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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi Fintan

here are two links

global warming and the moon landings (sort of)

http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/SummaryPrelimReport.html

SUMMARY OF PRELIMINARY REPORT
The Right Climate Stuff Research Team

and

NASA:CO2 helps regulates Earth temperature

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

Solar Storm Dumps Gigawatts into Earth's Upper Atmosphere


“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this explains the cold weather we've been having lately?
Anyway, a shift of 161km in 6 months - that's pretty freaky!! Shocked
If it's true?



"magnetic north pole has moved 161 miles in 6 months only, this puts its arrival in siberia in less that 2 years, and it is when it arrives there that it will have migrated 40 degrees across the northern hemisphere at this point the poles will shift at high speed over the equator until it reaches 40 degrees south, ..."

I wonder what Piers Corbyn ( http://www.weatheraction.com/ ) has to say about it all?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Losing your (magnetic) North Reply with quote

While the earth's magnetic field must have an influence on GCR incidence, the relation to weather is tenuous at best.
The on-going reversal of the magnetic field is problematic but more for navigation, mutation and migration than much else.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GCR - Galactic Cosmic Rays - Ahhh, I suppose it was obvious! Wink

161 km North East of here puts me in The Bay of Biscay! Brrrr...
"Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies ..."
At this rate I'll be in Norway after about 10 years or where it used to be!
Reminds me of that scene from the 2012 movie where China moved near to L.A. - which was handy 'cos they didn't have much fuel left.

Is it colder 161 kms North East of you? Not much maybe, but if we keep sliding?
Oh well, I suppose it must be getting warmer somewhere down South!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is the last few years of NHemi cooling
is driven by low solar activity plus multi-decadal Atlantic
and Pacific sea currents.

I looked into north polar magnetec drift before
and couldn't find justification for claimed doom.

Partly because:

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North Magnetic Pole has moved all over the place over the last few
thousand years
. In general, it moves back and forth between northern
Canada and Siberia. But it also can veer sideways.

"There is a lot of variability in the polar motion," Stoner pointed out...
http://phys.org/news8917.html


Also because even if anything significant
was going on, it's no problem because:

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"Reversals typically take about 10,000 years to happen," said Jeffrey
Love of the U.S. Geological Survey. "And 10,000 years ago civilisation
did not exist. These processes are slow, and therefore we don't have
anything to worry about."
http://rlu.ru/u6o


And we have a pretty good handle on why
the fast deviations in mag north happen:

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According to some recent models, plumes of less dense fluid form at
the inner core boundary and subsequently rise within [a cylinder] whose
central axis is the Earth’s rotation axis
.

Such plumes undergo a strong helical motion due to the Earth’s rapid
rotation, a phenomenon also observed in laboratory experiments with
water. In the core, helical plumes advect and twist the magnetic field
lines, forming what scientists call "polar magnetic upwellings."
http://rlu.ru/u6p


The truth is wierd and wonderful:

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They've also learned what happens during a magnetic flip. Reversals take
a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to
popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish.

"It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force
near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop
up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over
Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti.

Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects
us from space radiation and solar storms
.

http://rlu.ru/u6q


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: For every reason, turn, turn, turn. Reply with quote

The only real issue is during those transitions, at those specific locations, the field must drop to zero for a definite period of time. That means no protection from incident radiation save for the atmosphere (in itself a decent shield) during those periods. Aurorae observers will have a field day Wink

As far as magnetic changes inducing crustal slips, polar flips and other speculative planetary motions..... very little evidence available.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the latest IPCC report is out and no comments yet?

well, here one from one of Fintan's favorite Irish buddies Very Happy

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/342876/Sir-Bob-Geldof-All-humans-will-die-before-2030

Sir Bob Geldof: 'All humans will die before 2030'

SIR BOB GELDOF has declared we ALL have less than 17 years to live.

"“We may not get to 2030. We need to address the problem of climate change urgently”
Sir Bob Geldof

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, AR5 has, according to Anthony Watts of WUWT fame, "arrived stillborn".

Dr. Richard Lindzen referred to the IPCC as:

" The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence’ — ‘It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going’

Dr. Judith Curry stated:

Given the widespread nature of the infection and intrinsic motivated reasoning. We need to put down the IPCC as soon as possible'

Perhaps the most flagrant example is examined by Steve McIntyre. A peer-reviewed graph that clearly showed the lack of recent warming AND how almost all of the IPCC models failed to account for it, was changed at the last minute by the political sausage-making of the Summary for Policy Makers. They have been caught red-handed yet again...

http://climateaudit.org/2013/09/30/ipcc-disappears-the-discrepancy/

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: International Pecuniary Collection Commission Reply with quote

The entire exposé is quite accurate and interesting.

