Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Christine Maggiore, AIDS Skeptic Dies at 52
Christine Maggiore - A Modern Day Hero
Posted by hivquestions on December 30, 2008
A terrible loss for the campaign against Pharma's AIDS theories.
An outstanding woman, resolutely dedicated to helping others
has now paid the ultimate price for her life of harried activism.
The AIDS zealots will claim that she died of AIDS of course. As they did
when Christine's daughter Eliza Jane died of a bad reaction to penicillin.
That tragic death of her daughter added to the strain on a campaigner
who was burning the candle not only at both ends but also in the middle.
Christine Maggiore, vocal skeptic
of AIDS research, dies at 52
Woman and her husband sued Los Angeles County for
finding that daughter died of AIDS-related pneumonia.
LA Times - December 30, 2008
By Anna Gorman and Alexandra Zavis
Until the end, Christine Maggiore remained defiant.
On national television and in a blistering book, she denounced research
showing that HIV causes AIDS. She refused to take medications to treat
her own virus. She gave birth to two children and breast-fed them,
denying any risk to their health. And when her 3-year-old child, Eliza Jane,
died of what the coroner determined to be AIDS-related pneumonia, she
protested the findings and sued the county.
On Saturday, Maggiore died at her Van Nuys home, leaving a husband,
a son and many unanswered questions. She was 52.
According to officials at the Los Angeles County coroner's office, she had
been treated for pneumonia in the last six months. Because she had
recently been under a doctor's care, no autopsy will be performed unless
requested by the family, they said. Her husband, Robin Scovill, could not
be reached for comment.
Jay Gordon, a pediatrician whom the family consulted when Eliza Jane was
sick, said Monday that Maggiore's death was an "unmitigated tragedy."
"In the event that she died of AIDS-related complications, there are
medications to prevent this," said Gordon, who disagrees with Maggiore's
views and believes HIV causes AIDS. "There are medications that enable
people who are HIV-positive to lead healthy, normal, long lives."
Diagnosed with HIV in 1992, Maggiore plunged into AIDS volunteer work -
- at AIDS Project Los Angeles, L.A. Shanti and Women at Risk. Her
background commanded attention. A well-spoken, middle-class woman,
she was soon being asked to speak about the risks of HIV at local schools
and health fairs. "At the time," Maggiore told The Times in 2005, "I felt like
I was doing a good thing."
All that changed in 1994, she said, when she spoke to UC Berkeley
biology professor Peter Duesberg, whose well-publicized views on AIDS --
including assertions that its symptoms can be caused by recreational drug
use and malnutrition -- place him well outside the scientific mainstream.
Intrigued, Maggiore began scouring the literature about the underlying
science of HIV. She came to believe that flu shots, pregnancy and
common viral infections could lead to a positive test result. She later
detailed those claims in her book, "What if Everything You Thought You
Knew About AIDS Was Wrong?"
Maggiore started Alive & Well AIDS Alternatives, a nonprofit that
challenges "common assumptions" about AIDS. She also had a regular
podcast about the topic.
Her supporters expressed shock Monday over her death but were highly
skeptical that it was caused by AIDS. And they said it would not stop them
from questioning mainstream thinking.
"Why did she remain basically healthy from 1992 until just before her
death?" asked David Crowe, who served with Maggiore for a number of
years on the board of the nonprofit Rethinking AIDS. "I think it's certain
that people who promote the establishment view of AIDS will declare that
she died of AIDS and will attempt to use this to bring people back in line.
But you can only learn so much from an unfortunate death."
Brian Carter, who facilitated local peer groups with Maggiore, said the
movement would remain strong.
"Christine was only part of this. There is an outstanding number of
prominent rethinkers, independent thinkers, doctors, scientists, lawyers
who question AIDS causation."
Though they run counter to the scientific consensus about AIDS, such
beliefs can have a major effect. In South Africa, where about 5.7 million
people live with HIV, the government refused until 2005 to fund
antiretroviral treatment, citing questions about the effectiveness of the
drugs that inhibit the replication of HIV.
Federal health officials and other experts say the link between HIV and
AIDS has been shown in hundreds of studies and the prescription of
antiretroviral drugs has helped reduce the pandemic to a chronic but
manageable disease in the United States. Researchers from the Harvard
School of Public Health calculated earlier this year that the South African
government's delay in introducing treatment between 2000 and 2005 cost
more than 330,000 lives in that country.
