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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just didn't want anyone to think I am defending him [Obama].
I'm not. I just don't think he's a commie.

WTF? Have you listened to the audio??
He taught the Marxist Alinsky method for years!

Quote:
"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model
for organizing
is being applied successfully beyond local community
organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute
to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday."
--Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Here's more:

Quote:
In Dreams, Obama spent some 150 pages on his four years in Chicago
working as an organizer, but there's little discussion of the theory that
undergirded his work and informed that of his teachers. Alinsky is the
missing layer of his account
....

In the 13 years between Obama's return to Chicago from law school and
his Senate campaign, he was deeply involved with the city's constellation
of community-organizing groups. He wrote about the subject. He attended
organizing seminars. He served on the boards of foundations that support
community organizing. He taught Alinsky's concepts and methods in
workshops
.....
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/bobamasunlikelypoliticaledu.html

Or read this:

Quote:
Saul Alinsky: Rules for Radicals

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the
exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically
proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of
reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the
proletariat
, and finally the last stage
-- the political paradise of communism." Page 10

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing The Paradise of Communism. Laughing Laughing


I know all about the theories on who shot down Larry McDonald.
Who cares who shot him down. If you want to believe that Vladimir Putin
and his KGB are not working with the NWO then go right ahead.

McDonald was taken out by the NWO 'cos he was a threat to the CFR.

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Yep Larry was an extreme right wing nutcase

You sound like a TV Lib ranting about Sarah Palin.

Larry McDonald was a Patriot.
A defender of the Constitution.
I don't believe in the entireity of the Birchite political stand.
I don't even believe in Patriotism per se as a raison d'etre,
more as a means of defending national self-interest against Globalists.

But he was the enemy of my enemy and I respect the man for that.
He paid for his opposition to the NWO with his life.
McDonald was no fool. He well knew the risk.


Paulson gets to decide how state money is allocated to the private sector.
Paulson gets to play Santa Claus under a CFR/Government agenda.
Any financial institution who doesn't play ball is taken out.
Voting power or stock control are not required.
They are constructing a Command economy.

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That isn't Communism Fintan, it's Fascism.


Communism, Monopoly Capitalism, Fascism. Fuck you! (lol Get Shorty inside joke)

The point is: They are all morphing into one from an economic perspective.

But the big issues are not in the Bailout fine details but in:

The extension of Government spending as a % of GNP.
The use of Socialism as an Alinsky staged morph into Communism (relabelled Communitarianism).
The deployment of social control via 'Soviet'-ization of the social organization.
The use of education to control the population.

Obama's 'Participatory' citizenship is presented as a 'grassroots will'
--feeding up into State Power.

It's the complete fucking reverse. Classic Communism.

It will actually be State Power --CONTROLLING right down to grassroots level. Sovietization.

No matter what you want to call it, the Right was classicaly Small Gov.
The so-called Left of the spectrum is becoming Big Brother Government.

The Communist core on this is not the economics.

It's the Big Gov social control model that is Communist.

And it's Obama who taught Marxist Alinsky's social methodology,
and who plans to implement it as a social control structure.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WTF? Have you listened to the audio??
He taught the Marxist Alinsky method for years!


Well yes I did listen to the audio. Isn't that what we're talking about?

"the Marxist Alinsky"?

If Obama is such a devotee of hardcore Soviet Communism why has he surrounded himself with far right, anti communist, anti socialist freaks like Brzezinski, Albright and Cohen as his advisers?

I'll just accept for the sake of discussion that Obama studied at the feet of Stalinist stooges...and learned their tactics...which would lead me to conclude that he learned those lessons and has applied them to further the goals of dictatorial capitalism. The tactics can be used to further any goal right?

You're focusing on what the guy might have done twenty or thirty years ago and you're ignoring everything he's actually done since and recently.

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I know all about the theories on who shot down Larry McDonald.
Who cares who shot him down.


