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elbowdeep



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Google advocates: Another thing to watch for Reply with quote

I hate to rant on for a while, but this has been really bugging me as of late... I've been watching Google, and yes, my paranoia is not at "red" level, but it is definitely at yellow when it comes to Google. With each new product they release, it just sends shivers down my spine. Doesn't anyone else see what is going on?

Let me digress...

It all started when a friend of mine "invited" me into GMAIL. Oh how nice I thought... when I created my username and password, I was amazed that my REAL NAME was already PRE FILLED. Didn't think much about it at the time... started using it, works good. No problems. Then one day I clicked on the "Invite a friend" link (or similar), and then it hit me. I was requested to fill in a form asking for the persons name, and current e-mail address. This is a very slick way to draw out information from an unsuspecting person. Especially since if I would have been asked for my "real name" and e-mail, I wouldn't have given it, and provided a secondary junk e-mail. But a FRIEND, trying to "invite" me in, would be perfectly willing to give up my name and e-mail, and this is where a root SEED, or NODE is created, with my name and e-mail as the base info.

Knowing what I know about relational databases and neural-networks, this has been eating me ever since. It looks perfectly innocent, my name and e-mail are in the system. BUT that is not all. My name, e-mail, and CONNECTION to the person who INVITED me are now linked, and so-on and so-on for everyone I invite, and everyone else that first friend invited. I wouldn't doubt that they could find x degrees of seperation between anybody they like.

Now lets assume for a minute that the "data" is being assembled into a "Neural Network" for use at a later date.

Remember all their different "products" all interrelate, because they are all tied to your gmail account, a common seed point where the info was probably offered up by a "buddy".

Let me change directions for a minute...

Now, I'll admit that I often listen to Alex Jones from time to time, to hear the "latest" chatter, but it's always bugged me that he always mentions using Google.

Since he is "super paranoid", and goes on and on about "microchipping the population into a mass control grid" (which I totally agree is happening), then don't you think he would be the first person saying NOT to use Google??, instead use something less mainstream? This, to me, adds weight to the AJ is a fake argument. I can't count the number of times he says "Just Google it".

Now, everything you search for is being logged, IP tracked, and in Googles world, you are logged into the background into GMAIL (or any other Google product where you "sign-in" (which has also got your IP). All our relationships (nodes) can be compiled into a nice little package. We could be bumped up or down a list based on the "risk" level (defined in ANY Terms they wish) of our internet habits, either e-mail, connection to others, and time spend doing certain things online like researching etc.

Check out, http://finance.google.com/finance and see for yourself how advanced their data collaboration is, drag the slide-bar, and see how it outlines news stories that have effected the stock price.

If you are "logged in" to your google account you will be able to see more information that if you are not, hmmm... if you check out a company, you can also check out the cross linked information on all it's officers, including bio's and salaries (but not if you aren't logged in). All public information, but it is all in tandem with other information gatherers like Reuters. See how all "public" info is pulled in, it is quite amazing.

I think this is just the tip of the iceburg as to what is being done in the background.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2005/05_50AR.html
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NASA and Google have signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) that outlines plans for cooperation on a variety of areas, including large-scale data management, massively distributed computing, bio-info-nano convergence, and encouragement of the entrepreneurial space industry.


So if Google is something to keep an eye out for, why are many of these 9/11 "researchers" advocating it's use?

The paranoic in me says they are creating a list. Who is connected to who. Who knows what. Who is closest to the truth, etc etc. The rational person in me, knowing what I know, is thinking the exact same thing.

If you are not following me, then consider this. Someone says over radio waves to "type XYZ into Google". So within 1 minute, a number of people type in "XYZ" into Google (the 1 minute is just a threshold, and can be adjusted via a slider in the NeuralNet interface). Now these people have all been connected with a soft connection. (As it could have been pure coincidence that another person typed in XYZ at the same time). Now WHAT IF the person doing the asking, was being fed the "key words" that are very specific, and the people who then typed it in are now esentially "revealing" themselves, because this isn't a soft connection any more. If the search term the originator is requesting you to search for is VERY UNIQUE, then boy, the "shureness" of the link/node goes up.