Craig Thompson, executive director of AIDS Project Los Angeles, said
Maggiore was an effective and powerful advocate, in part because she
was a woman living with HIV. But he said her message discouraging
testing and treatment was dangerous.
"It's just really sad that she never could understand and never could trust
the medical community, unlike the rest of the world," Thompson said.
Maggiore's friends said she underwent a holistic "cleanse" last month
that left her feeling ill.
"She was telling me that she wasn't feeling great," Carter said, adding
that he questioned whether the pneumonia was related to AIDS.
As an advocate, Maggiore counseled HIV-positive pregnant women on how
to avoid pressure to use the drug AZT as a method to reduce the chances
of transmission to their babies. She considered the drug toxic.
Maggoire gave birth to her son, Charlie, and his younger sister, Eliza Jane,
at home and breast-fed both, although research indicates that it increases
the risk of transmission. Eliza Jane Scovill died in 2005 from what the
coroner ruled was AIDS-related pneumonia. Maggiore and Scovill,
however, hired a pathologist who concluded that the girl died of an
allergic reaction to the antibiotic amoxicillin.
After Eliza Jane's death, Los Angeles police investigated whether Maggiore
and Scovill were negligent in not testing the girl for HIV. In 2006, the Los
Angeles County district attorney's office decided not to file criminal
charges against Maggiore, saying that it would have been difficult to prove
criminal negligence because Maggiore had sought medical advice. Friends
said that Maggiore never fully recovered after the death of her daughter
and that she had trouble even sleeping and eating. Her preteen son,
Charlie, has tested HIV negative.
Last year, Maggiore and Scovill sued Los Angeles County and others on
behalf of their daughter's estate, charging that the autopsy report lacked
proper medical and scientific evidence for the declared cause of death.
The case is pending.
From: MSN Nickname Alain5706
in response to Message 8
Sent: 12/30/2008 7:17 PM
She has died because she certainly took antibiotics.
This is what killed her.
But she died primarily because she believed in pneumonia. This is
why she took antibiotics to treat it. This is also why we need to reappraise
toxoplasmosis, pneumonia, and tuberculosis (the three most diagnosed
illnesses to hiv+ people). Until we do that, there will be other deaths of
I imagine quite well the process leading to her death.
She was depressed because of the death of her daughter Eliza Jane (who
died from a combination of an anti-inflammatory drug and an antibiotic,
in 2005). Then, after some times, the level of cortisol in her body fell.
Because of that, the center of her body began to have less water in it.
Because of the dryness in the center of her body, she began to lose
weight and to cough. Her doctor, who wasn't a dissident, thought that it
was a pneumonia. He treated her with antibiotics. And after six months of
this treatment, she died.
And this could happen to every HIV+ dissident from this forum. There are
plenty of reasons why people can have a cough and lose weight, and then,
be diagnosed with pneumonia or tuberculosis.
Name: Vince - Date posted: 2008-12-30 10:26 AM Hometown: New Orleans
We lived up the street from her in Van Nuys and loved her and her family.
While she was a lightning rod for controversy, there was no kinder
neighbor or sweeter family. My prayers go out to Robin and his son.
Name: Carl - Date posted: 2008-12-30 10:24 AM Hometown: Chicago
I'm not seeing any evidence in this article that Christine actually died of
AIDS and not something else. Also, the presumption that her daughter
died of AIDS is false. Other doctors have looked at the pathology reports
and drawn a different conclusion--that she died of an allergic reaction to
In fact, despite Christine's repeated requests, no tests results were ever
released showing that her daughter was HIV positive. Probably this, more
than anything, was the reason child endangerment charges were dropped
against Christine. Let's see the evidence that Christine actually died of
AIDS before we pronounce judgment against her.
Name: Eddie - Date posted: 2008-12-30 9:22 AM Hometown: Tampa
As a gay man who waded through the sewers of the corrupt HIV Industry
for 6 years,I was the good little gay boy who did everything they told me
and I have denounced the so-called Gay Community on the basis of a
born again cult. The Gay Industry has definitely $old gay men out. [HIV]
has become self identification in the Western World where [HIV] dresses
in drag and carries a nice little rainbow sticker next to picture of the well
Unlike GBLT in the USA,Africans are isolated by the phoney construct of
AIDS delivered by Political Denialism,those politicians who have murdered
the Continent by pharmaceutical drug dealers.