Do you? The Soviets did not shoot down that plane. There's no evidence that they did. Anyway, at worst, the Soviet leadership would have looked on McDonald as nothing more than a small heap of bird droppings on the far edge of their lawn. If they even worried about him that much which I doubt.

"Who cares who shot him down?" He wasn't shot down. The plane he was a passenger on was shot down. Didn't you say that the Soviets shot him down? Why would you say that if you didn't care?

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If you want to believe that Vladimir Putin
and his KGB are not working with the NWO then go right ahead.


Did I mention Putin? No I didn't. But since you bring him up...he doesn't have a KGB. He has a FSB. Putin is as much a commie as the "defector" you featured in your audio segment. Are Putin and the FSB part of the NWO matrix? Likely so. Are they communists? No they're not.

As for the KGB defector, well, in the 1980's a KGB agent who defected to the US would be guaranteed a nice house, a fat pay check every month and a generous retirement pension if they helped the CIA portray the USSR as terrible menace to American freedom and democracy. You don't think they would get that stuff for free do you? So...your KGB agent was...a paid CIA bitch! I thought you didn't trust CIA bitches.


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You sound like a TV Lib ranting about Sarah Palin.


I never mentioned Palin actually. One of your sources for the "Red Coup Gambit" did though. Did you even source your sources?

(BTW, can you define "TV Lib"? WTF does that even mean?)

From "swimming against the red tide" Re. Palin:

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A Starn Is Born: Sarah Palin

This year we have elections down there in Brazil. What a waste of time it will be.
None of the candidates express the real feelings of brazilians. They learned to be actors interested in attention of the media. The mainstream media in Brazil is lefty as is in USA.
But there are people who are not in the spotlight-follower crowd. Sarah Palin speech was one of the things that I hope someday someone could be spoke in portuguese.
It is incredible how Republicans can re-emerge themselves from ash (or do I have to say "flood"?)
Viva Palin. I donīt know what "hockey mom" means, but I am for it.
If I were an American voter, I will be proud to vote to the McCain-Palin ticket.
Letīs cut the crap. Here her speech.


Yeah, hey Fintan "let's cut the crap". You're using right wing weirdos as your sourcing for painting Obama red just like McCain and Palin have tried to do. Why stop there? He's a Muslim radical too doncha know? Why are you hiding that from us?

And what about McCain? He actually denounced the USA and worked with the North Vietnamese communists to craft anti-American propaganda. Yet you are silent on the subject? You ignore the real Manchurian Candidate and create one of your own? Strange.

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Larry McDonald was a Patriot.
A defender of the Constitution.


Oh yeah! If you were white, christian, male, heterosexual and 100% anti-communist old Larry would fight for your rights! If you were anyone else you could go die, preferably in large numbers, as far as he was concerned. Have you ever been to a Birch Society meeting Fintan? I have. It's pure madness.

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Paulson gets to decide how state money is allocated to the private sector.


Wrong again. Paulson is just the bag man. The enforcer who runs the protection racket. "Hey!...nice economy you have here...it would be a shame if something bad happened to it...pay up or else suckers!"

And we paid up and he handed the money over to his buddies in the banking and financial services sector and that was the last of government control of our money. Paulson doesn't decide how the money is allocated. One of his little flunkies does and the little flunky who does it is an employee of Goldman Sachs.

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And it's Obama who taught Marxist Alinsky's social methodology,
and who plans to implement it as a social control structure.


Without "Marxist Alinsky" you don't have much evidence of Obama as communist do you? Even with "Marxist Alinsky" you still don't. Obama is a sleazy, corrupt politician who nearly breaks an ankle rushing to help the big capitalists and banking interests whenever they whimper while telling poor people to take "personal responsibility" for their plight and you have translated that into him being a "communist"?!

You have a great imagination, I'll give you that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a KGB agent who defected to the US
would be guaranteed a nice house, a fat pay
check every month and a generous retirement
pension if they helped the CIA portray the USSR
as terrible menace to American freedom

Gosh I never realized that!

