Keeping this forum intelligent

[atm]

Can we please keep this forum free of discussion about

the 'Illuminati', the 'NWO', the 'Globalist One World Conspiracy' and so

on. What we do NOT need is another David Icke, Alex Jones, John

Kaminski, Henry Makow, Rixon Stewart et al. It discredits this

forum that has thus far managed to distance itself from these easily

discreditable commentators.

I am presently, painfully listening to a David Icke interview and frankly it

is making me cringe. Though he addresses important issues he then

goes on to blame lizard people. Lizard people, I ask you. Try explaining

that to your mother. Or your psychiatrist.

Rational, intelligent debate only, please.

atm

[Jerry Fletcher]

As long as we get some of the smart money from the atm.

Welcome!

[Toto]

yes sir officer. :roll:

[stevensnell]

Atm, who are we supposed to make fun of?

I hope everyone planning on the move to 'Isle Of Icke' realises property is highly coveted? It took me ages to get close enough to actually smell the b*llsh*t coming from his studio

What I find amazing about his attitude is that he sees nothing wrong with interviewing himself as an 'expert' to back up his claims. The most recent expose I saw was his Moon landings fiasco (laughter is the best medicine they say) in which he narrated and interviewed himself talking about the fact Neil Armstrong wore a Mason's apron on the moon - yeah Dave, and those Lizard men make a fine living in handbags and shoes.

I think we're the lucky ones, some people actually pay for his crap.

If anyone wants to, my new DVD 'Steven Snell - Man to Myth?' has some great interviews about my roots in Nazi Gold (I'll give you some great tips Robert & Jerry) where I speak candidly with myself proving beyond doubt I actually flew across the North Pole with Admiral Byrd and it was me who pointed out those giant holes, I exclusively confirm with myself.

'Rational intelligent debate' are my middle names.

Regards,

[Ormond]

There's been too much and head space being sucked up by self-servers like Icke and Jones. An analogy: If somebody robs your house and you manage to get him in court, what kind of lawyer would make his case proving that the suspect is a Freemason? What we have are incorporated criminals perfoming blatant illegal actions on a daily basis. Whether they worship weird gods or like to have Halloween in July is beside the point. There's little occult voodoo involved in depleted uranium tipped bullets, or vote count fraud.

I think that the agencies behind psyops are having a good laugh at us, if we go on giving Icke and Jones millions of hits on their web sites, even just for laughs. They don't care what we believe, as long as we stay scattered and unfocused.
Fintan's provided an intelligent space free of a package we're supposed to buy into. There are plenty of blogs available for venting and being cute when sitting around late at night stoned or drunk and want to share ghost stories.
It's a good place for really thinking first before tapping the keys. It's not easy for me either, after several years already of being conditioned to use the internet for an amusement park.

[kawazu]

[Toto]

Everything is a conspiracy. Pick your choice of what conspiracy theory you want to believe in but let people express their own view and perspective on things without labelling them stupid. I agree that the labels are not that important but what is that you keep an open mind to worlds beyond this socalled physical illusion. The bigger picture is not politics. Politics is a show. We all did not come to this from the same path but i think we are all going in the same direction. Sure there is tons of disinfo out there but there is also good info even from David Icke or Jones, rense.... There are plenty of referances to reptillians... through history and even today should we just ignore this? Developing the skills to detect the difference between honesty and deception may be the most important skill to have and the real sign of intelligent.

[Ormond]

I recall that back in the 70's those of us in the college clique that had blown of government as a scam and threw our television sets in the garbage, referred to coroporate mentality types and other extortionist control freaks as "the reptiles". This merely was a metaphor for people who's emotional development was stunted in fetal development at the "reptle brain" substructures in the human brain.
Perhaps a few decades and a few thousand hits of acid later guys like Icke who'd overheard this term being bandied about at a Pink Floyd pot party subconsiously took the metaphorical joke literally.
The only truth I construe from the reptilian premises is that the human brain does have a few lower analagous parts which we share with reptiles. For example the part that reacts to surprise by firing electrochemical pulses through the nervous system to trigger the adrenal gland it a "reptile brain" function. (the "reptile brain" isn't very smart, like the reasoning cerebral cortex, but it's much faster to react and dump powerful chemicals and trigger neurotic reactions of fight or flight in inappropriate situations sometimes. Also responsible for post traumatic stress syndrome).
So in a way, there's a little bit of reptilian in all of us, metaphorically speaking.
But as for alien reptile races of blues and grays (oops, wrong war), I don't see a shred of evidence.
I used to think Icke was sincere. But he's so rich now!
When one is gathering a following based on providing answers to what millions of people are curious about, adding one trademark twist is an old trick for turning an audience into a devoted cult. Who gives you their money. When you see the guru being driven away from the lecture in his vintage Rolls Royce Silver Shadow, take it with a grain of salt. Or a bottlle of salt.