At about 33 minutes in, Dr. Tim Ball explains how the the IPCC was created and operates. A classic boondoggle.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: If at first you don't.... Reply with quote

The classic "politicization" of science to suit agenda...



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you've been saying this for already quite some time Fintan....

article;
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/on-the-coldest-day-in-america-in-20-years-here-are-al-gores-stupidest-global-warming-quotes

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On The Coldest Day In America In 20 Years, Here Are Al Gore’s Stupidest Global Warming Quotes
By Michael Snyder, on January 5th, 2014

America could actually use some global warming right about now. It is being projected that low temperatures across the Midwest could be 30 to 50 degrees below average on Monday morning. On Sunday, fans that attempted to tailgate before the playoff game between the 49ers and the Packers at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin were discovering that their beers were actually turning to ice before they could drink them. That is cold. But things are going to get really chilly when nightfall arrives. In fact, it is being projected that much of the nation will experience wind chill temperatures of more than 40 degrees below zero, and wind chill temperatures of more than 50 degrees below zero are expected in parts of North Dakota and Minnesota. The weather is expected to be so cold that the governor of Minnesota has actually decided to close public schools statewide on Monday. The last time that happened was back in 1997.
This is being called the coldest day in America in 20 years, and these cold temperatures have many Americans wondering what ever happened to all of that “global warming” that Al Gore and other “climate scientists” have been warning us about for so many years.
We present 10 of Al Gore’s all-time stupidest global warming quotes…

If the planet really is getting significantly warmer, our winters should not be like this. Back in the year 2000, one prominent “climate scientist” boldly declared that future generations of children “just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
Oh really?

The truth is that you don’t have to be a “climate scientist” to understand what is happening to the weather. All you need is a little common sense.
Back in September, I warned that this was going to be “an extremely bitterly cold winter“. I wrote another article that warned about how cold this winter would be in early December.

Right now we are witnessing cold temperatures that we have not seen in decades. The following is the way that one meteorologist put it…
“If you’re under 40 (years old), you’ve not seen this stuff before.”
Another meteorologist wanted people to understand just how dangerous this kind of cold weather can be…

“A person not properly dressed could die easily in those conditions.”
To get an idea of just how cold it is up in Minnesota today, just check out the following anecdote that was reported by the BBC…

Firemen tackling a blaze in Minneapolis, where temperatures have been below -20C, saw the spray from their hoses turn to ice as it hit the building.

And it is even colder up in Canada. Things are so cold up in Ontario that “frost quakes” have become very common…

While America collectively freaks out over their impending ‘polar vortex’, Canada is changing the game when it comes to cold weather phenomenon as reports of ‘frost quakes’ emerge from around Toronto and Ontario.
Indeed, as temperatures drop overnight to around -4f around the city hundreds of people are being startled by hearing large booms – causing them to think their homes are being broken into or gunshots are being fired.

In fact, they are merely hearing the after-effects of the frost quakes – or cryoseism – which are more commonly found on a glacier in the polar regions.

So are we really experiencing “global warming”?
Of course not.
If anything, things are actually getting colder.
What the United States and Canada are experiencing right now is making global warming alarmists such as Al Gore look quite foolish. The following are 10 of Al Gore’s stupidest global warming quotes…




#1 In 2008, Al Gore boldly declared to a German audience that “the entire North ‘polarized’ cap will disappear in 5 years.” (Needless to say, that did not happen. In fact, the ice cap in the Arctic actually got larger this year.)

#2 “CO2 is the exhaling breath of our civilization, literally. … Changing that pattern requires a scope, a scale, a speed of change that is beyond what we have done in the past.” (Actually, without carbon dioxide life on earth would not exist.)

#3 “The planet has a fever. If your baby has a fever, you go to the doctor. If the doctor says you need to intervene here, you don’t say, ‘Well, I read a science fiction novel that told me it’s not a problem.’ If the crib’s on fire, you don’t speculate that the baby is flame retardant. You take action.” (It sounds like what Al Gore really needs is more cowbell.)

#4 During a speech at NYU Law School in 2006, Al Gore made the following statement: “Many scientists are now warning that we are moving closer to several “tipping points” that could — within as little as 10 years — make it impossible for us to avoid irretrievable damage to the planet’s habitability for human civilization.”

#5 “Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real.”

#6 “The interior of the earth is extremely hot – several million degrees.” (It actually peaks out at about 11,000 degrees.)

#7 “There is an air of unreality in debating these arcane points when the world is changing in such dramatic ways right in front of our eyes because of global warming.”