Lucky you are around to wise me up on that.
There was me buying a CIA line all along.
I'm gutted, dude. Gutted.

Seriously, just how fucking stupid do you think I am?

Do you actually assume that I wasn't deeply aware of that potential
dynamic. Do you think I didn't watch the entire hour of the interview with
Yuri, and then do hours more of research into him before drawing
any conclusions?

Do you understand the significance of his comment in passing that his CIA
debriefers had dismissed his concerns about infiltration of East Pakistan?
To guage that you have to do further research into the political situation
in East Pakistan in the early 1980's. Have you done that?

I did it despite the fact that I was only using the aspect of his revelations
that addressed KGB subversion tactics. But before I even used that I had
to be fully aware, not only of Yuri's underlying motivations, but also what
personal predjudices he may have brought to the table.

That's what I do, dude. For every hour of political analysis audio there are
scores of hours of research in the big gaps between audios. That's why
people support BreakForNews. That's the methodology which allowed me
in 2005, to name 108 websites controlled by the CIA. How many hours of
research and analysis do you think went into that, considering that
each one of those sites had to be individually evaluated?

That's why I'm not up on YouTube, videoblogging daily gushes of mere
surface-level, knee-jerk personal predjudice masquerading as informed
political comment. I'm too busy ensuring that my analysis is well founded.

Feel free to get outraged about the Birchites politics and ignore the tactical
issue that their almost-religious commitment to the Constitution may in fact
be a tactically important factor in the battle against the NWO.

Feel free to rant against Fascism even though the Communist social order
structure is far more attractive to the NWO, and far more effective as a
social control mechnaism, because it's rooted in the community and
doesn't even need the overtly Fascist mechanism of armed soldiers to
rule --since the enforcing Army is the brainwashed masses of the people
themselves, ready like China's Cultural Revolutionaries to commit gross
atrocities against itself in the name of a psychiotic, emotionally-rooted
political hysteria.

But factor in that "Obama's Army" may be exactly such an emotionally-
rooted hysteria and may yet be supercharged into gruesome acts by
some carefully-constructed PsyWar events orchestrated by the NWO.

Events which may revolve around the tactical assassination of Obama in
order to unleash a "People's Revolution" that cements NWO rule.

And factor in that an individual male's attutide to Fascism is infludenced by
the complex interaction between: the psychodynamics of his own personal
relationship, or lack of, with his male parent; and the prevailing ebb and
flow of masculine or feminine social dominance in the culture at the
time he comes to maturity.

And factor in that this forum is not called The Next Level for nothing.

Thanks for debating. Helped sharpen my focus.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fintan: And factor in that an individual male's attitude to Fascism is influenced by
the complex interaction between: the psychodynamics of his own personal
relationship, or lack of, with his male parent; and the prevailing ebb and
flow of masculine or feminine social dominance in the culture at the
time he comes to maturity.


hey, i like the sound of this. got something clicking. been working through bullshit mommy & daddy issues for years. i went to public school and watched lots of cable television. lol.

speed levitch on the new york city grid plan
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah coolcrab, that could well spawn a whole thread of it's own.

Anyway, time to open this can of worms:

OBAMA, AYERS COINTELPRO & THE CIA

While we are digging, consider that CAC (see below) was a ceation of
Bill Ayers' and Ayers would have approved Obama's elevation in that
group. So that's a bit deeper a relationship between the two than merely
"a guy who lives in my neighborhood" --to quote Obama. Laughing

Another glorious bit of spin was Obama's campaign manager Alexrod
claiming that Obama and Ayers would know each other because parents
who live in the same neighborhood would clearly meet up as their
children would be going to school together. Ahem, Ayers is an ol' timer.
Do the math. His 'children' are all adults. Laughing Laughing

But vastly more interesting is the quite reasonable idea that Ayers
was and is working for the CIA/FBI.
Which would explain why he is not
serving 925 years for terrorism. The case was dropped on the grounds
of 'national security' :

Quote:
In 1973, Ibershof tried to put William Ayers, a founding member of the
Weather Underground, in prison for an alleged conspiracy to bomb
political targets.

