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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Diiiiinosauuuuur flaaaaatulunch!

Kinda sums up Mr Jones Wink.

So good I...fhoo!

Vindication tastes so good!

You know who knows.

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http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=6997

They are still not getting it over at the British 9/11 Movement. Except that alexsandie Wink
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So I joined and will post there.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Alex Jones, Obachike and Peter Power Reply with quote

I just posted the following over on the NineEleven.co.uk Forum

The issue of the comparison of the two statements by Peter Power
and his hesitation in a TV interview is the first time I have raised this.
Details in the story below:


I am contributing here because it's hardly fair that alexsandie is subjected
to abuse, merely for posting information to the forum. If you wish to
disagree that's fair enough. Debate is good. But schoolyard bullying is not.

Alex Jones, Obachike and Peter Power

by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com, 12th Feb 2007.

Let's get to the facts. There were two substantial aspects to my latest
broadcasts. First in relation to Daniel Obachike's claims to be a survivor of
the London 7/7 bus bombings and his appearance on the Alex Jones show
within 48 hrs. of my publishing an article critical of his story. Second as to
the role of Alex Jones as a purveyor of deliberately lame conspiracy
stories to spoil the pot for legitimate 9/11 truth seekers.


There is no proof that Daniel Obachike was aboard that bus. No photos of
him as the scene. No contemporaneous interviews with media -just one
many months later. And no substantiation from the fact that he supposedly
gave a statement seven months later to police --as we do not not the
detail of that statement.

His own account of events attempts to explain his absence from the
scene of the bus blast, by saying he jumped off the bus within seconds of
the bomb explosion and ran away Then he says he went to some hotel
with some lady to help get her some medical assistance. All conveniently
taking him away from the scene and explaining his absence from photos.

He says he saw a man with a camcorder filming the scene and was
suspicious. This in one of the most popular tourist destinations in the
world. He claims that police stood around doing nothing in the immediate
aftermath of the bomb blast. I don't believe him. He says a Mercedes and
a BMW blocked the bus earlier, with an impliciation this caused it's
diversion. Though he admits the diversion came five minutes later. He
says one of the drivers waved what may have been identification at a
police motorcyclist. Though he admits he did not see any identification. He
claims an injured man at the scene had fake injuries because he saw the
man at a point too far away to have been affected by the blast. Though
he himself admits he was not at the scene in the aftermath, so how would
he know where the man was originally.

Lacking any substantial merit to those claims, his website is padded out
with video of his apartment concierge, he claims. Audio of a police call to
him, he claims. And tales of harassment which extended to the security
services blocking him from getting employment and the police in the
street on point duty jeering him as he passed them. Amazing. Even the
bobbies in the street are in on the conspiracy, it seems.

It would be tempting to conclude that all this is merely some opportunist
cashing in on the bombings with a book. But I believe it's far worse. I
believe this is yet another deliberately 'flaky' conspiracy tale to smear
those with legitimate concerns about the genesis of the 7/7 attacks.

The Obachike story is on the Internet since last autumn, but it was within
48hrs. of my article pointing out some of the holes in the story that he
quickly appeared on the Alex Jones show. This would not be the first time
Jones has been involved in 'flaky' 7/7 conspiracy theory. There's a good
reason why.

The establishment had fears that journalists might suspect that all was not
right with the official 7/7 account. Even regardless of what reporters put
in print, what they talk about in private among themselves could be very
damaging. Especially as the security services in the U.K. hardly have a
pristine record on the issue of terrorism attacks.
(See Guilford Four,
Birmingham Six)

So it would be especially worthwhile for whomever carried out the
bombings to plant a spoiler story to put the media off the track and help
ridicule 'conspiracy theorists'. That is where Alex Jones and the issue of a
'terror drill' on the morning of 7/7 comes in. I believe this issue was
deliberately constructed as a booby-trap --well in advance.

The involvement of Peter Power is hardly coincidental. Indeed coincidence
and Peter Power seem to go hand in hand.