Christine Maggiore was a vessel of truth, a light that embraced GBLT and
a thorn for those who opposed,say what you want,think what you
want, blog all you want but at least wait for the facts to come out before
you begin your genocidal block party.
Founder & Advisory Editor,
What should we call it? A suicide?
What should we call it when a woman dies because she refuses
to believe she has a treatable illness?
And what should we call it when a woman lets her baby daughter die
because she refuses to believe the baby has a treatable illness?
I replied to him:
What should we call it??
What should we call it when zealots leap to conclusions while the full
circumstances of Christine's death are still unknown?
Blind bigotry, that's what.
And what should we call it when a zealot such as Peter Staley accuses
a dead woman of murdering her daughter, even though the L.A. police
declined to support such a charge against Christine after a full investigation?
I call it dancing on the grave of the deceased.
Christine Maggiore was always measured in her statements on HIV/AIDS.
That was the hallmark of her activism. It was a mature and responsible
Perhaps you could learn that from her in her death.
It's hard to remain measured on such an emotionally charged issue as
AIDS, but Christine had to balls to play it right.
Right in there behind you on Peter's blog Fintan. Nice post.
Absolutely tragic loss. When I heard your interview with Christine she was understandably overwhelmed, and I wondered how she could handle it all. That she fought as long as she did is remarkable, and a testament to her, her family, and those who supported her. _________________ "Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is"- Albert Camus
Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 273 Location: The Forest.
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject:
Christine i Love u
I feel u EVERYWHERE!
Yes there are tears and sadness!
But i feel so much peace now,
AIDS IS OVER
ITS REALLY OVER
AND U WERE THE BRIGHTEST LIGHT
FOR SO MANY OF US,
YOU LEAD THE FRONTLINE WITH SUCH GRACE,
COURAGE AND ELEGANCE IN THOUGHT, REASON
THE TEARS ARE STILL FLOWING
AND IM SURE WILL FOR MANY MANY DAYS TO COME
BUT STRANGLY OR MAYBE NOT SO STRANGELY
IVE NEVER SEEN THINGS SO CLEARLY SO CALMLY,
YOUR SPIRIT HAS SEEPED IN TO ALL OF US
AND MADE ALL OF US STRONGER.
BUT U WERE ONLY ONE!!!
AND NOW WE ARE MANY!
CHRISTINE YOUR PASSING IS THE BEGINNING,
ITS THE AWAKENING, THE REALISATION FOR ALL
OF US THAT WE ALL ARE YOU
JUST IMAGINE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS
THAT HAVE STOOD AND WATCHED U SHINE
STEP FORWARD FROM THE SHADOWS
AND OVERWHELM THE INSIPID DULL NAUSEOUS
SINISTER REALM OF THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT
WITH THE LIGHT AND COURAGE U INSPIRED IN ALL OF US
WE WILL WALK WIH THE GRACE AND COURAGE
U SHOWED US TO PUT TO BED THIS WAR AGAINST
HUMANITY, THIS INCREASINGLY SHODDY
CONSTRUCT,THIS SILLY LITTLE WORD
aids _________________ I can see through you.
Some people see you.
To me you're just see-thru
It is clear that the pneumonia which afflicted her in her final days
was not so-called "AIDS-related PCP Pneumonia," which is a fungal
infection of the lungs over a protracted period.
It was instead a standard bacterial pneumonia of both lungs.
There were other factors, which Celia Farber
and Christine's husband Robin detail below:
What Killed Christine Maggiore?
by Celia Farber, 2008/12/30
I got the devastating news yesterday that my very good friend Christine
Maggiore died at home on December 27th, from a bout of bilateral
bronchial pneumonia, that afflicted her in recent weeks, and which she
was unable to overcome.
The news has been shattering to all who loved her around the world.
Speaking for myself, I can say that Christine Maggiore was one of the
strongest, most ethical, compassionate, intelligent, brave, funny, and
decent human beings I have ever had the honor to know. I spoke to her
in great depth about all aspects of life, death, love, and this battle we both
found ourselves mired in, and I will be writing about her and about those
conversations here, in the future. No matter what she was going through,
and it was always, frankly, sheer hell–every day of her life, since 2005,
she faced, acute grief, sadistic persecution, wild injustice, relentless battle,
and deep betrayal–she was always there for her friends, and she never
descended to human ugliness. She always tried to take the high road.
