three: The seedling leaves are dropped as another set of leaves spring from the top. In human history failed systems have been jettisoned, usually by force, during this section.

Day Four: The tap root grows deep to firmly attach the plant while the stock thickens and branches form. In human history the “New” point of view and way of doing things takes dominance. For instance the empire of Greece was built during this section. Night Four: The application of new procedures. In human history it has usually been a period of rebuilding and a time of healing.

Day Five: The brightest period of “light in the entire cycle. In a plants life this is when new chemicals are produced that carry the message to form buds. In human history, it was this section when Art was invented, the message of Jesus moved over the earth. Einstein discovered the theory of relativity and America with the victory of WWI rose to world power. Night Five: The darkest period of each cycle. The growth of the bud. Puberty. In human history great physical hardship or major conflicts. The Illonian Ice Age, Neanderthals going extinct, Rome falling and WWII are glaring examples.

Day Six: A period of “Enlightenment.” This is the time of flowers for the plant. For you it was adolescence. In human history this was the creation of 1st tools, the 1st attempts at agriculture and constructed shelter, the renaissance and most recently, the flower children movement of the sixties. Night Six: one last period of “Dark” in the cycle. In the plant’s life the flowers wilt prior to fruit development. This is what happened to the Maya civilization right on queue. Throughout human history there have been conflicts and revolts during this period, most recent of these having been the Viet Nam war.

Day Seven: a period of “Light” once again, a time of readiness for something new and different. A time of ascension, going from one level to the next higher level. The plant spreads the seeds or drops the fruit to begin again a thousand times over. In human history consciousness developed Homo Sapiens, agriculture and domesticated herds, and put up the Internet creating a planetary consciousness in 1992.

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The Mayan Calendar

Maya Civilization

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: x Reply with quote

skeptics. maybe that's not always the point in this. these ideas are like...a sop, if anything. but maybe that's not a good idea.
but the material presented yesterday brightened up my outlook very much. i need to donate (when i can).

i'm sensitive so can use all the angles concerning the (hard to pin) energies we have to deal with.

so far i like the model. but as we know, one can find patterns any where. i even stopped reading books about these delvings as this is what it all seemed to be. see a pattern in plaster...write a book...

But...i used to (hear we go again) trip, hard. and i can excitedly say that i experienced this subjective time increase first hand before i read about it. i also experienced man's cosmic vector. as indicated by what we have here, we do seemingly eventually merge with It - or whatever that's more like a Field.

spirits, dead etc? this is really no big deal. where do you think halloween or all souls day etc came from? this was'nt wishful thinking. it was the nature of the Veil; bleedthrough. windows, towards the fall.
why the fall i'm not sure but i hope it's not simply due to projection/correspondence to vegetation cycles.
it has to due with man's psyche (and nature's changing qualities of course), which happens to wax in psychism around the fall (and by fractal extension...). this corresponds to zodiacal sequence.
the darker female/lunar/underworld energies = psychism, among other things.

Fintan can be quite the showman. or bard. but i agree with the line about balance. all this Could end up going down a wrong road.

got a sample astrology reading from a mayan approach last year. the system sounded similar to what's above. anyway, this had some descriptions that i've never seen in my tropical readings. important stuff.

but it's ideas like this that help me get through the days....

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: By the Numbers Reply with quote

I'd like to stay on topic as much as possible, but anyway some of the points by posters above are relevant. Me runnin' scared of topics? Um... that idea doesn't square with my major inquiry into reincarnation I think. My 'circus act' comment comes out of informed cynicism about the commercial nature of the pervasive 'other side' business. Big topic for some other day.

But the bottom line is that my analytical skills as deployed against the 9/11 coverup are hardly likely to suddenly desert me when examining other issues. I don't take a position on something without good reason.

And when it comes to the Mayan Calendar, I only ever had general impressions -not informed scientific opinion. But, looking into it, the numbers make an airtight case. By numbers, I mean the odds are astronomical that you could manage to slot into place all the major developments of history, within a clear explanatory structure, somehow by sheer chance. The odds are off the scale.

Which means it 's a fairly reliable predictive system based on already observed pattern. And so we better take a close look. Yeah, it's an attitudinal minefield -especially as the hype merchants are all over it and the social planners would love to twist it for their own benefit... but there ya' go, the facts are the facts.

I tried to pick scientific holes in it, believe me.

I couldn't.

If anyone can -let me know.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: A small trouble with the audio Reply with quote

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I got a partially garbled and repeating audio instead of the nice, normal tone that I enjoy listening to. I tried downloading both audio twice and still got no joy.

