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skinters



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for clean energy, and a cleaner environment, but to think any kind of measures can stop change or reverse something as powerful and varied as climate is having a laugh. Its incredibly arrogant.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, but of course they know that, this is just a scam, whatever was or was not agreed, they will be syphoning off over a hundred billion each from the west, they will be introducing new environmental taxes, will be making it increasingly tough for people to own their own transport, they will be introducing smart meters into this country, they are banning wood stoves in America, they have already banned non mercury lights in Europe, whether it can occur or not, the proposal to ban washing machines I believe is a real one because we are slipping deeper into totalitarian control.

These policies and initiatives are already be implemented at both a local and regional level. Therefore perhaps part of the reason for publicising events such as COP 21 is to provide the perception to both the opposition that "we are winning" and to the environmentalist crowd "they are getting things done and reacting" to mask the fact that they are just simply slowly rolling out policy which was drawn up a long time ago.

Some 5 years ago whilst my nephew was in his last year of school, they were treated to a video showing what the future will look like in terms of fighting global warming/climate change and within that video everyone has a carbon card and those that don't pollute get lots more credits than those "nasty" polluters.

They showed that video to young and impressionable minds because of the fact that they are introducing them to their future.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:57 pm    Post subject: a King-sized problem Reply with quote

A triumph for propaganda and sheer gumption. Keep lying and make the lies bigger and bigger. No one (in the mainstream media for the most part) is protesting loudly enough to draw attention to the holes that exist in the narrative, as large as they are.
Back in the 70s, Schneider et al (at NCAR) held the position that [CO2] could not "save" the planet from the cooling caused by sulfate aerosols that was leading us into the next ice-age. When that cooling trend reversed into the 80s and 90s, Maurice Strong, Al Gore and Houghton (IPCC) called for computer models to predict (oops! PROJECT) doom and gloom scenarios based on ever rising temps. They rigged the only game in town and the suckers went for it, hook, line and sinker.
We just have to keep plugging away at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies of their "science". We shall overcome, some day...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wish things were looking good on the climate front but they don't; that's where these people come in:

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“An Unconventional Shade of Grey” is a call to action film. We are currently moving forward with the Aerosol Collection Project where we are taking airplanes into the aerosol plumes and testing the contaminants. Positive tests will provide us with inarguable court admissible evidence proving that geoengineering is occurring and changing/manipulating our climate. Our goals are to expand the aerosol collection project and then bring evidence into courts around the world with the goal of reversing climate agreements, related laws and mandates and thus; stopping geoengineering. It is only then that we can determine weather the planet is warming or cooling. Again, if the climate agreement is passed, it will provide the framework to legalize geoengineering programs worldwide without our input and remove our ability to take legal and legislative action. Proving that climate models are incorrect (due to ongoing geoengineering) is the most effective way to stop these damaging programs. Demanding that all climate related legislation is halted until our air is free from geoengineering is the only way to prove any accuracy of climate models. It literally forces those who are supportive of climate change legislation to support stopping geoengineering. We have the airplane, collection devices and scientific team.

We absolutely need your support to bring this information to the masses
We have the airplane, collection devices and scientific team. We need your support to pay for the flight and to document this historic test and project.

“An Unconventional Shade of Grey” is a call to action film that is expected to provide the data and call to action plan to the word. Because a collective effort is required, we need your support. Please go to: www.unconventionalgrey.com to learn how you can become and Angel and/or Pre-order the film. This is how we were able to fund and wake millions of people up around the world with “WHAT and WHY in the World are They Spraying?” Be a part of the film and process that will stop geoengineering for good!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN3iWeUY_wM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.unconventionalgrey.com/

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find Plato.

Look up:

- Global Dimming
- Soil PH levels
- Geo engineered contents of rainwater samples
- Ice nucleation for weather modification http://www.google.com/patents/US3899129
- Weather derivatives http://www.economist.com/node/21546019
- Ionospheric Heater (many around the world) http://www.google.com/patents/US5038664 and Artificial Ionospheric Mirror (AIM) http://www.google.com/patents/US5041834
- Emerging fungal threats to animal, plant and ecosystem health http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7393/full/nature10947.html
- Abiotic stresses cause fungal increase? http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/62/14/4731.long (See: Monsanto's patent for abiotic stress response in plants http://www.google.com/patents/US7851676)


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bri



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean this in a confrontational way guys:

"Proving" that there are chemtrails is not the way to win the court of public opinion. It would be a laughing stock, a good headline for Huffington Post.
I doubt either of you wear gas masks.
No, I didn't watch the videos.