She always tried to be stronger than any human being could ever be
asked to be. I feared for her life, always. I feared the battle would kill her,
as I have felt it could kill me, if I couldn’t find enough beauty to offset the
malevolence. This is a deeply occult battle, and Christine got caught in its
She had apparently been on a radical cleansing and detox regimen
that had sickened her and left her very weak, dehydrated, and unable
to breathe. She was shortly thereafter diagnosed with pneumonia and
placed on IV antibiotics and rehydration. But she didn’t make it.
Those who loved her, as I did, have our own interpretations of what
ultimately killed her–a combination of unrelenting heartbreak and the
effect of being subject to a constant, unrelenting media driven hate
campaign, despite the complete legal clearing of her name in the death of
her daughter Eliza Jane in 2005, who died after taking an antibiotic, and
whose cause of death has been tortuously debated. Christine and her
husband Robin were denied the right to adopt a child, or foster a child,
due to a single article in the L.A. Times which cast her as a murderer.
Here below is the letter that Robin Scovill sent out. I ask that people try to
respect this family’s agony, and refrain from hurtful speculation in
whatever they choose to comment. We all agree that it is imperative that
an impartial and thorough autopsy bring to light all facts about Christine’s
cause of death, and the state of her immune system, and how these facts
might bring us all closer to the ultimate truth we all seek.
She had been HIV positive since 1990, and never had an AIDS defining
illness. Her foes have predictably begun their attacks, and there is already
a misleading statement from the LA County Coroner’s office, against
whom Christine was scheduled to testify two days from when she died,
stating that she had had pneumonia for six months. This is incorrect, but
helps foster the impression that it was an AIDS related pneumonia (PCP)
which is a longer term illness.
Here’s Robin Scovill:
It is with deep sorrow that I tell you my wife, Christine Maggiore died
unexpectedly on December 27th. She leaves behind our son, Charlie
and the memory of our daughter, Eliza Jane.
Christine was a beacon of hope for many people whose lives, like her
own, had been turned upside down by an HIV positive diagnosis. When
she received this devastating label in 1992, Christine—in spite of
predictions that she had five years to live—did not give up, but devoted
her life to helping others. For several years she was a public speaker for
AIDS Project Los Angeles, LA Shanti Foundation and was a founding board
member of Women At Risk.
It was in the process of trying to find a doctor that she felt comfortable
dying with that Christine starting getting conflicting information from AIDS
experts, particularly troubling in the search to save her own life. One
doctor in particular suggested that Christine retest and she finally did,
testing HIV negative, positive and indeterminate over a dozen times in
subsequent months. She was shocked. Christine took her questions and
confusion to the very AIDS organizations that she was helping to build and
their unanimous dismissal of her inquiries forced Christine to look
This series of events profoundly shook her faith in mainstream AIDS
beliefs and sent her down a rabbit hole of exploration that would challenge
everything that she had been lead to believe.
Over the subsequent years, Christine’s research put her in touch with
people all over the world whose work and commitment to open dialog and
debate caused her to rethink everything she had been taught to teach
others about HIV and AIDS. Most importantly, it led her to question the
absolute assertion that an HIV positive diagnosis meant she had to die.
In 1995, Christine set out to assemble a three-fold brochure outlining a
series of facts that had been most compelling in her search for truth. That
brochure turned into the first incarnation of her seminal book, What If
Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong? It took
Christine years to unearth the many studies, writings and facts that began
to alleviate the shame and terror of her HIV diagnosis. Her desire was to
create something concise and informative and empowering that she could
give to others who had received a similar diagnosis and who were
ashamed and terrified and alone.
Christine’s book—now in it’s 4th edition— has been translated into seven
languages; her monumental work with her non-profit organization, Alive
and Well AIDS Alternatives, has redefined what we think about AIDS; and
her tireless communications, writings and pod casts have touched
thousands of lives around the world and continue to provide a beacon of
hope for anyone who lives in fear of AIDS.
In spite of Christine’s strength, she was also under tremendous pressure
and scrutiny. She often felt that she wasn’t allowed to get sick like other
people. After her daughter died in 2005 of an allergic reaction to an
antibiotic for an ear infection, the LA County Coroner—ignoring evidence
to the contrary—declared it a death from AIDS and Christine’s suffering
increased horribly. She was vilified in the world media and harassed by
outspoken opponents of her work who openly gloated that this was her
just comeuppance. She and her family endured a yearlong criminal
investigation that not only terrorized them, but also robbed them of an
opportunity to mourn the loss of their daughter. That loss was twisted into
sensationalized and mean spirited television episodes that portrayed
Christine as a quack and a murderer and ultimately as dead. Christine
never fully recovered from the unjust treatment that she received around
the loss of Eliza Jane and that treatment ultimately exhausted her.