[atm]

I recently submitted my Phd thesis, 'Globalisation and Geckonomics'

citing David Icke as my key reference source. Guess what grade I

attained?

atm

[Ormond]

Globalization and Geckonomics? I thought something like that had been published by Milton Freedman for the early Reagan Administration, but maybe that was something else.

I'd say that whether or not the University granted the Phd., you might be visited my mysterious men in black who offered you carte blanche backing to host a highly promoted internet talk show, and a juicy advance on a publishing deal.

[stevensnell]

Hi All,

Turned out to be quite a popular post atm (love the PHD by the way:)

I take Icke/Jones et al the same way I take Paris Hilton et al. I laugh and reassure myself only a small percentage of people listen to them. Both are rich/powerful, but take them out of their niche and they stand out like a recently-hammered thumb.

I wouldn't be so sure about Fintan. We have bought into something, one part is that we're saying to all those on 'the list' of CIA fakes that we're okay with it; many of whom wouldn't come near this forum with a ten foot reptile pole.

I enjoy the discussions as much as the next person, but don't kid myself this is a haven/retreat for 'truth' - I enjoy the variety and the easy going debate. Perhaps in the way that estate agents use the motto "location, location, location" ours should be "agenda, agenda, agenda" or "opinion, opinion, opinion" etc

Stick with me here, my mind wanders/wonders...

I think what I find most interesting, (Jerry this is what I was trying to say the other day about what I've learnt) is that I am desperate to find out. I've always accepted my passion for learning but only recently realise its an addiction. I'm addicted to finding out information which doesn't particularly affect my life in any way and wouldn't have access to 50yrs ago (cultures, histories etc). My wish to find out that which is not known, and the accompanying feeling of superiority that comes with having information others do not- is quite a thing.

Ormond makes a good point about history. "back in the 70's" - I think that helps tie this together and brings about a realisation that perhaps we're chasing ourselves. We look for conspiracy over time; in books, artwork, architecture, but what if those people - they are people like ourselves - were looking for the same thing - a whisper of something greater?

Perhaps the ultimate aethism is the addiction to the unknown? A refusal to accept the 'recorded' greatness (ie god(s)) that inevitably leads to the search for the unknown greatness - in that way we too can 'own' our existance, and our purpose, as those with religion seem to.

I'm sure others have said/thought the same thing many times before but I couldn't get a guest-slot on Jeremy Kyle so you lot will have to do

I guess what I'm saying is that it wouldn't matter who was saying it and to a lesser extent, what they were saying. The fact that its different to agreed wisdom/perception attracts me and will do in the future. I've read some crap in my time and wasted many hours to arrive at this destination- only to realise the journey was my life and that it was my choice. There's a quote from 'The Thin Red Line' that I think applies - "If I never meet you in this life, let me feel the lack" - I think I feel the lack.

Regards,

[atm]

Well, I failed my Phd but I don't feel downhearted because, you see, the

truth has set me free. All energy is love and infinite love is the only truth.

Everything else is illusion. I am me and I am free. I have exposed the

dreamworld we believe to be real: it's all a great illusion and I know

about the hidden hand in the glove.

It's such a shame my tutor couldn't wake up and see that all energy

really is love and infinite love really is the only truth and

everything else really is just illusion and there really is a

hidden hand in a glove [though I don't know what colour the glove is or

whether it is for the left hand or the right hand] and the Illuminati really

are really real and nasty and naughty and rude and they pull girls' hair

and microwave toads and all sorts of other horrible, naughty nastiness.


atm

[Ozregeneration]

Hi Steven,

Just giving my first impression after reading your post. No offence intended.

[Toto]

Putting down david icke does not make you smarter than him. At least the man is doing something and not all his info is that bad. In fact I find him to be inspring. I don't put Icke and Alex Jones in the same boat at all. Once again if someone can give me real proof of why David Icke is disinfo... i would be happy to look at it.

[V]

David icke is running by pretty much the same formula every time you hear him. May be that AJ is also doing much his own fear-based formula - with a bit of breaking down "crying" when the realization of the true evil of the elite overwhelmes him and he just has to go bezerk - but he at least comes up with a lot of news stories most the times you hear him...he's very quick on the trigger but does point to a lot of suspect stuff & always takes a little twist from time to time that makes him intersting to listen to.

Icke runs around in circles and can hardly ever surprise me. And the thing about the reptiles..theres also been a lot of lions, goats, bulls and whatever animals through history so why only reptiles? Well i guess that they are the most sinister of the creatures, but still it ought to make you think already right there