Recent trends are due to El Nino and the fact that weather happens, and changes. (Simplified answer)

It's hardest to explain that to my fellow millennials.
My elders remember global cooling scares etc.
We don't.

I usually keep my mouth shut and just hope this all leads to:
Less plastic
Less diesel particles
Less acid rain

Most young adults I know actually want to have a green impact without seeing dollar signs or being in it for the whole fashion trend factor, so I'm optimistic.
I do hope we see more scientists speaking out on this.

Even the alarmists aren't complaining much about this fabulous east coast weather.

Meanwhile California is about to get all of the rain they were missing, and totally forgot to prepare for collection.

Stay happy Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never hurts to put more info out there. Is there anyone who really believes that the psychos wouldn't use these technologies (that exist) if they could - even knowing the consequences?

Why have these patents?

Why build some of this infrastructure? What other reasons would we really need an ionospheric heater?

Agreed on less plastics and diesel.

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Look up:

- Global Dimming
- Soil PH levels
- Geo engineered contents of rainwater samples
- Ice nucleation for weather modification http://www.google.com/patents/US3899129
- Weather derivatives http://www.economist.com/node/21546019
- Ionospheric Heater (many around the world) http://www.google.com/patents/US5038664 and Artificial Ionospheric Mirror (AIM) http://www.google.com/patents/US5041834
- Emerging fungal threats to animal, plant and ecosystem health http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7393/full/nature10947.html
- Abiotic stresses cause fungal increase? http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/62/14/4731.long (See: Monsanto's patent for abiotic stress response in plants http://www.google.com/patents/US7851676)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they're spraying us with tin foil? Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth a read:

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-shasta-snow-and-water-aluminum-tests.t137/

Lots of people believe in the Trails out in the Sierra Nevadas and Cascades.
Beautiful areas, wonderful people, just not much to do in towns of 200 people.
So you watch chemtrail videos, smoke lots of herb, shoot guns, or go to an ashram.
I'll stick to weed and guns.

I don't need some white dude with a dreamcatcher---still no gas mask--- around his neck telling me they're spraying us, then trying to sell me crystals and shit.

Documentary: They throw in a couple of guys with M.D.s---hell, even James Fetzer got one of those, not to mention a Phd---and then repeat the same 5-6 "expert" talking heads in rotation for an hour. Red flag.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When SEAL team 6 was created, it was named so (they skipped numbers) to make the 'enemy' think they had more teams than they really did at the time. I think many of the US weapons systems/technology is bogus and is just a money grab; the F-35 is a great example. Perhaps this technology mentioned below is questionable as well. It is readily available on the net after all. I assume the psychos realise they have to drink and breathe the same as the underlings do. However, I am a firm believer that if they can/or think they can do something, they will.

Barium should not be in rainwater at all and it mentions on the WHO website that: “Boron is not present in the atmosphere at significant levels (Sprague, 1972). Because borates exhibit low volatility, boron would not be expected to be present as a vapour in the atmosphere to any significant degree.”

Aluminium may get into rainwater if it is blown up into the air from soil.

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Weather as a Force Multiplier http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf (Created Aug 1996)
See: diagram on page 40
See: diagram on page 42