Seeing the latest images of the new Google center with the "cooling towers for the servers" just makes my skin crawl. This place is willing to reveal how many chickens their staff eat, yet won't give out any useful info on how they actually do what they do.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1648964/posts
(not sure of the contents of the above link, just found the photos there)

In a nutshell, anytime I hear one of these "NWO/Globalists are watching everything you do" people go on about "Just Google it", my alarm bells start ringing. Anytime I hear ANYONE tell me to "google" some specific set of words, I think twice. They could be adding you to the list.

It's obvious I don't believe the "Google vs USGov on privacy issues" news stories that keep coming out. It is obviously a charade.

I could go on and on with the technical side of this, but I've tried to keep it as short as I can. Everything you do IS BEING LINKED.

Sorry for the rant. Love to hear your comments.
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DeepLogos



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great analysis. I share your concerns regarding Google, especially as it pertains to the Gmail "features" you mention. Watching how they have grown and expanded especially the last year, the companies they have formed alliances with (Nasa, AOL Time Warner, Sun Microsystems) and the plephora of "seductive" services they provide is very alarming. They throw services at you at a speed that few software companies can rival, slowly but certainly implementing itself as a service that people just can't live without.

Are we watching the birth of a new Microsoft, only the other way around? While Microsoft is the "king" of the desktop, and trying to establish itself as a search alternative, Goolge has become the search-king, and is now eating its way into your desktop. Google has created/ cocreated powerful desktop software and services lately, which of course will become much better before the launch of Vista later this year, and will "seduce" people even more. Google Earth, Google Video, Picasa, Google Desktop, Google talk, Translating services, Gmail, Froogle, Google.org , Finance, AdSense, Mobile services and a host of different search features will develope, I feel into something even more coherent and potentially scary in the years to follow. Teaming up with Blogger, Firefox, Norton, Adobe and Real is also a way of capitalizing on markeds already established. Google has also purchased the radio advertisment company dMark, and is experimenting with ads in printed media.

Staying pop and funny is also a way of capturing the audience:

Wikipedia wrote:
April Fool's Day jokes
Main article: Google's hoaxes
Google has a tradition of creating April Fool's Day jokes such as Google MentalPlex, which featured the use of mental power to search the web. In 2002, they claimed that pigeons were the secret behind their growing search engine. In 2004, it featured Google Lunar, which featured jobs on the moon, and in 2005, a fictitious brain-boosting drink, termed Google Gulp, was announced. In 2006, they came up with Google Romance. One can find other pranks hidden between Google's pages. Additionally, in the languages list one can find the Bork! Bork! Bork! version, imitating the Muppet Show's Swedish Chef. They also offer versions in Pig Latin, Elmer Fudd, Klingon, and a Leet (or h4x0r) version of Google. Some people thought the announcement of Gmail in 2004 around April Fool's Day (as well as the doubling of Gmail's storage space to two gigabytes in 2005) was a joke. In 2005, featured on the Gmail homepage, was a comedic graph depicting Google's goal of "infinity plus one" GB.


With the resent Macromedia purchase by Adobe, it will not surprice me if further "mergers" will occur.

All this will exponetially increase Googles power, and with their "Great Firewall of China" sensor project, they have shown a willingness to go in a direction that is detrimental to the overall freedom of exchange of information.

As with the establishment of any big structure, it will ultimately lead to something that on the surface will look like excellent but which really is a way of shaping tomorrow in a way that is not beneficiary to the freedom of exchange, privacy and the public in general.

I am constantly looking for alternatives to these services, but I must admit (arrrgh) that some of them are interesting and good services. Alternative to OS, software and services should always be on our mind, because anything else only advance the big-corp idea of hegemony and control over human habits and hence a big part of our lives.

If you don't believe me, just Google it... Wink

Google Cheat sheet: http://www.adelaider.com/google/

Maybe we shoud use elgooG in stead: http://elgoog.rb-hosting.de/index.cgi Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it. What does all this mean?

I'll get spammed with more junk mail?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally couldn't have said it better myself DeepLogos.

The number of avenues they are taking is incredible. Each on their own can be argued to be benign, but when you start to look at the services being CONNECTED together (which is what they are), a mind bending system of interconnected "pieces" of info (which together paints quite a detailed picture of each account holder)

See this also. http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=17&artnum=1&issue=20060621
The "cash replacement" service worries me as well.

