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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Democrats, I found/noticed the Kevin Tillman letter. It was posted in the anti-Republican world..

The comments about this letter are thought provoking as the letter, in a different way, challenging the smug anti-Dem viewpoint we have, but for probably-legit reasons. Not because Dems leaders are good, but because Prog Dem people are decent and well-intentioned for the most part, where they stand, with mostly liberal antiwar sympathies.

Stan Goff is a former Special Forces "gangster for capitalism" turned Marxist advocate of revolution. The debate is about how to successfully apply genuine Marxist principles to American politics, with or without the Democrats.

http://stangoff.com/?p=393

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My point about Chavez was not to compare Venezuela line-by-line with the US. Maybe I wan’t clear enough. My point about Venezuela was that its specificity ran counter to leftist dogma. That is precisely why I argue for the left to drop its schemas and do what Marx and others said… study every situation in its specificity. If it does not conform to some theoretical generalization, that does not mean the facts are anomolous. It means the generalization doesn’t work.

It does not seem to be a logical quantum leap to say, if the generalization fails once, it might fail again… given the stubborn insistence of actual developments to contain themselves within our cognitive strictures.

As to whether I can work the polls, being a socialist and all, and still retain my purity — this feels a bit like we are supposed to hire the equivalent of Shabbos goyim to do our political dirty work.

My polling place is at a fire station near my neighborhood. On election day, several thousand people who live and work near me, and whom I never have an opportunity to meet or talk with, will be coming there with their minds on politics. I suppose I could hand them all a leaflet with an excerpt from the Grundrisse or The State and Revolution. Or I could hand them this rant by Kevin Tillman.

Let me point out two things about this piece, which I admit (full disclosure) to having a VERY small hand in (mostly morale support).

I know Kevin. I don’t agree line-by-line with his take in this piece, but it is HIS take, not mine. Kevin is not a leftist. He actually sees himself, in some ways, as libertarian… but he likes baseball a lot more than politics. He has never published anything in his life, and was very reluctant to publish this… and he may never publish anything again. But he wrote this from his heart, and from a place of tremendous pain that connects directly to the Bush amdinistration, right now.

If he had written this with a drop more analysis, or as a socialist or anarchist or whatever, instead of as a grieving brother, the second thing I have to say about it wouldn’t have happened.

Truthdig published this open-letter, and that raw emotion connected. It got more comment hits than anything they’ve published. Within one day it was reproducing at a rate of one every ten minutes at Technorati. Within two days, it was one every three minutes. It had gone full-blown, epidemic viral. There was no staff working to get the word out, no organization behind the distribution of this piece. My own SWAG math seems to show that hundreds of thosands of people have read this now. This happened because it mapped straight onto a growing sense of discomfort and latent anger, and actualized the latter for a lot of people to the point where they wanted to do something to strike back.

In other words, this was a mass phenomenon. If the left picks and pulls at this by over-intellectualizing it, or engages in hair-splitting over the words, or runs forward to show the world that we are far-oh-so-far-smarter than Kevin and anyone who falls for this un-evolved expression, we will have effectively severed our connection to a tremendous quantity of people who are sick of this war and pissed off enough to do something.

What do we want to tell them, right now, when their dander is up, when they’ve been shaken out of their frenzied, late-capitalist, metropolitan inertia?

Well… let’s tell them, “Those elections won’t make any difference.”

Then we can go home and stew about the fact that no one pays any attention to us. And we will be wrong. Dead wrong. Those elections do, dammit, make a difference.

If — in this period, right now, given the way things are in the real United States, and not in some static universe where all our abstractions about reform and revolution apply — if this mobilized mass goes out wiht the one little weapon they have, a vote (something people died for in our lifetimes, by the way, and that white progressives should always think about), and see that they can throw a big fucking speed bump in the path of a government, the knowledge that they can do that is making a difference. If Republicans and Democrats see — and they will see — that regardless of how ignorant those masses are about the true nature and causes of the war, and the history of Middle East colonialism, and the structural nature of neo-liberalism, yada yada yada — if the R’s and D’s can see that the war was the issue that sent the peasants seeking their electoral pitchforks, it absolutely makes a difference. The difference is that the unequal balance of power between the ruling class and the rest is shifted a bit in our direction. Not because we have embraced Marxism-Leninism or Rastafarianism or the Beatle’s White Album as the people’s ideological weapon, but because we are more awake than we were before, more aroused than we were before… we haven’t got the answers yet, but we are paying attention… and more importantly, we get a glimpse of our own latent power.