In the broadest sense, weather-modification can be divided into two major categories: suppression and intensification of weather patterns. In extreme cases, it might involve the creation of completely new weather patterns, attenuation or control of severe storms, or even alteration of global climate on a far-reaching and/or long-lasting scale. In the mildest and least controversial cases it may consist of inducing or suppressing precipitation, clouds, or fog for short times over a small-scale region. Other low-intensity applications might include the alteration and/or use of near space as a medium to enhance communications, disrupt active or passive sensing, or other purposes. In conducting the research for this study, the broadest possible interpretation of weather-modification was initially embraced, so that the widest range of opportunities available for our military in 2025 were thoughtfully considered. However, for several reasons described below, this paper focuses primarily on localized and short-term forms of weather-modification and how these could be incorporated into war-fighting capability. The primary areas discussed include generation and dissipation of precipitation, clouds, and fog; modification of localized storm systems; and the use of the ionosphere and near space for space control and communications dominance. These applications are consistent with CJCSI 3810.01, “Meteorological and Oceanographic Operations.” 11

Modification of the ionosphere to enhance or disrupt communications has recently become the subject of active research. According to Lewis M. Duncan, and Robert L. Showen, the Former Soviet Union (FSU) conducted theoretical and experimental research in this area at a level considerably greater than comparable programs in the West. 25

There is a strong motivation for this research, because induced ionospheric modifications may influence, or even disrupt, the operation of radio systems relying on propagation through the modified region. The controlled generation or accelerated dissipation of ionospheric disturbances may be used to produce new propagation paths, otherwise unavailable, appropriate for selected RF missions. 26

A number of methods have been explored or proposed to modify the ionosphere, including injection of chemical vapors and heating or charging via electromagnetic radiation or particle beams (such as ions, neutral particles, x-rays, MeV particles, and energetic electrons). 27

It is important to note that many techniques to modify the upper atmosphere have been successfully demonstrated experimentally. Ground-based modification techniques employed by the FSU include vertical HF heating, oblique HF heating, microwave heating, and magnetospheric modification. 28

Significant military applications of such operations include low frequency (LF) communication production, HF ducted communications, and creation of an artificial ionosphere (discussed in detail below). Moreover, developing countries also recognize the benefit of ionospheric modification: “in the early 1980’s, Brazil conducted an experiment to modify the ionosphere by chemical injection.” 29

Several high-payoff capabilities that could result from the modification of the ionosphere or near space are described briefly below. It should be emphasized that this list is not comprehensive; modification of the ionosphere is an area rich with potential applications and there are also likely spin-off applications that have yet to be envisioned.

11 CJCSI 3810.01, Meteorological and Oceanographic Operations, 10 January 95. This CJCS Instruction establishes policy and assigns responsibilities for conducting meteorological and oceanographic operations. It also defines the terms widespread, long-lasting, and severe, in order to identify those activities that US forces are prohibited from conducting under the terms of the UN Environmental Modification Convention. Widespread is defined as encompassing an area on the scale of several hundred km; long-lasting means lasting for a period of months, or approximately a season; and severe involves serious or significant disruption or harm to human life, natural and economic resources, or other assets.

25 Lewis M. Duncan and Robert L. Showen, “Review of Soviet Ionospheric Modification Research,” in Ionospheric Modification and Its Potential to Enhance or Degrade the Performance of Military Systems,(AGARD Conference Proceedings 485, October, 1990), 2-1.

26 Ibid

27 Peter M. Banks, “Overview of Ionospheric Modification from Space Platforms,” in Ionospheric Modification and Its Potential to Enhance or Degrade the Performance of Military Systems (AGARD Conference Proceedings 485, October 1990) 19-1.

28 Capt Mike Johnson, Upper Atmospheric Research and Modification—Former Soviet Union (U), DST-18205-475-92 (Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Center, AF Intelligence Command, 24 September 1992), 3. (Secret) Information extracted is unclassified.

29 Capt Edward E. Hume, Jr., Atmospheric and Space Environmental Research Programs in Brazil (U) (Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Center, AF Intelligence Command, March 1993), 12. (Secret) Information extracted is unclassified.


http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This global warming swindle is only just beginning, the end game is the total control over every human being through carbod dioxide rationing;

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James Corbett joins Dave of X22 Report to talk about the global warming narrative and its carbon ration end game. Topics discussed include the global average temperature construction, the carbon ration control grid, and the economics of technocracy.


https://youtu.be/RRje6OGlqhQ

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I found him for you

http://roguemoney.net/tag/arclight-institute/

Is retired version of

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/888_7th_Avenue

Can't get to arc-light institute anymore , since MR ummm retired.

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