The introduction of GPAY will be one of the final icings on the cake.

Why aren't the NWO watchers avoiding exposing Google and all it's tentacles? Instead they are are avoiding it altogether. Could this be a very crafty way to misdirect the unsuspecting?

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I don't get it. What does all this mean?
I'll get spammed with more junk mail?


I don't think you'll get more junk mail. That would just give you an idea of how your info is being used. It would be too obvious to track back to the source. I think their power is waiting quietly in the wings. The exposers of the NWO keep distracting us with telling us what is GOING to happen, in the FUTURE, but I believe that what they are talking about is already here. Their "it's coming" message is just a distraction.

Lets keep an eye out for any further developments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elbowdeep wrote:
The paranoic in me says they are creating a list. Who is connected to who. Who knows what. Who is closest to the truth, etc etc. The rational person in me, knowing what I know, is thinking the exact same thing.


Not to worry. Hillary's on it - she'll make sure nobody drops eaves on your privates.

Quote:

Hillary Clinton Calls for Privacy Bill


By DEVLIN BARRETT

WASHINGTON Jun 16, 2006 (AP)— Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, drawing on her experiences as a young Watergate lawyer who decades later was investigated as first lady, urged creation of a "privacy bill of rights" Friday to protect people's personal data.

"Modern life makes many things easier and many things easier to know, and yet privacy is somehow caught in the crosshairs of these changes," Clinton said in a speech to a left-leaning legal group.

Clinton's speech on protecting consumers from identity theft and citizens from government snooping was the latest in a series of talks billed as "major addresses" by aides. Previous speeches were on energy and the economy.

A potential presidential candidate in 2008 whose eight years as first lady were marked by numerous investigations, Clinton noted her work on a House committee investigating the Nixon administration's illegal snooping and other abuses.

And she ruefully called herself an "expert" in the loss of privacy.

"Having lost so much of my own privacy in recent years I have a deep appreciation of its value and a firm commitment to protecting it for all the rest of you," she said, prompting laughter from the audience of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

Clinton wants to create a "privacy czar" within the White House to guard against recent problems like the theft of personal data from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

She also wants legislation to let consumers know what information companies are keeping about them and how it is used, and create a tiered system of penalties for companies who are not careful with consumer data.

Clinton also waded into the debate over anti-terror eavesdropping. For months Democrats have hammered at the Bush administration over the National Security Agency's program of domestic wiretapping without warrants from judges. The administration insists it is both legal and necessary.

Clinton said any president should have the latest technology to track terrorists, but within laws that provide for oversight by judges.

"The administration's refrain has been, "Trust us,'" said Clinton. "That's unacceptable. Their track record doesn't warrant our trust. … Unchecked mass surveillance without judicial review may sometimes be legal but it is dangerous. Every president should save those powers for limited critical situations."

From: ABC News: Hillary Clinton Calls for Privacy Bill
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2085405


Whew. At least she'll save the 'unchecked mass surveillance' for 'limited critical situations.' So it looks like we're safe for now, but boy, things were getting dicey there for a while:

Quote:

Is the NSA spying on U.S. Internet traffic?
Salon exclusive: Two former AT&T employees say the telecom giant has maintained a secret, highly secure room in St. Louis since 2002. Intelligence experts say it bears the earmarks of a National Security Agency operation.

Kim Zetter / Salon | June 22 2006

In a pivotal network operations center in metropolitan St. Louis, AT&T has maintained a secret, highly secured room since 2002 where government work is being conducted, according to two former AT&T workers once employed at the center.

From: Is the NSA spying on U.S. Internet traffic?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/220606NSA.htm


I used the PP link cause Salon invites you to the data mine dance if you want the whole article. They apparently don't love liberty like AJ, who posts the whole article free. Speaking of which, if you're worried about your online privacy, that your ISP might be a corporate shill in bed with intel surveillance, marketing your porn preferences or tracking your fertilizer purchases, AJ has an affordable, freedom loving solution where of course, privacy always comes first....

Quote:

the infowars network

Infowars grew out of documentary filmmaker and radio talk-show host Alex Jones' commitment to fight the tyrannical forces of Globalism and Its Big Brother Activities.