Quote:
The Pied Piper of the London Bombing

Listen Here: DSL Stereo or 56K mp3

by Kathy McMahon & Fintan Dunne, Editor
BreakForNews.com 1st August, 2005

http://static.flickr.com/21/30570040_a5e5964b8c_m.jpg

A BreakForNews.com investigation has uncovered that Peter Power of Visor Consultants was closely involved on the scene of two previous serious incidents on the London Underground, before being linked to a third -the latest attacks on 7/7, 2005.

The first was in 1984 and the second was in 1987. Both were fires. The latter was in King's Cross station and took over thirty lives. Power was the police scene commander at the fire. He now runs a private security consultancy, and is a former detective inspector in counter-terrorism.

Our investigation also shows that Power has a long-term close relationship with the current London Met Police chief, Sir Ian Blair. At the scene of the 1987 fire with Power, was detective inspector (at the time) Ian Blair. Power describes them as knowing each other very well......

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/pied-piper-of-london-bombing.html


Our story focussed on Power's involvement with London Underground
incidents, but of course he was also deputy forward control coordinator
at the Libyan People Bureau siege.

Many people who express opinion on the terror drill issue lack all the
facts. We took care to research properly. But thanks to Jones, the tale of
the "thousand-person terror drill" has proven almost impossible to shake.
I don't believe this was an accident. I believe Power's first statement on
this was carefully constructed, to a word.

Quote:
Here's a transcript of the interview Power gave the BBC [our emphasis]:

POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an
exercise for a company of over a thousand people
in London based
on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it
happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck
standing up right now."

Alex Jones is Wrong on London Terror Drill
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html


If that's an unfortunate turn of phrase it had the consequence that Alex
Jones was to then portray the comment as meaning a thousand people
were on the terror drill --rather than that the company for whom the
exercise was being conducted had a thousand employees.

Quote:
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm


I'm saying that because of the issue of the 9/11 drills, the planners of this
little misdirection knew that the 9/11 truth movement would swallow the
bait, --hook, line and sinker. And many did.

Later, in another TV interview [Video Mplayer] Power admitted that their
exercise also included mainline rail targets as well as the Underground.
His firm runs these terror seminars frequently. They are paper-based
exercises for clients of his corporate continuity business. He makes it
clear that he was working with a small crisis team in an office. And that's
the nature of these business continuity training sessions. They cover any
incident which could afffect business continuity: power cuts, violent
storms etc..

The reason I am deeply suspicious of Power's role is the difference
between the two interviews he gave that morning. The first -with that
"thousand people" comment and the second where he clarifies that it was
a small crisis team.

Listen carefully and note well the hesitation in the first interview by
Power when he gets to the part where he says "a company of over a
thousand people".

http://BreakForNews.com/audio/PeterPower77-Two-Interviews.mp3

"Because at half past nine this morning, we were actually running an
exercise for eh... over... eh... a company of a thousand people in London...

I think the hesitation was because Power knew he was supposed to say the words right and he fluffed it.


Anyway, with the bait taken, it didn't take long from a mainstream media
shark to move in for the kill.

Quote:
Mainstream Ridicules Visor Terror Drill Hype

Now you will see why two weeks ago I challenged the wild article by Alex Jones that a terror drill by UK security consultants, Visor had acted as a plausible deniability cover for those who carried out the 7/7 London bomb attacks.

I had known it was a setup from the start. These stories are deliberate false decoys designed to allow mainstream media to later ridicule 'conspiracy theories' which turn out to be untrue.

Predictably the U.K. TV Channel 4 is using the errors in Alex Jones' article to sneer at bloggers and alternative media. News reporter JJ King writes:

Quote:
Prison Planet, in an article entitled 'London Underground Bombing "Exercises" argued that the simulated attacks were, whether Power knew it or not, intended to act as a cover for the real ones. News agency Al Jazeera agreed, baldly asserting that 'The London Underground exercises were used as the fallback cover to carry out the attack.'