But before the trial even began, some of the defense lawyers asserted
their offices had been broken into and searched, Ibershof said.

He also discovered the government had illegally bugged some of the
defendants. "I had a sizable room full of files with wiretaps that were not
obtained by court order," he said.

The illegal tactics were ordered by Atty. Gen. John N. Mitchell and FBI
assistant director W. Mark Felt, who was later unmasked as the Watergate
scandal's "Deep Throat," Ibershof said. They were part of a plan, exposed
during the Watergate hearings, to use "espionage techniques" to gather
intelligence on domestic foes.

Even after the revelations, Ibershof believed that he could have
prevailed. But after a federal judge ordered a sweeping hearing on the
burglary and surveillance charges, the government decided in 1973 to
drop the case in the interests of national security
, he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/.....oct13,0,2980206.story


Ayers' role, and that of the Weathermen are classic political manipulation
stuff worthy of both FBI COINTELPRO and the deliberate social
engineering of the 1960's by elite planners in the NWO/CIA/DIA.

Here's an enlightening background piece:

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Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools

By Stanley Kurtz - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - Wall Street Journal

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never
written about his most important executive experience
. From 1995 to
1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg
Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group
poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers
and radical education activists
.....

http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.3547/pub_detail.asp


Ayers is one heckuva slick, smart f**ker, by the way. Watch some vids
of the guy in action. This is a player who would be quite at home with the
high-level NWO social engineers.

If Ayers is an intel boy, did he recruit Obama, or is/was
he Obama's handler? Just how smart, dumb, connected
or simply useful idiot is Mr. OB One?


Here's more on the relationship:

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Barack Obama joined the CAC shortly after William Ayers and Anne C. Hallett received news that their letter of November 8, 1994 submitting a grant proposal to The Annenberg Challenge had been approved. They were to get as much as $49 million from Annenberg, plus tens of millions more dollars from other foundations. Obama's involvement predates by months the actual incorporation of the CAC and his appointment as founding chairman of the board. He came on board almost as soon as the proposal was approved.

How on earth did a relatively unknown associate at a politically-connected but small Chicago law firm come to be entrusted with the heady task of handing out tens of millions of dollars of other people's money?

Keep in mind that Obama was at this point in his career very undistinguished considering his pedigree. It would be a kind understatement to say he had underperformed his academic resume. Three years out of Harvard Law and the Law Review Presidency, here is a short list of some of the things Obama had not done:

Clerked for a US Supreme Court Justice (or any Federal Judge);

worked in an important legal position at any level of serious responsibility;

written a law review article or note or published anything of legal substance.

As of 1995 Obama may have had the most professionally empty resume of any President of the Harvard Law Review three years gone from "The Law School."

And yet Ayers gave him a gig that would enable him to hand out large amounts of money to many people in Chicago, who could be expected to be grateful, once Obama ran for office -- as he was to do later that very year, in an event held at the home of Ayers and Dohrn.

Quite clearly, Obama was already well-enough known and trusted by Ayers to be offered the sensitive, prestigious and highly visible post of chairman of this important new undertaking. So we must ask, when did Obama and Ayers actually first get to know one another? And how did they come to trust one another?

One possible connection between Ayers and Obama was Sidley Austin, the prestigious Chicago law firm where Obama had a summer job after his first year at Harvard Law School, and where he met his future wife Michelle, assigned to him as a mentor. Also working at Sidley Austin was Bernadine Dohrn, wife of William Ayers, and a fellow Weather Underground terrorist. Given the shared "progressive" politics of the three, they probably knew one another and associated together at a firm known as a white shoe corporate practice.

Or Obama might have met Ayers even earlier, during his stint as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago, in fact. Ayers was a well-known and very active figure in left wing Chicago politics, and might have encountered the young, articulate, Ivy League educated rookie black radical Obama, working in a Saul Alinksy spinoff.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/bill_baracks_excellent_adventu.html

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Yeah Zak - I know this is pure Matrix level stuff. It sucks compared to
the higher level, but I'm happy to hack it on the material plane too.
That's where most people have to eat after all.