Mega-Global corporations like AOL-TimeWarner are openly supportive of anti-American policies against the Second Amendment, National Sovereignty and privacy. They have become nothing more than giant regulatory snooping arms for the Globalists.

Many of the big ISPs provide shoddy service with incessant hang-ups, kicking their users offline, and many of their services cost more than smaller ISPs. It seems all the big companies have to offer is lots of hype and advertisements.

Why give your hard-earned money to companies working against the national interest of America? Infowars.net fights against monopoly capitalism whilst supporting the Constitution and Bill of Rights 110 %.

Make no mistake, there is a battle for the sovereignty of our Constitutional Republic. It is vital that Americans support companies that defend freedom and boycott those that don't.

Infowars.net is your freedom and privacy oriented ISP. We offer high-quality Internet services at very competitive prices, and most importantly, with infowars.net privacy is paramount! We don't sell the names of our customers to marketing firms or the government. We also bring you daily news updates covering the most important issues in our world today.

INFOWARS.NET IS POWERED BY ROVIN.NET,
PROVIDING OUR CUSTOMERS WITH 24 HOUR TECH SUPPORT!

From: Alex Jones' Infowars.net
http://www.infowars.net/front.html


See, even a patriot like AJ knows we have to protect ourselves from the giant regulatory Snoopy! Bless that man and his bullhorn!

Ok, I'm being sarcastic. Surprise!

Not to belittle your concern, but I don't really think anybody gives a crap what you google. In fact, as long as your face is pressed against the screen and your attention lost inside a land of 'neural networks' I think you're considered pretty harmless, regardless of how much potentially dissident information you're 'learning'. It's the new TV, and the internet 'spying' routine only convinces the gullible that there truly is 'sensitive' information available on the internet. There isn't, and what is there is planted and managed by a network of 'alternative left' gatekeepers in charge of keeping the 'conspiracy' current flowing against the mainstream propaganda while establishment agendas continue downstream calmly beneath the whitewater. The internet is just as much a tool for 'them' as 'us', and they want us on it as much as possible.

I think the emphasis on 'search engine data' and 'email snooping' is to deflect attention from other 'real world' means of surveillance that are the real indicators of who you are and what you're up to, namely, financial transactions, media consumption (i.e. Tivo), wireless services, traffic surveillance, and energy consumption. Try going through an entire day without turning on an electrical appliance, picking up a phone, changing a channel, driving a car, etc. In fact, I think if you tried it for a week or so, that's when the lights flash and the siren sounds over at those 'NSA spying' centers.

If you have 'investments', you like to keep an eye on them, right? Make sure their value is increasing, in case somebody fooled you into putting your money in some 'bad stock'. You like to see quarterly earnings reports with dividends all totaled up, and a per share performance value of each stock. Those cattle ranchers also keep track of their 'livestock', cause they want to make sure they're getting fat and valuable, and they need numbers to prove it cause there's too many cows to count every day - so they 'traffic' them babies through a gate and have a machine count each one as they pass.

If perhaps, by some unbelievable conspiracy, your body and labor were actually under corporate 'ownership' and they were being loaned to you as an employee, well the CEO would want to see a report that these equipment 'loans' were being used properly and profitably for the company. From your perspective, they are 'snooping' on you, from their perspective, they're just keeping track of their investments, cause that's how they decide what they're worth in tradable value.

The 'privacy threat' raised by this NSA hooey is to condition the populace to believe they still have some sort of 'privacy' to threaten. To justify regular old investment analysis, without telling the investment, and to further solidify the charade of 'privacy' those ter'ists certainly come in handy.

Not to mention the words 'private' and 'public' have curiously reversed meanings when used in a courtroom... but that's another rant. Whenever a term becomes a political 'buzzword' in the media, I suggest looking that word up in a law dictionary.

Sorry for the scattered rant, but I guess what I'm really trying to say is this.