King then quotes my article debunking Jones (which I knew the mainstream probably would do, but I had to try prevent alternative media walking wholesale into the setup.)

Quote:
In fact, the 'exercises' he spoke of on Five Live were carried out purely 'on paper', or at least PowerPoint, by a small group of seven or eight executives..." As Fintan Dunne, editor of BreakForNews.com points out, 'these types of private-sector "risk management" drills never use field staff.


King goes on to damm bloggers as incompetent:

Quote:
In the light of a brief interview with Power, the 'unbelievable' coincidence of events suddenly seems entirely comprehensible: the train stations targeted, after all, were all in central London -- any planner would pick these amongst a list of possible targets.

'When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras,' goes the often-quoted popularisation of Occam's Razor. In the absence of journalistic nous, bloggers would do well to stick by it.


It's sickening to have the mainstream able to sneer like this. I know they do this all the time. But when they spend three pages like this on a carefully selected "conspiracy theory" --you know that we just goofed by giving them ammunition to portray themselves as guardians of reason. That's how the Jones over-the-top hype damages us.

Visor's eight-person, office-bound terror drill wasn't cover for the black op.

The story of the coincident drill was itself the decoy cover.


http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/mainstream-ridicules-visor-terror.html


That incorrect story by Jones about Power running a 1,000 person terror
drill as cover for the attacks has helped smear ongoing investigation of
the London Bombings. The mainstream has rubbished it -and who can
argue. The story was a disaster.

There is no way to defend Jones' assertion that an eight-person, on-paper
only, corporate management training session --was really a 1,000 person
terror drill with field staff in the Underground providing cover for the real
bombers.

It was a tinfoil hat story which damaged legitimate investigators and left
Peter Power well ringfenced against further media examination.

The latest 7/7 bus bombing interview by Jones is just more of the same.

I am saying that Peter Power colluded in a planned decoy story for the
7/7 attacks; that Obachike is a fake; and that Alex Jones is in direct and
proximate contact with the people behind all this.

Also Posted at:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=53227#53227
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the windup:
Quote:
This would not be the first time Jones has been involved in 'flaky' 7/7 conspiracy theory. There's a good reason why.


Here's the pitch:
Quote:
It's sickening to have the mainstream able to sneer like this. I know they do this all the time. But when they spend three pages like this on a carefully selected "conspiracy theory" --you know that we just goofed by giving them ammunition to portray themselves as guardians of reason. That's how the Jones over-the-top hype damages us.


Strike Three! Eager to see what happens next.


I just stumbled across this by Jones posted by some fellow. This part is actually good! That's a problem.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd4UlJUkMHU
The production and historical detail is good, paced right for short attention spans, the footage of Bernays and so on is compelling enuf, it seems to have some worthwhile value. Unfortunately, it's booby trapped by Jones himself and his paradigms.

Freedomfiles posted some other links on this page,
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14612#14612

and I found some brief documentaries which appear to be untainted by
Alex Jones
Fritz Springmeir
Protocols of Zion
Hitler was great
communist menace
Illuminati
Demons, Satan, Armageddon
etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the level of sophistication on http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/ is quite a bit below that found here in the USA lying medias. And I thought our phony medias were elementary and childlike... and so obvious... but those folks appear to be teenage fakes.

I don't believe that the people of the UK are so stupid as to swallow the phony crap and the phony operatives referenced on that site. I don't feel that every UK citizen is fooled by the trolls whining on their forum at every challenge to their constructed lies, by those fake operatives neither. Quite the contrary.

So I'm predicting another implosion very soon... this one at nineeleven.co.uk. Expect no mercy boys...
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So I'm predicting another implosion very soon... this one at nineeleven.co.uk. Expect no mercy boys...