A week and a half ago, Christine was diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia
and did not conjure the strength to overcome it. She died unexpectedly in
her home with her husband and a dear friend. Christine Maggiore’s death
is a shock and devastating blow to her family and to the thousands of
people around the world who loved and respected her.
For anyone who lives in fear of an HIV or AIDS diagnosis, Christine’s
legacy will live on. She was committed to sharing vital facts and essential
dialog that would give HIV positive people everywhere the chance to
consider a destiny that differs from the one of death and despair that they
are taught to expect. For that she was loved.
Christine will be deeply missed.
A memorial will be planned within the next couple of weeks but please join
us at our home tonight (Tuesday Dec. 30) for an informal gathering of
friends and family. Please bring your musical instruments.
We are gathering from 1pm today well into the night.
So, it's important to counter this hysteria and demonization
if you come across such comments in your browsing.
I posted at a few places on the net.
On Dean’s World:
Christine was truly a heroine of our age.
Her determination and commitment were inspiring. Her meticulous caution and her measured public statements on HIV/AIDS were admirable, and counterpointed the often-hysterical pronouncements of her detractors.
She faced the untimely loss of her beautiful, young daughter Eliza Jane and the subsequent unfounded campaign against her with a courage that took our breath away.
Her achievements in standing up for the right of those labelled with the catch-all diagnosis of AIDS to get medical treatment free from vested financial and medical interests, will in the fullness of time be widely celebrated.
But, knowing Christine, she would have little time for sentimentalism over her death. She would have no truck with any slacking in a campaign whose heavy toll certainly contributed to her demise. And we know what she would want us to do.
Very well then, Christine. We will continue in the spirit which you demonstrated and with our best efforts to match your courage and steadfastness.
The following is from an email by Christine's husband Robin Scovill.
"A week and a half ago, Christine was diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia
and did not conjure the strength to overcome it. She died unexpectedly in
her home with her husband and a dear friend."
So the pneumonia was not so-called "AIDS-related PCP Pneumonia," a
fungal infection of the lungs usually over a protracted period. It was
instead a standard bacterial pneumonia.
Christine was truly a heroine of our age. Her determination and
commitment were inspiring. She faced the untimely loss of her beautiful,
young daughter Eliza Jane and the subsequent unfounded campaign
against her with a courage that took our breath away. Her achievements
in standing up for the right of those labelled with the catch-all diagnosis of
AIDS to get medical treatment free from vested financial and medical
interests, will in the fullness of time be widely celebrated.
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Red Bank, New Jersey, USA
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:04 am Post subject:
Thanks for the post. What a weird week for the world.
My personal intrigue is the phenomena of iatrogenisis.
Here in America the view of health is a product, and the provision of health care, an industry.
As long as the concept of 'health as a product' remains the standard, my bet is that the progress on certain chronic diseases will be not too pronounced because the long term investment in treating chronic diseases might be jepardized by a too comprehensive cure.
Of course the goals of the health industry is inclined to continue to earn as much as possible from a predictable source. That is chronic conditions, which are the cash cows of the industry.
Thanks again for bringing into view the state of affairs, and encouraging the perception of the availability of health care a matter of public service.
Meanwhile ABC have weighed in On Christine's death.
with a lot of comments from dissident Dr. Michael Ellner.
Death of an AIDS Skeptic
Friends Say Christine Maggiore Endured Media Stress;
Doctors Say She Caused Misery
By LAUREN COX - ABC News Medical Unit - Jan. 1, 2009
Christine Maggiore, an AIDS activist-turned-HIV/AIDS-skeptic, died in
her home Saturday of pneumonia, according to the Associated Press.
The Los Angeles coroner's office has yet to determine if her pneumonia was AIDS-related. If it was, it could serve as an ironic end to her work, promoting the idea that there is no definite link between HIV and AIDS, and that HIV tests are inaccurate.
Whatever details her autopsy reveals, Maggiore's life may prove to be more controversial than her death.
Since 1992, Maggiore founded two HIV/AIDS skeptic groups, including the Alive and Well AIDS Alternatives group in Los Angeles. Later, she traveled to Africa and is said to have personally influenced former South African President Thabo Mbeki's decision to block funding for HIV-positive pregnant women in South Africa.