I used to be a practitioner of something called Unconventional Warfare. It means training irregulars — partisans, if you like — for guerrilla war. After training, the first mission the newly trained partisans are always to do is something small and relatively easy. Blow up a small bridge somewhere, maybe. It has limited tactical signficance, and even more limited strategic signficance, but it is hugely signficant. We called that first mission a “conifidence target.” If newly trained partisans took on a big mission the first time out, before they had experience, but more importantly before they had confidence in themselves, they would be demoralized, and worse, possibly slaughtered. But by succeeding in a small way, they gained a sense of their own agency, which becomes the basis for ramping up the organizaiton into more challenging missions.

I’ll leave with that thought.

Comment by Stan — 10/23/2006 @ 9:08 am


(I read Stan's brilliant book, Full Spectrum Disorder. Chap 5 is titled Full Spectrum Fuckup. The thing is, I think that Goff thinks Rumsfeld et al. screwed up Iraq in their imperialist zeal, whereas I think they deliberately screwed up Iraq in their imperialist zeal plus strategy.)

Now Goff is not delusional, imagining that Dems represent change in govt, but that Dem culture is more energized. Also that if beloved Dems COMPLETELY FAIL to produce desired change, in broad daylight, this object-lesson could wake up masses MORE than a good analysis.

I do not know to what degree Goff has accepted that the whole Bush(reagan)/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton pattern is pre-ordained and orchestrated, but considering that many engaged political people DO still believe in that, perhaps energizing (mindfully) in that direction and venue IS a useful path. They have had some blistering critiques of whitebread prog-dems in the past on this forum, so this is quite a reversal. And therefore remarkable, worthe remarking. Tillman's letter is linked on the link.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: To Hell With MarxISM Reply with quote

And Commune/Social/Femin/FascISM and all the other ISMS accountable for the bloody SCHISMS devised by Jesuits, executed through ZionISM.

You want to see how successful communism has been? Take a look at Stalin's butcherty, or what has and is still happening in China, the disgusting harvesting of organs from LIVE 'prisoners'. Want to take a look at our future? Go take a peek inside North Koreas Gulags. Then come back and tell us of the glory of Marx!

People talk about the NWO as if Communism were a thing of the past. No, people, Communism is the gruesome reality marching us into total DespotISM.

All this hype about 'the workers freedom' robbed peasants of their land and left them starving in both Russia and China. This mindless crap about 'rich capitalists exploiting the labouring classes' is just a ruse for the simple-minded or maladjusted. We are exploited by Corporatism not free capitalism, and Corporatism is no different from Communism in my books.

As for that Bolshy Crypto-Jew Marx and his cronies, responsible for so much mayhem and misery of millions of people, may he be cursed eternally. Anyone vicious enough to follow this is an enemy of their fellow humanity. Interesting that the UN Charter, blueprint for the NWO and to which all nation states must comply and pay for (through our taxes) is very closely based on Marx's Manifesto.

When are people gonna wake up to the obvious that all parties are controlled by the same hand? JESUITS - The Black Pope, Vatican, Rome, Knights of Malta, Masons, Zionists and all their cheesy little set-ups like FBI/CIA/M15/6/MOSSAD/P2 and on and on. Republican, Democrat or Conservative; forget it! It doesn't exist, it's a fantasy fragment of a dead ideology. We are facing the enemy, a common enemy with many faces and one agenda.

Actually, I'm surprised to see this here, as I thought we were all engaged in MOVING TO THE NEXT LEVEL? However, as I'm on Stan Goff's list, I'm grateful for this insight and shall erase myself electronically before the regimes he advocates do so corporally. Beam me up - I'm outta here!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How come Hillary never shows her legs?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Corporatism is no different from Communism


Smart and true. Except that's sold and accepted as "capitalism", and you better enjoy it. Since we're on B4N not the Mises.org forum (which is also tied to Nazis via Mont Pelerin Society and their "Austrian School" of free feudalism.)

And not only did communism kill, anti-Communism in the hands of Dulles and Bush and a slew of Nazi SS blackshirts, participated in Operation Gladio, the "dirty wars" in Argentina and much of Latin America and Central America, the overthrow of the Shah, and even the creation of the State of Israel, which became THE premeir anti-comm pivot in the ME.

In the meantime, maybe there's infinite permutations of socialism and infinite forms of capitalism, and similar variations (like rock music)bounded only by our creativity and will.

Obviously a society based on TOTAL equality must have TOTAL control, and a society based on TOTAL unstructured and unregulated liberty from govt would have VAST and DEEP inequality. This is especially true if such liberty extends to persons who are "imaginary contructs" of the State, called "corporate persons".

We should be smart enough to reject those solutions if we are not fixed in some ideology, rather informed by several. (Many modern economists who are NOT Marxist still credit Marx for some of his observations.)