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I must say with all due respect, I don’t think Brother Fintan does either.

I dunno dude. I don't have papal infallability.

Debate me if I'm wrong.
But I think I figured this out 5 days after 9/11.

Here's the ancient server log to confirm:

Quote:
16/Sep/01 12:29: /images/afterwards_china_syndrome.jpg

http://www.eionews.addr.com/wwwstat/09.19.html


Below is the image ref'ed above, which I posted on the homepage of the
PsyOpNews website on 16th September, 2001. That's the site where
we published our first two 9/11 articles in the weeks just afterwards:

Quote:


China's flag atop the Statue of Liberty, just about summed it up , I felt.

I think the call was good. Here we are in the aftermath of China's Olympics,
as the financial 9/11 now hits the USA. All covered in recent audios.

We actually pulled that image from display after a few days. Figuring that
the message had been made clear to the more savvy visitors by then, and
in those days of surging emotions, didn't want to inflame sentiments.

The NWO finds the China model so attractive because of the full-on
social control and monopoly capital financials it offers, they think.

Screw that.
Think again.


I wondered why all this financial mess never hit the fan UNTIL after the olympics was put to bed
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayers is intel but I wonder who's intel.

Ayers bombing case was helped by the fact that Daddy Ayers was CEO of Commonwealth Edison, sat on the board of a few important educational institutions, and was good friends with old man Daley. The Ayers family go back a long way in Chicago inner circles.

Ayers has known "The One" for a long time, probably his handler as recruiters are out of sight and unknown to the general public who wouldn't recognize the names if they heard them. I would venture to say Obama is one of the engineers Bezmenov spoke of - he thinks he will be handed power but more likely put against the wall and shot. A temporary slick shepherd/eternal martyr for the herd.

The old line "it's a communist plot" may be the joke on us. What surprises me is how much new foreign influence is in Chicago politics (the last 20 years) - we were better off when it was just the American mafia oiling the machine. But ... maybe that's a backassward side-effect of the "act local, think global" mantra, which is really think local, act global.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You see Fintan if you say these elite DON’T have divisions like ordinary people, [therefore have vulnerabilities] then you are saying they are extraordinary.

What does that mean?

That equals a suggestion of omnipotence.


To figure this out I believe we must form certain equations or questions that are logically verified


Equation 1:
People get the leaders they deserve
Or

Question 1:
Do people get the leaders they deserve?


Equation 2:
Our leaders reflect what we REALLY want

Question 2:
Do we REALLY want freedom?


Equation 3:

In order to free ourselves from this slave system, we have to first free ourselves from ourselves

Question 3:

Can we free ourselves from external bondage, without freeing ourselves from internal bondage?



Remember Gibran said
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Fess Up. Exclamation

Who offed the old lady!!? Question


Quote:
Obama's grandmother dies of cancer in Hawaii

Mon Nov 3, 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack
Obama's grandmother died of cancer, he said in a statement on Monday,
a little more than a week after he interrupted the White House campaign
to say goodbye to her in Hawaii.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn
Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Obama said in a
joint statement with his sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng. "She was the
cornerstone of our family, and a woman of extraordinary
accomplishment, strength and humility."

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE4A26GV20081103

Word is she died peacefully in bed....

...with a pillow over her face. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Seriously though, I checked it out and as I suspected:

Quote:
The Honolulu medical examiner's office said it did not handle the case,
suggesting that Dunham's death was an "attended death" monitored
by a physician.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081103/BREAKING01/81103073

Feel free to interpret the words "monitored by a physician"
rather liberally (pardon the pun).

Even in the best of cases a terminal cancer patient is often given a heavy
dose of morphine as a "pain relief therapy". This is a humanitarian solution
which allows medical staff to efectively kill the patient with a straight face.