#8 “It would be an enormous relief if the recent attacks on the science of global warming actually indicated that we do not face an unimaginable calamity requiring large-scale, preventive measures to protect human civilization as we know it.”

#9 “The survival of the United States of America as we know it is at risk. And even more — if more should be required — the future of human civilization is at stake.”

#10 “We ought to approach this challenge [of global warming] with a sense of profound joy and gratitude: that we are the generation about which, a thousand years from now, philharmonic orchestras and poets and singers will celebrate by saying, they were the ones that found it within themselves to solve this crisis and lay the basis for a bright and optimistic human future.”


As time goes by, the scientific evidence continues to mount. It is becoming painfully evident that the theory of man-made global warming simply is not true. The following is from a recent New American article…
Well, 2013 is almost over, and contrary to the alarmist “predictions” by Gore and what critics refer to as his “doomsday cult,” the latest satellite data show that Arctic ice cover has actually expanded 50 percent over 2012 levels. In fact, during October, sea-ice levels grew at the fastest pace since records began in 1979. Experts predict the expansion to continue in the years to come, leaving global-warming alarmists scrambling fiendishly for explanations to save face — and to revive the rapidly melting climate hysteria.

In September, meanwhile, data also showed that sea ice levels in Antarctica had expanded to record levels for the second year in a row. Of course, by now, virtually everyone who has been following news about “global warming” — now more often referred to as “climate change” owing to public-relations concerns — also knows that global temperatures have not risen for some 17 years. The spectacular lack of warming demolished all 73 of the “climate models” used by the United Nations to push its controversial theories.

Sadly, most of the governments of the planet still consider “man-made global warming” to be one of the greatest threats facing us, and the U.S. government is leading the charge. In fact, the U.S. government has been giving other nations billions of dollars to help them cope with “climate change”…
American taxpayers spent $7.45 billion to help developing countries cope with climate change in fiscal years 2010 through 2012, according to a federal government report submitted to the United Nations on a subject that Secretary of State John Kerry described as “a truly life-and-death challenge.”
And it appears that Barack Obama plans to make the fight against global warming a major point of emphasis for the rest of his time in office…
When President Obama leaves office three years from now, the major policy story of his second term — barring some kind of unforeseen invasion — is likely to be climate change. I made this argument at feature length last year, and the evidence continues to mount. Coral Davenport reports today about Secretary of State John Kerry’s “systematic, top-down push to create an agencywide focus on global warming.”
Considering the host of other major problems that this country is facing, it truly is ironic that the federal government is spending so much time and energy fighting a problem that doesn’t even exist.
Speaking of ironic, a team of “climate change scientists” that had recently gone down to the Antarctic to study “global warming” had to be rescued by helicopter when their ship got stranded in the ice…

A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change.
The Russian ship, Akademic Shokalskiy, was stranded in the ice while on a climate change research expedition, yet nearly 98 percent of network news reports about the stranded researchers failed to mention their mission at all. Forty out of 41 stories (97.5 percent) on the network morning and evening news shows since Dec. 25 failed to mention climate change had anything to do with the expedition.
In fact, rather than point out the mission was to find evidence of climate change, the networks often referred to the stranded people as “passengers,” “trackers” and even “tourists,” without a word about climate change or global warming.

Yes, the climate of the earth is changing. Throughout history it has always been changing. Most of that change is due to fluctuations in the gigantic ball of fire that our planet is revolving around.
But the idea that carbon dioxide is going to “destroy the planet” is ludicrous. Without carbon dioxide we would all die.
And the notion that “man-made global warming” is the “greatest threat” that humanity is facing is absolutely laughable.
Sadly, nothing seems to dissuade the true believers. Not even days like today.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a Polar vortex? Was this weather maker label with us all the time - or is it a new manifestation of weather terminology? Never heard of this before...

Death toll rises from North American “polar vortex”
Matthew MacEgan | 8 January 2014 | WSW


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The “polar vortex” which has assaulted North America over the past several days has left hundreds of thousands of people without major utilities, and reports of deaths are trickling in to news outlets across both the United States and Canada. The lack of adequate infrastructure that has exacerbated the weather’s impact has proved the most devastating for ever-growing homeless populations.

A polar vortex is a pool of counter-clockwise rotating air that forms over the North Pole or other polar regions. While the condition usually remains in the far northern regions of Canada, this particular incarnation was felt as far south as Florida and as far east as Great Britain due to a “kink” that developed in the vortex’s winds. This vortex is already the second major storm system to pummel the United States’ Midwest and Northeast since the beginning of the New Year. The first caused at least 19 deaths and was responsible for thousands of flight cancellations and power outages.

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