I managed to get near the end of the 'cast and I really want to know about the future! Seems highly ironic that this powerful system of prophecy has denied itself to me... Or more likely, as a co-creator, that I've denied something that I want.

On a less paradoxical note (from a user called Paradox) where can one find a description of the days and night system? I recall seeing a video that was linked on this topic to Google, a series of presentation about the various energies that would be explained for each day. I think I'm capable of using this kind of knowledge, but where is it? Any ideas, anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Science Reply with quote

Just saw what you had to say about this Fintan.

I'm glad that you decided to take up the topic.

Seriously, on the audio of two days ago, I was thinking at one point how happy I was that you were doing the audio. A few minutes later, you mentionned that you and your guest were co creators, along with the people listening.

Score one for the accelerated synchronicities.

I'm new here, so nobody "knows" about who I am, my past, experiences thoughts and so on. I've dabbled seriously in science and would qualify myself as an advanced generalist with a strong taste for spirituality.

I can see where individuals would be sceptical of future predictions. My own intuitions run very strongly towards the Mayan Calendar system being correct. Way back when, I made the link between the Bible's Seven Days and the accelerating creation process (the ancient universe, life emerging, animals, mammals and so forth.)

I don't think we should try to use the term scientific. Leave it at synchronistic. There is only so much we can do for individuals seeking proof. I don't mean to skirt the responsabilities of critical thought, only I wish to point out that our rational thoughts must, if pursued to their rational end, self-destruct and leave us ambivanlantly placed between science and intuition.

In fact, I really we need to talk more about the implications of what the Maya have left us. To me, it's just awesome that we have a rough roadmap of what's coming up for us.

I would love to know what people here think will happen in the 'Next Level'
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job on the audios everyone Wink

Hi paradox and welcome aboard

It's good to hear you consider yourself a generalist, the forum here should be right up your alley.

I like the comment from Carl In the first audio when he pointed out that a more Intuitive thought process is what is being
develpoed at this moment in time. You can see that in the past there has been this bias toward a ratonalist, logical,
left brain or literal outlook on reality, it's a bit like being hooked on the physical aspects of experience. It was
pointed out that with the acceleration of change that is going on right now, the kind of preparation for the future that was
favourable back then is not favourable any longer. It's like we're being forced to make decisions in a more Intuitive way
because the rate of information available is exploding through the roof.

But this doesnt mean shifting completely into a right brain intuitive mode of thought and disreguarding all that has been
'built up' through the rationalist processes, it's gonna happen through using those tools that have proven reliable. it's
only when you have some form (something reliable) that you can then go beyond it.(you need to have form before you can trans-form)

So I feel this is where we're headed, a lot of the old ways of thinking are gonna die hard, those who worship the power
of physical(logical) thinking will have to open up to the less 'visible' world, the same goes for the spiritualists, because
they too have only half the picture, theres more to it than our individual (subjective) interpretations and experiences.

I've been taking a look at our own mathematical system of describing reality lately and have found a lot of inconsistencies
and previously unrecognised patterns, some of which seem to correlate with the calander system used by the mayans. I'm finding
that a problem with explaining it is, some parts are too logical to be exciting and some parts are too Intuitive to be proveable. LOL

Is that a paradox? I dunno Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With apologies to the late Terrence McKenna, "So here we are at the end of history" (again).

I found the broadcast the most lucid I've heard on this subject since McKenna's discussions of the Calendar and his 'Timewave zero' hypothises during the 1990's.

I like the thought of a paradigm shift of human consciousness beyond dualism. I like the thought that it's just supposed to happen by itself as a cosmic destiny.
I know a lot of folks get very enthusiastic about the Mayan Calendar, but I must ask a few questions, since I think you would agree that too many people have taken it and promoted it as an alternative to Christian 'Rapture' thinking. And we'd like to distinguish between any real meaning found with this thing that it means these conculusion, and whimsy.

Here's my questions that I'm not finding the answer to in the literature.

I'm not getting how this:

Says and means this: I get the math and geometrics, but it's where the interpretations of what it means came from. The heiroglyphs translate to this? Metaphors?

cellular---14-16 billion
mammalian--850 million
familial---40 million
tribal-----2 million

I understand the part about the calendar's age of the universe being checksum with the western science hypothesis for that. (So is the Hindu Vedanta system, and the Australian aboriginal petroglyphs)

I understand how the 'tuns' match contemporary evolutionary marker events and changes.