I'm inclined to agree. It's a pretty depressing spectacle over there. I think the problem is that most of these guys have no background in activism. They therefore cannot see the big picture. It's all very new to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Shining Some Light Reply with quote

Yes, there are a few grandstanding numbskulls over there on
nineeleven.co.uk and when you are used to this forum it's a wierd
experience to step back down the previous Wink level.

But I'd rather spread the light than curse the darkness any time, and
anyway there are many more people reading than posting and they
are well capable of deciding who is being an asshole and who is making
a valuable contribution.

Think of it as outreach. I have. And I posted a couple more times.
We need to do more than just shine light here in BFN:

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Controlled Demolition

Peter Power is hardcore UK-ATB: Anti-terrorism branch.

I agree Power was trying to tell us something.
Or rather trying to sell us something.

A herring. Red in color: 'terror drill'

Peter Power is not dumb.

I should clear up this issue of the the 9/11 Truth implosion mentioned in
the intro text for the latest audio. The intro was meant for regular readers
and listeners to BreakForNews. It's a shorthand for the longer expression
coined on the fourm there:

"The Controled Demolition of the 9/11 Truth Movement"

That's a term with special significance to US listeners and readers who
are well aware what it means. So I appreciate folks in the UK did not
get the reference.

The 9/11 perps gameplan all along has been to implode the major US
websites and personalities cheerleading the 9/11 Truth issue --exactly
around the time that the GOP and GWB sufffered their electoral
defeat at the hands of the Democrats. Their plan is that the 'Oomph'
will go out of US resistance and activism because they no longer feel
they have to fight tooth and nail to defeat Bush and the Neocons.

And with that dynamic in play, they are dismantling these fake 9/11
websites and personalities coincident with that electoral defeat.

In recent months we have seen the departure of leading CIA Fakes, as I
have termed them. First Mike Ruppert of From the Wilderness, who is ill
allegedly/apparently; then Lisa Guiliani and Victor Thorn of Wing TV threw
in the towel; then the big falling out in the ST911 Scholars for 9/11 Truth;
then in recent weeks Republic Broadcasting Network collapsed.

To US 9/11 Truth followers these were significant players on the 9/11
issue. All of this has been staged in the hope of disillusioning those who
want the truth to come out. And, as I say, the perps hope is that the
whole drive for truth will implode.

The long term gameplan is to have the 9/11 issue fade away, with the
lingering suspicion that Bush, the hardcore US Military Industrial Complex
and the Neocons were responsible for 9/11. With them gone from the
scene, then the perps figure nobody would care enough any more.

Of course, these suspects are the prearranged hate figures for 9/11.

In truth it was a G8 operation, and is being covered up by the combined
intelligence services of the G8 nations. As you well know, the London 7/7
bombings took place right in the middle of the G8 Summit --giving the
G8 leaders the perfect platform to denounce the very terrorism they are
orchestrating. All part of the G8 New World Order ---a thinly disguised
attack on civil liberties in the G8 nations themselves and part of a plan
to dominate the emerging global economy.

The US powerbroker in all this is George Bush Senior. Junior is merely
his idiot son whose job it is to take the heat. Thus the relentless focus
on GWB and hence his planned defeat at the hands of the Democrats.
The Democratic elite (Clintons and Kerry et. al.) are working with Bush
Snr. and so the G8 could care less whether the Dems or GOP are in
power. The end result is always the same.

The current profile of the 9/11 issue in the UK is only to reinforce the
vague suspicion that Bush Jr. and the Neocons might have done it. That's
what the G8 want the sheeple to think. After a few more weeks of this the
isssue will be dropped entirely and you won't hear another word about
the whole thing from the controlled media. Period.

The 9/11 issue is to be a footnote in history.

That's their plan anyway, so it's up to ordinary activists to make sure
this does not succeed. Especially in the next few months. However, the
perps have a big Bird Flu thing in mind to keep the people otherwise
occupied - so watch out for that one.