In this case.....

Aww, what the heck. What's a few days here or there
if it brings in some sympathy votes for The OB One.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolcrab wrote:
Quote:
Fintan: And factor in that an individual male's attitude to Fascism is influenced by
the complex interaction between: the psychodynamics of his own personal
relationship, or lack of, with his male parent; and the prevailing ebb and
flow of masculine or feminine social dominance in the culture at the
time he comes to maturity.


hey, i like the sound of this. got something clicking. been working through bullshit mommy & daddy issues for years. i went to public school and watched lots of cable television. lol.

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YEAH!!! WOOO WHOOO!!
Some great Hipster shit!! I applaud you!! How poetic!!!
While this guy probably has 1,000 contacts in his database/contacts
just another measure used to destroy peoples sensibilities.
Let yourself remember the numbers of anyone in your contacts at least your mom or dad or anyone that is closest to you.
Most of the time people miss the point.
The other day was my sisters Birthday and I wished to call her but for some reason her entry was not in my contacts.(ooops may have deleted it by accident).
Thank GOD I still had the use of the other person to ask for her number.

MY POINT IS VERY SIMPLE
All this shit makes you stupid if you are not careful. The Grid system.
THE grid system is in place for this very reason and is in place to keep you imprisoned by it, by the idea of systematic interpretations of reality.
Anyone who doesn't understand this should get some clue through crazy events called the natural world.
What are the numbers of the closest peoples you call without the aid of the technology? I would ask this question before you are in dire straits and feel ,,,HMMMM,? I thought to myself ?? What if I were in a car wreck and my phone was gone? Hmmm and they asked me who can they call??
This idea of Human life being imprinted as if on a PCB always scared me.
This is off a bit but I thought I would share.
Learn a few numbers to rely on. I would hate for anyone here to be a lost soul.

Just my stupid opinion or incite.
It is much easier to forget things when you do not have to. WTF?
DUH!

Best Regards BFN
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Obama offers a new world


What must have been the longest and most widely watched election campaign in world history is at last at its end, and we will soon discover who American voters have chosen to replace George W Bush in the White House.

Will it be Barack Obama, the international connoisseur's choice, or that veteran battler, John McCain? What is clear is that our world, gripped in a debilitating global financial crisis, and exasperated by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, wants changes of direction.

We are at something of a watershed.

Almost 20 years ago, with the once great Soviet Union crumbling, the West was extolling the triumph of capitalism. Today, the concept of free market capitalism is itself under a cloud, so many are hoping that Barack Obama, if the polls are right and he is chosen, will come up with a change of direction, one that will help restore the confidence of the international community in our capacity to reform our economic order, our security system and our relations with each other and our environment, a brave new world order ensuring the survival of humanity.

It is indeed a tall order, far too tall for a man whose enthusiasm is unmatched by experience in government.

The extent of his success will therefore depend critically on the wise counsel, not only from the advisers around him; he will be counselled by world leaders.

The occasion presents the Rudd government with an opportunity not to be missed.

As a loyal ally in wars and peace, our views should be taken seriously in Washington, and the Government must therefore be ready of offer them at the earliest opportunity. Indeed, the readiness of the new administration to listen to us is a test of the real worth of that ANZUS alliance, which has led us into disastrous and unpopular wars. Of course, getting our message across is not as simple as all that.

The new regime will face a flood of advice from Britain and other NATO allies, as well as from United States allies elsewhere - countries like Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, and, in Asia, from Japan and South Korea.

It will take some time for this onslaught to be digested, and, in this complex process, it would be easy to exaggerate our influence. I have always felt that Australia is at something of a disadvantage, because our record is that of a loyal compliant ally, not a questioning one.

Under John Howard we have been a subordinate rather than a colleague of the United States.

Prime Minister Rudd should take early steps to change an image that has undermined our status as an independent state.