I don't think anybody gives a rats ass what you google, or what you think, as long as you stay inside the pasture fence and continue eating as much as you can. The 'personal privacy' issue is a psyop designed to make you think you have some.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll probably venture off topic again but hey, what's new for me. Just going with the flow. Wink

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
Not to belittle your concern, but I don't really think anybody gives a crap what you google. In fact, as long as your face is pressed against the screen and your attention lost inside a land of 'neural networks' I think you're considered pretty harmless, regardless of how much potentially dissident information you're 'learning'. It's the new TV, and the internet 'spying' routine only convinces the gullible that there truly is 'sensitive' information available on the internet. There isn't, and what is there is planted and managed by a network of 'alternative left' gatekeepers in charge of keeping the 'conspiracy' current flowing against the mainstream propaganda while establishment agendas continue downstream calmly beneath the whitewater. The internet is just as much a tool for 'them' as 'us', and they want us on it as much as possible.


So true. In fact it's probably only when you notice articles changed, or web pages being altered or even removed that you have come across info that is toooo truthful. But then again it could be just another psyop game.

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
I think the emphasis on 'search engine data' and 'email snooping' is to deflect attention from other 'real world' means of surveillance that are the real indicators of who you are and what you're up to, namely, financial transactions, media consumption (i.e. Tivo), wireless services, traffic surveillance, and energy consumption. Try going through an entire day without turning on an electrical appliance, picking up a phone, changing a channel, driving a car, etc. In fact, I think if you tried it for a week or so, that's when the lights flash and the siren sounds over at those 'NSA spying' centers.


This is the big one Jerry that you have hit on. The other day our group explored the idea of working out just how big a part energy played in the production of the products we buy. The example we used was a carton of breakfast cereal. I don't recall all of the paths along the way but some of them include the energy to:
    Sow the seeds/crop
    Maintain the crop
    Harvest the crop
    Transport to storage
    Transport to distribution centres
    Transport to supermarket
    Transport customer to shop

Now of course you could further expand each of these. The energy to:
    Make the farming machinery
    Make the fertilizer (organic of course)
    Make the storage facility
    Make the distribution centres
    Make the supermarket
    Make the packaging for the product
    Make the ink for the packaging of the product
    Make the clothes worn by the customer
    Build the house/shelter lived in by the customer
    Build the appliances in the house/shelter lived in by the customer
    Producer the fuel used by the farmer/transport companies/customer

    And on and on and on....

And this barely touches the surface of all the associated links concerned with 1 carton of breakfast cereal.

Is this one area, energy production, a big enough money spinner to keep the monopoly going? Now that is a no brainer.

So whether or not there is 'free energy' is a mute point. The fact is that we have all been so conditioned to believe that energy works in a specific fashion that we are generally blind to alternatives anyway. Which just so happens that it coincides with our dependance on 'fossil' fuels.

Take the example of the automobile. We have been told that in order to keep the fuel burning one needs a spark plug to ignite the fuel. What if I were to tell you that I've seen evidence that once started, a particular automobile can be disconnected in such a way that the spark plug is doing nothing whilst the motor continues to run and in fact some cases is difficult to shut down.

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
If you have 'investments', you like to keep an eye on them, right? Make sure their value is increasing, in case somebody fooled you into putting your money in some 'bad stock'. You like to see quarterly earnings reports with dividends all totaled up, and a per share performance value of each stock. Those cattle ranchers also keep track of their 'livestock', cause they want to make sure they're getting fat and valuable, and they need numbers to prove it cause there's too many cows to count every day - so they 'traffic' them babies through a gate and have a machine count each one as they pass.

So long as they don't increase toooo much. We wouldn't you totally free of the system now would we.
Jerry Fletcher wrote:
If perhaps, by some unbelievable conspiracy, your body and labor were actually under corporate 'ownership' and they were being loaned to you as an employee, well the CEO would want to see a report that these equipment 'loans' were being used properly and profitably for the company. From your perspective, they are 'snooping' on you, from their perspective, they're just keeping track of their investments, cause that's how they decide what they're worth in tradable value.

The 'privacy threat' raised by this NSA hooey is to condition the populace to believe they still have some sort of 'privacy' to threaten. To justify regular old investment analysis, without telling the investment, and to further solidify the charade of 'privacy' those ter'ists certainly come in handy.

Not to mention the words 'private' and 'public' have curiously reversed meanings when used in a courtroom... but that's another rant. Whenever a term becomes a political 'buzzword' in the media, I suggest looking that word up in a law dictionary.

Now your going too far Jerry, next you'll be telling me that we don't need to pay taxes...What's that... the living breathing man doesn't need to pay taxes...but the person does...right I see. Wink

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
Sorry for the scattered rant, but I guess what I'm really trying to say is this.