What if we humans agreed upon a world where natural persons (humans) had maximum sensible freedom up to the point of harming others, including freedom to contract, and there were no such thing as "outlawed possession of things" especially plants. Like "Aint Nobody's Buiness But My Own".

Then to round things out, what if we agreed that "corporate persons" like most useful but dangerous machines (cars, planes) and govt institutions (courts, police), need standards, regulation, and oversight/supervision to ensure that they operate properly without undue risk to humans?

WE could develop a new name to call that system, but it might have an ISM in it.

So quit being DAFT, Aida and quit being frozen on tired rigid ideological viewpoints. I've read some of Quigley, as well as G. Edward Griffin and Gary North and others. Here's Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization, with the former Bircher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8MCSu_K-A

You think YOU are the only person who has ever heard this, O Wise One? Are you an OLD man, with a faded Birch card? Did you know the that Griffin's JBS has ALSO been linked to the very "communism" it makes a splashy show of opposing???? Yes, JBS linked to CFR and to Bankers' "inverted communism".

Goff probably has heard this too. Must because he uses the term Marxism, does not mean his goal is to eradicate social exploitation via a new Cheka. BUSH and Clintons are rolling out the Cheka. Obviously Goff has something different in mind.

Try to name the "Crypto-Jews" and JESUITS in this article. Most of them are named "Morgan". Oh, I know everyone involved in banking has Jewish blood, regardless of their heritage. Even Anthony Sutton, who must be one of the top respected experts on this viewpoint denounces your idiotic and mal-infomred name-calling.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
How come Hillary never shows her legs?


I dont know. How come Barbara never shows her big warm tits?

Does Nancy shave her bush into a narrow line when she trims her eyebrows?

Is this B4N or the National Enquirer/Sun and Break for Supermarket Tabloid Punditry?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Dilbert, yes, I know that all opposing factions are likewise manufactured and as Fritz Springmeir has illustrated there are 13 bloodlines prominent in historical and ongoing infamy in human affairs; the Morgans being one such. As for naming Jesuits, by their nature (if it can be describted as such) or rather design, they tend to render themselves invisible. Washington University spawns them and Bill Clinton is a graduate of such. Roman Catholicism is another of their tools as is The CFR and most, if not all institutions, foundations,parties, movements and ideologies. As for the term Crypto-Jew, I refer to the Ashkenazi Eastern European tribe which comprise the main body of Zionists and I know of what I speak.

For anyone who follows the tracks of the serpent's tale, I cannot recommend highly enough that which I am immersed in currently: Eric Jon Phelps' Vatican Assasins. This is a highly enlightening documentation of Jesuit/Black Pope influence from imposition of The Dark Ages, The Inquisition, Assasination of JFK Snr and Jnr, 911 and all. All roads do indeed lead to Rome. This 730 page PDF can be downloaded free via The Unhived Mind or Icke's website links.

As for options on our future, what if everything we'ed been told is a lie? What if man enjoyed pockets of freedomm from tyranny in history? What is at the root of tyranny past, present and potentially future? What if we discovered this root and routed it out?

What if all ISMS lead closer to the source of this root? What if I'm getting close, as others have done, in identifying The Black Pope, Rome and Jesuits? What if these Jesuits corrupted The Masons, The Churches, the financial systems and all streams in human affairs? What if the root before Layola lies in Babylon (Iraq) Assyria (Etheopia) and Egypt?

What if I'm just a 'conspiracy nut'? Dream on.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary has 'tree-stump' legs. Ergo no skirts - ever.

But it's no problem 'cause the last thing Hillary wants to do is to attract a man!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who would want to have sex with her anyway? The thought of her bare legs or anything is nasty. Its too bad you had to see her stumps Mike. Did you puke?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry guys, while I don't find Hillary personally attractive to me, nor politically attractive, but she's NOT physically UGLY either. She's sufficiently photogenic, even if it's part camera tricks and tucks. She's not 22 either.

Ppl on right wing radio were joking about her in some dominatrix setup AS IF Condi Rice never did such a photo op in nearly thigh-high spiked heel boots on her way to some important diplomatic discussions.

And I have no idea on Hillary's sexual leanings. She's a "strong woman" in terms of management, and her Zionist politics among other things (like hijacking the media to block coverage of one of her opponents in NY) leads me to think it's OK to call her a "bitch". But a lesbian? Maybe that's true as well (and irrelevant to me) but can anyone name ONE of her female lovers?

One name, photo, memoir? If not, then this snide discussion of her supposed lesbianism reduces this forum to the Limbaugh show, who publicly called teenage Chelsea "a dog" because her awkward smile was filled with braces at the time. Sick fuck, I wanted to drive to Limbaugh-central and punch him in the mouth.