In reply to posts above:

Background on me is at http://FintanDunne.com

The evidence about the CIA Fakes is here:
http://www.breakfornews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm

and most recently here:

Uncovered: The Rat's Nest of 9/11
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26

There's a lot of it. About three or fours years of in depth investigation.
But you could summarize it like this: The 9/11 perps came up with
a better idea than trying to fight the 9/11 Movement. Long before
they pulled off the Op they determined that they would not fight
the 9/11 Truth Movement.

They would ensure success by BEING the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Think about it. Then act to defeat them. I am.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=53439&sid=afa7dfbec3e5f91bc7b5a0cdbc726089#53439


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Sophistication

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rodin: To defuse this 'who's a truther and who's a shill' meme that is using up valuable time and energy I suggest we unite behind evidence that no-one can deny and form a mutually agreed case. No thermite. No beam weapons. Nothing open to debate, only facts, starting with a short list of irrefutible single events, moving on to scientific proofs and statistical analysis of 'coincidences'.

Good points in the above. Reliable evidence is what we are aiming at in
our 9/11-3i investigation.

I couldn't agree more that unravelling the shrills from the truthers uses
up "valuable time and energy" as you say. That's a big part of their
gameplan and has been built in to their defensive structure.

My 'CIA Fakes' revelations were pointing out that hardly any of them are
truthers and that the scale of the coverup crew matches the scale of the
crime.

So yes, we need to make our own minds up about what is real.

Let me say, that we are up against an intelligence operation. These are
the most cunning, devious, slippery slimeballs on the planet --with an
unlimited budget to boot. Intel Operators use false trails, confusion and
misdirection like you or I breathe in and out.

So let's look at the Israelis issue which has been smeared all over the
9/11 and 7/7 issues. False trail or reality. Personally I think it is way too
heavyhanded to be real. Way too in your face.

As a journalist, I can tell you that the word going around the journo
circles (off air and not in print) in the imediate aftermath of 9/11 was
that it was a Mossad Op. Again, way too heavyhanded to be real.
Way too in your face. The Zionists are crazy mfkers but they are
also convenient scapegoats to the mind of the average Joe.

This is bigger than just the Israelis, though they are players.
G8 summmit and 7/7 at the same time showed that.

"Bush gets live feed of first plane hit?"

Yes, true. But... Bush, Bush, Bush.
The guy is a wire-instructed idiot.
His old man is the key player.


The Great Dictator.. ..Finally Unmasks
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9905#9905

But it's a good illlustration of why we need our thinking caps on.

Yeah, agreed, Junior's talk of seeing the first strike is good evidence to
present to the average person that all is not right.

So do you make that a main point of your angle of attack?

And if you do are the G8 boys sniggering away knowing you are
smearing 9/11 on Junior --just like they wanted?

Clearly you can't point out Bush's video comment without also making
sure they know that the issue is more complex that just Bush Junior.

Like I say, this requires sophistication. Also no kneejerk emotionalism.

Otherwise you are sucked into the Intel boys clever little games.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=53714#53714
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good show yes, enjoyed listening to it at work. I had my doubts for a long time, but also im now pretty much sure about alex being deliberate and/or in the pocket on all this. The mans not stupid, but even a child would doubt this london bombings dude.. Im sure i could go back and find many other examples.

But Fintan you should play that interview he did with noam chomsky someday, or excerpts of it...dunno if you ever heard it, but that comes across as a prime example of alex and the issue of distance to the left activists. Grand Lord Chomsky gets hailed down by alex totally - funny thing is they agreed on just about everyhting throughout the show... until they come to the issue of gun control, making alex go completely mental at the end. Was quite shocked to hear that many years back, and it has always made me sceptical of him since that time, recent times its become more and more clear to me why.

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But I'd rather spread the light than curse the darkness any time, and
anyway there are many more people reading than posting and they
are well capable of deciding who is being an asshole and who is making
a valuable contribution.

Think of it as outreach. I have. And I posted a couple more times.
We need to do more than just shine light here in BFN:


As I heard on the TV once upon a childhood time: Jolly good show!
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