What I'm missing is how much of these relationships is deduction by those who study the stone now? The list above seems attributed to the dates by modern interpreters.
What I mean is, beyond a mathematical system, how can anyone presume that final .72 year of the calendar means the end of duality?

I will add here that like Fox Mulder, "I want to believe". And when you said the Jan 5th 1999 was a shift point, I paid attention because I felt a big shift subjectively on New Years eve 1998, precicsely at sunset, in Austin Texas Central Standard Time.
My impression of this shift was profound enough that I've even mentioned it my post on the "What was your Holy Sh*t day?"


The moment it really hit me, was New Year's Eve, 1998. Because I decided to stay in for the first time in years and not attend any New Year's parties. I drove around early in the evening while the sun set, and saw the people, felt the empty quiet there is on New Years Eve as most stores are closed and people are getting ready for their parties indoors.
A dark mood came over me that I hadn't expected.

This is a good place to ask whether anyone else genuinely recalls feeling a memorable sense of shift around the Jan 5 1999 date.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Ball of Con-Fusion Reply with quote

In 1998 my introduction to the subject was attending the Mayan Dreamtime Festival; a 3 day extravaganza of all the leading new age experts on aspects of this tribe and their calendars/philosophy.

From there I dived deep into Jaguar Wisdom, The Oracle, The Tzolkein and dated a Daykeeper for a time. I had my chart done and discovered I was a 12 Crystal Seed: Kan or Lizard from one system and 3 Akbal Night from another. I still remember my poetic signature:

I dedicate in order to target universalising awareness. I seal the input of flowering with the crystal tone of co-operation. I am a galactic activation portal - enter me. Yeah, right, who could refuse such an invitation?

The Mayans are indeed a mystery, as are the pyramids and I shall look inot cracking this at some point, from an entirely different angle devoid of newage romanticism.

From my memory, the Mayans had 5 calendars the most popular of which charted the course of the stars over a 5000 year period ending 21-12-2012. How we get from 5000 years to 16bn is quite a leap of I suggest, one which my godzillion brain cells fail to compute, despite all the explanation.

I really do not follow this big bang malarchy like it's all just one huge meanigless accident that just 'suddenly happened' I've tried it on for size and it just doesn't fit. The evolution theory is highly suspect I mean come on! The chances of the superb intelligence of nature in all her forms developing randomly out of a mushy gloop of bacteria over billions of years is as likely as a tornado blasting through a factory and leaving a perfectly construced 747 in it's wake. The odds of this are equivalent to the odds of the evolution theory of billions to one. Fruit flies is fruit flies 50 years after the Adam and Eve fruit fles exchanged that first lingering look across the rotten apple - they have not and cannot transmute into even a dragonfly, let alone anything else. And neither SHOULD they, they are perfect as they are for their specific purpose which just 'happens' to harmonise within the grand and extraordinary scheme of nature's scientific design which can never be beaten by some idiot theory..The hoax of evolution hinges around the fallacious and destructive theories of Darwin and this idea originates from Egypt. The Egyptians believed in transmigration of the soul and their Baboon God, Thoth was their god of wisdom. According to their superstitions, the soul progresses or digresses depending on the life lived whilst on Earth. The highest point of incarnation before becoming human is a monkey. Beggars belief in this so-called scientific age. And just think, it wouln't matter much if you really did the nasty as a human, you'd just come back as a dog or something and if you was a good doggy, you'd progress to a monkey maybe. Barking mad.

In 1912 in rival to The Titanic sinking was the Titantic Hoax of The Piltdown Man. Some joker (highly scientific of course) fixed a human skull to an ape's jaw to 'prove' the 'missing link'. C'mon, let's get sane. There's a huge agenda behind this big bang/evolution hogwash and it ain't good for our health, folks. Man's progress was completely halted and regressed since the official propoganda of Darwinism and all manner of abuses arose from there. They're dumbing us down folks, ugg uggh innit?

I KNOW I AM NOT decended from an ape, OK? I certainly hope that you do too or the World's gone bananas and who cares - just peel me another. I was quite into Terrance McKenna myself but couldn't figure out how, with such claimed insight he was stuck on the evolution rap, and I've been to the same school, so to speak. Then I did my research and figured ...

This issue completely sidetracks off any serious enquiry into The Mayan factor and whilst great pains are taken to explain the system, it's as clear as muddy swampweed from which the majesty of nature apparently evolved and the next level is DOWN all the way which is the intention behind these ridiculous and disproven theories.

Frankly, given that Ireland was the seat of civilisation circa 5-800 AD It's tragic to witness how far she has fallen through the propogation of such nonsense from one of her sons.

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