I don't think anybody gives a rats ass what you google, or what you think, as long as you stay inside the pasture fence and continue eating as much as you can. The 'personal privacy' issue is a psyop designed to make you think you have some.

Yes, they don't very much care about what we think because generally, being the predictable and easily programable cattle that we are, they've already anticipated how we will respond anyway. But what they would be concerned about is when we start to overturn and overide their lies, and begin choosing without fear.

That's when our party begins. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally...
Truthdig wrote:
In Google, Yahoo, Should We Trust?
A Dig led by Mark Malseed
It’s time we started asking better questions about our queries.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


An unsettling reality has begun to descend on the millions of fans and devotees of the Internet giants Google and Yahoo: They know an awful lot about us.

Every Google search ever typed, every Yahoo news article ever read—all are logged and stored indefinitely in these companies’ massive databases. Think about that for a moment. We whisper a lot into the ears of these shadowy search engines, including plenty of secrets that we’d want to keep from our spouses and kids. And we do so without ever bothering to check what is being done with that information.

If you don’t already know, let me be the first to tell you: Google, Yahoo and their less-well-known brethren are keeping tabs on what is being searched, viewed and clicked on, all across their sprawling Web empires.

You know all those e-mails you’ve sent using free services such as Yahoo Mail or Google’s Gmail? They are kept for posterity on company servers, even in cases when they have been deleted from users’ accounts. And instant messages? A new service from Google leaves a digital record long after the conversations have been forgotten. Driving directions? Not only do Google and Yahoo know the way to our intended destination, they also know that we probably made the trip. (We all but told them we were going, didn’t we?)

Searches are not by default linked to our names—only to an Internet address or a unique browser ID. But armed with that information, investigators and sometimes the companies themselves can make the crucial link to our names and addresses.

Existing laws offer fewer protections for data and e-mail communications stored by a third party than for the contents of someone’s personal computer. And though there are gray areas in the law, this much is clear: plenty of what the search engines have amassed about us may be obtained without a wiretap or search warrant.


An opinionated piece without much reference, but anyway...

My concern is the growth of Google. Google in itself may be a distraction as it pertains to spying, it could be they supply info to someone, or acts as an interface for something less sinister (if you consider big.corp/ big-pharma /big-anything) not worth being concerned with. Big bucks and intelligence goes hand in hand these days, and probably always has. Keeping an eye on them, even if it is through 'the new TV', is worthwhile in my eyes. Intelligence uses big-corp (money) and Big Corp uses intelligence. I cannot help but worry. Everything cannot always be "reduced"/ condenced to a psyop, because that in itself can be a psyop. Being aware of this is useful.

A couple of articles:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/9745
http://www.xblock.com/articles/article_show.php?id=74

Metasearch:
Search: http://www.metasearch.com/www2search.cgi?p=google+%2B+privacy+%2B+spying&l=20&s=o

An alternative: http://www.scroogle.org/ Wink

As for spying on us officially....

ALittleListOverWhatNSA/EchelonWasScanningForIn1998?(hearsay)...IfIremoveTheSpacesBetweenWordsAndCommas,WillThatHelpUs? Wink

How long is the list (what words) now, and how much more advanced is the technology now?

How does this technology work, and how encompassing is it really? I have heard so many rumors, from "we monitor everything" to NSA/GCHQ (examples) incompetence?

If we want more oversight over intelligence activities (one of the largest political parties in Norway advocates this now...Hmmm), how do we balance the unnessecary spying with that of monitoring things that are of an obvious illegal nature?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_surveillance

And how does Wikipedia play into this? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Goverment Mail Reply with quote

I had a GMail account right from the start but when i started to hear the story's about it been Goverment Twisted Evil Mail i never used it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeepLogos wrote:
how do we balance the unnessecary spying with that of monitoring things that are of an obvious illegal nature?


If there were no spies, I wonder how many things of an obvious illegal nature would be left to monitor?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any alternatives to Google besides Yahoo?????????
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: MetaCrawler Reply with quote

You could try MetaCrawler:

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It searches Google, Yahoo, MSN and Ask.
Pretty good. Image search too.
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