Maggiore also appeared on TV, in Mothering magazine and in documentaries describing her decision to marry, have unprotected sex, and later breast-feed her two children without taking the drug AZT, which is typically prescribed to prevent an HIV transmission from mother to baby.
AIDS researchers and public health advocates have overwhelmingly condemned her work and personal life as deadly.
"They caused the death of thousands of South Africans by delaying treatment and spreading infections," said Dr. Charlie van der Horst, a professor of medicine at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill.
Van der Horst referred to a journal study that estimated 330,000 lives were lost to new AIDS infections during the time Mbeki blocked government funding of AZT treatment to mothers.
"There is a space in hell reserved for them," said van der Horst.
Other scientists have a more visceral reaction to Maggiore's cause.
"The image, on the cover of a magazine aimed at mothers, of her heavily pregnant, naked belly, daubed with a slogan 'No AZT' in red paint was one of the single sickest images the AIDS pandemic has ever seen," said John P. Moore, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York City.
At the time of the picture, Maggiore was pregnant with daughter Eliza Jane Scovill. In 2005, Eliza Jane died at age 3 of pneumonia. The Los Angeles County Coroner's office determined her death to be AIDS-related, but the Scovill family claimed Eliza Jane died from a reaction to antibiotics.
Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill were investigated, but never faced any charges related to the death.
A Friend Lost
Michael Ellner, a long-time friend and associate of Maggiore's, believes the stress from her loss and the public backlash to her views caused her untimely death.
"I lost somebody that I admired and loved, and I expect in the next couple of weeks that she'll be raked over the coals, even though she's dead," said Ellner, who teaches hypnosis techniques to medical professionals and is the founder of HEAL, a volunteer group that disseminates AIDS skepticism information.
Ellner met Maggiore in 1992, shortly after she received an HIV diagnosis and shortly after she met Dr. Peter Duesberg, a professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley. Duesberg became known as a lone wolf in the AIDS research world for his theories that the strong, toxic nature of AZT drugs actually induces AIDS.
"She didn't match everyone else who had AIDS," said Ellner, explaining that Maggiore came to doubt mainstream AIDS research during her early years as an AIDS activist. Ellner said Maggiore never appeared to be as sick as others around her.
"There are always positions and counter-positions in science and legitimate differences of opinion," said Thomas J. Coates, the Michael and Sue Steinberg professor of global AIDS research at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. "There have been those who have questioned many links -- tobacco and cancer, emissions and global warming, circumcision and reduction of HIV risk, etc."
Coates said many big debates, such as evolution versus creationism, are not life threatening.
"People still have the right to disagree," said Coates. "But, in the case of questioning the link between HIV and AIDS, one has to ask a bigger question: What are the consequences? In the case of HIV/AIDS denialism, the consequences are death and disability and suffering and misery."
Life in the Spotlight
Ellner pins the blame for Maggiore's misery elsewhere.
This November, Ellner said Maggiore was bombarded with calls and e-mails about an episode of "Law & Order" that seemed to mimic some elements of Eliza Jane's story. The episode featured a baby who died of AIDS-related pneumonia and a mother who believed it was a reaction to an antibiotic.
"She lost a child, she was accused of murdering her child and then everything was brought up again in November," said Ellner. "This time of year, suddenly you develop the cold and flu, and with stress, that can lead to pneumonia. ... You can blame it on the HIV, but that's my opinion -- she was killed by chronic stress."
Ellner never denies that AIDS itself exists. However, he does question the accuracy of the HIV tests, he questions that HIV leads to AIDS and agrees with Duesberg that AZT causes AIDS.
"I see Christine with different eyes. The average person doesn't appreciate that she studied this issue," said Ellner.
But that does not impress van der Horst.
"There's no question that HIV causes AIDS," said van der Horst. "There's absolutely not a single credible scientist who would disagree."
Ellner said that the HIV antibody test can only detect a "footprint" of a virus that was once in the body. However, van der Horst said the antibody test can detect both -- evidence of an eradicated virus, and evidence of a "chronic" virus, like herpes or HIV that continually lives in the system.
Van der Horst also points out that doctors have a second test for HIV that can detect the virus in the blood directly -- called the HIV viral load test. With drugs, doctors see less HIV in a patient's system.
Van der Horst joined 5,000 other scientists by signing the so-called "Durban Declaration" in 2000. Developed in Durban, South Africa, the document asserted that HIV causes AIDS and that an effort to treat HIV is the best hope of fighting AIDS.