Another event gripping media attention is the impending execution of the three Bali bombers, Amrozi, Mukhlas and Samudra. Understandably there is no sympathy here for these terrorists, but we should not applaud their execution. Firstly, if Australians are totally opposed to capital punishment, even for killers like Ivan Milat, we can hardly condone it for these young misguided fanatics.

Secondly, don't forget there are several Australian drug traffickers on death row in Indonesia; our support for the killing of the Bali bombers could tip the balance, ensuring that they, too, end up before a firing squad.

James Dunn is an author with four decades of experience as a foreign affairs official and with UN agencies.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/blogs/between-the-lines/obama-offers-a-new-world/1350448.aspx

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Well the gloves are off and now you can
see clearly in the pages of CIA rag NEWSWEEK
what these NWO fucks are up to.


Hit while the Republicans are shell-shocked by the election result,
and lack the political power to resist. At the same time await the
effects of the orchestrated ripoff of the American people to bite hard
--rendering the U.S. public more amenable to.....

...to.... well...

...conquest by a Global Government, I suppose you'd have to call it!!

HERE COME DA POWER GRAB!

Note the publication date of November 3rd, and read CAREFULLY
all the bits in bold - considering their implications and what is
between the lines.....

Quote:
We Need a Bank Of the World

The financial crisis is global, and only an
international central bank can deal with it
.

By Jeffrey E. Garten | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine Nov 3, 2008

If George W. Bush's upcoming global summit on how to fix the world's
broken financial system—an event proposed by several European
presidents and prime ministers—is to be a serious effort, the leaders
should begin laying the groundwork for establishing a global central
bank
....

There was a time when the U.S. Federal Reserve played this role, as the
prime financial institution of the world's most powerful economy,
overseeing the one global currency. But with the growth of capital
markets, the rise of currencies like the euro and the emergence of
powerful players such as China, the shift of wealth to Asia and the Persian
Gulf and, of course, the deep-seated problems in the American economy
itself, the Fed no longer has the capability to lead singlehandedly.....

In the future, a global central bank is needed to oversee the rudderless
global financial system. There are a number of critical functions it could
perform....

It could act as a bankruptcy court when big global banks that operate in
multiple countries need to be restructured
. It could oversee not just the
big commercial banks, such as Mitsubishi UFJ, but also the "alternative"
financial system that has developed in recent years, consisting of hedge
funds, private-equity groups and sovereign wealth funds
—all of which are
now substantially unregulated.

A new institution could have influence over key exchange rates, and
might lead a new monetary conference to realign the dollar and
the yuan, for example, for one of its first missions would be to deal with
the great financial imbalances that hang like a sword over the world
economy.

A global central bank would not eliminate the need for the Federal
Reserve or other national central banks, which will still have frontline
responsibility for sound regulatory policies and monetary stability in their
respective countries. But it would have heavy influence over them
when it comes to following policies that are compatible with global growth
and financial stability.
....

The IMF could continue to exist, but its board would have to be
restructured, its bailout role for smaller nations carefully defined, and its
directions—including the severity of the conditions it imposes on
borrowers—would have to come from the new central bank.


To give it legitimacy, a global central bank would have to be governed in
light of political realities. That means that its board would include not only
the top financial officials of the United States, the U.K., the euro zone
and Japan, but also China, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, South Africa
and
perhaps a few others.....

It would be hard to overestimate the political pushback that any official
proposal for a global central bank would draw from various
constituencies, most especially within the United States. Among their
many charges, critics will protest the establishment of "world
government."
But we have a World Trade Organization with legally
binding powers over trade disputes. We have a World Health Organization
for communicable disease with the ability to quarantine entire countries.
And a World Court functions today that has considerable legal and moral
clout.

No one should want too much globally centralized oversight. But the
world's gathering misery shows that too little leadership from the center
can be equally dangerous. The November summit itself won't solve
anything, but if it gave instructions to finance ministers and central
bankers to explore what a new central bank could do, with a deadline to
come back with concrete ideas shortly after a new U.S. president is
inaugurated
, it will have made real progress on one of the great problems
of our times.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/165772/page/1

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