Consider: Golda Meir. Andrea Dworkin. Mother Teresa. Barbara Bush. HOTORNOT?
Again, why is the sex appeal of Barbara Bush not part of this discussion? Should we elect Gloria Steinem? She's a hot CIA bitch with those cool shades. Or how about Britney Spears? She's HOT and pro-Bush.

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Fritz Springmeir has illustrated there are 13 bloodlines prominent in historical and ongoing infamy in human affairs


Yawn.

Fritz Springmeir is the author of three books:
The Bloodlines of the Illuminati
The Illuminati Formula
Deeper Insights

"A recommended listen is Icke with Arizona Wilder - "Revelations of a Mother Goddess"....many others out there to ...Fritz Springmeir being another."

FRITZ SPRINGMEIR SENT TO FEDERAL PRISON
This is a total setup of Fritz since he spoke out about the actions of the Illuminati and their scumbag agenda.

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Occultists the world over believe that, once a symbol is created, it acquires power of its own, and more power is generated when such symbol(s) are created without the profane [uninitiated] knowing about it. And, the greatest power of all is created in the symbol(s) if the uninitiated NEVER discover that the symbol exists. MASONIC SYMBOLS OF POWER IN THEIR SEAT OF POWER -- WASHINGTON, D.C.

There are 13 leaves on the left olive branch with 13 berries. 13 stripes on the middle shield. 13 arrows on the right.
13 stars above the eagles head. 13 letters in the "E Pluribus Unum" on the ribbon.
13 letters in Annuit Coeptis. There are 13 blocks top to bottom on the pyramid.
Fritz Springmeir in his The 13 Bloodlines says these 13 blocks represent the 13 Satanic family's


THE ILLUMINATI FORMULA TO CREATE AN UNDETECTABLE MIND CONTROL SLAVE by FRITZ SPRINGMEIR

more in google cache from libertyforum:
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It is hard to say what is true and false in this story. His current wife, whom I came to know briefly through email correspondence, before she got married to Springmeier, claims that Fritz was framed, while the evidence shown in court point to that he was deeply involved in violent acts to overthrow the government. According to the court, he was in a bank robbery and got away with $6,000.00. The feds also found a great amount of weapons and ammunition on his property.

I want to direct you to two articles that in length describe the background to what happened, the incident (or incidents) that got him in jail, and you can make up your own mind. Whatever the case, I personally strongly discourage anyone from using violence as a justification for reaching his/her goals. We can't meet destruction with destruction. There is, in my opinion, only one reason to use violence, and that is in self defense, or if your family and friends are attacked. The solution, otherwise, is education and spiritual growth.

Here are the two articles, which should be read in this order:

Fritz Springmeier - Another Human Tragedy
Update on Fritz Springmeier
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response:
A lot of the Illuminati information reported by Alex Jones is second hand and directly from the research of Fritz. (WOW!!!)
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I've read Bloodlines. This guy has done an insane amount of research. What he exposes in that book is the reason why he is in jail without a doubt.

He even goes as far as to say that it is a Zionist/Jewish conspiracy, but he says that is a dangerous label. He is Christian so his view is that the battle is in the spirit. Meaning evil or satan is controlling these Zionist/Illuminists.


Wow. Really, SATAN calls up Tel Aviv on the Tel Aphone and tells the IDF which Palestinian refugee village to fire missiles into, and which elected Hamas political representative's family to assassinate.

Next: Texe Marrs' recipes for Smoked Turkey Jerky Sticks arranged in a cross-shaped pattern to ward off evil spirits.

Judge for yourself.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dudes,

As much fun as it is to join in this insult-fest, I don't think personal attacks on Hillary's appearance do much more than indelibly connect us to the "vast Right Wing conspiracy" she's using as her self-attack to garner support from reluctant Liberals.

I think we need to focus on her political theater aspects, and not sound like Rush Limbaugh right now. If I directed any of my psy-op'd Liberal friends over to this thread, they'd conclude this is a Free Republic/ Little Green Footballs spin-off site and never come back.

And they'd have yet another reason to hold their noses and vote for her in '08. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a saint. Is it a sin to be mean?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Muir wrote:
I am not a saint. Is it a sin to be mean?

In some cultures, yes. Laughing

I have nothing against mean - I can do it with the best of them. I'm just saying, since we're trying to deconstruct political theater here, it doesn't help to be piling on and using the personal "she's ugly" attacks the Reich-Wingers use.

I definitely taints the global warming stuff here, and makes it easier for any visiting Liberals to conclude that maybe we are part of some energy industry cabal.

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