Gail Wyatt, a couple's sex therapist associated with UCLA, personally encountered Maggiore, and thinks a different approach would settle the debate.
"I was on the Ricki Lake show about four years ago speaking against Christine's insistence that she and her husband did not need to use condoms and that she did not need to be on medication," said Wyatt. "I think that pointing the finger at those who doubt they need to re-examine their resistance to obtaining care may just entrench them in their positions.
"We always need to leave the door open to those who may want to get tested, treated and protect themselves and others from HIV and AIDS," she said.
Absolutely beautiful prayer. It gave me a moment to step back, allowed my anger to melt away, and I just thought about all of us as people, with names instead of labels.
It's an ugly world out there on those blogs. I'm out there firing away as best I can, trying to take a deep breath, focus on my aim, and help open up a curious mind. I know that it is happening somewhere just as it happened to me, and that gives me hope.
Fintan, it's comforting to see you out there fighting also. Your dedication, accuracy, and knowledge are inspiring.
Christine had a wonderful friend in you both. _________________ "Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is"- Albert Camus
Christine's healthy respiratory function in an audio recorded just weeks prior to
her death belies implications drawn from the L.A. coroner's office statement
asserting she had been treated for pneumonia in the previous six months.
Evidence indicates Magiore was pneumonia-free as late as 10th December, making
it extremely unlikely she suffered a fatal AIDS-related pneumonia in a mere 17 days
up to the date of her death at home on the 27th December, 2008.
Furthermore, it is very rare for a person to die of pneumonia at home. The symptoms
of a severe pneumonia, including dry or wet cough, fever and/or progressive shortness
of breath mean that a pneumonia patient invariably shows up in ER suffering from
overwhelming respiratory distress, well before a life-threatening circulatory failure.
This latest evidence indicates it would be prudent not to form conclusions as to
the true cause of her death because of the significantly atypical circumstances. _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
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I got the devastating news yesterday that my very good friend Christine Maggiore died at home on December 27th, from a bout of bilateral bronchial pneumonia, that afflicted her in recent weeks, and which she was unable to overcome.
The news has been shattering to all who loved her around the world. Speaking for myself, I can say that Christine Maggiore was one of the strongest, most ethical, compassionate, intelligent, brave, funny, and decent human beings I have ever had the honor to know. I spoke to her in great depth about all aspects of life, death, love, and this battle we both found ourselves mired in, and I will be writing about her and about those conversations here, in the future. No matter what she was going through, and it was always, frankly, sheer hell–every day of her life, since 2005, she faced, acute grief, sadistic persecution, wild injustice, relentless battle, and deep betrayal–she was always there for her friends, and she never descended to human ugliness. She always tried to take the high road. She always tried to be stronger than any human being could ever be asked to be. I feared for her life, always. I feared the battle would kill her, as I have felt it could kill me, if I couldn’t find enough beauty to offset the malevolence. This is a deeply occult battle, and Christine got caught in its darkest shadows.
She had apparently been on a radical cleansing and detox regimen that had sickened her and left her very weak, dehydrated, and unable to breathe. She was shortly thereafter diagnosed with pneumonia and placed on IV antibiotics and rehydration. But she didn’t make it.
Those who loved her, as I did, have our own interpretations of what ultimately killed her–a combination of unrelenting heartbreak and the effect of being subject to a constant, unrelenting media driven hate campaign, despite the complete legal clearing of her name in the death of her daughter Eliza Jane in 2005, who died after taking an antibiotic, and whose cause of death has been tortuously debated. Christine and her husband Robin were denied the right to adopt a child, or foster a child, due to a single article in the L.A. Times which cast her as a murderer.
Here below is the letter that Robin Scovill sent out. I ask that people try to respect this family’s agony, and refrain from hurtful speculation in whatever they choose to comment. We all agree that it is imperative that an impartial and thorough autopsy bring to light all facts about Christine’s cause of death, and the state of her immune system, and how these facts might bring us all closer to the ultimate truth we all seek. She had been HIV positive since 1992, and never had an AIDS defining illness. Her foes have predictably begun their attacks, and there is already a misleading statement from the LA County Coroner’s office, against whom Christine was scheduled to testify two days from when she died, stating that she had had pneumonia for six months. This is incorrect, but helps foster the impression that it was an AIDS related pneumonia (PCP) which is a longer term illness.
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