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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic, but not really. Just another reminder of how we got to where we unfortunately are.

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These bastards should be prosecuted for environmental terrorism. Oh yeah, I forgot ...THAT particular designation is reserved for the Earth Firsters and the environmentalists ...bad me.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top Kill seems
to be working ok
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Early indications on Thursday were positive for the well-plugging measure, known as a top kill. Crews were injecting heavy drilling fluid deep into the well in hopes of stemming the relentless flow of gas and oil, which has devastated commercial fishing in the Gulf for five weeks, fouled miles of coastline and put the company and federal regulators at the center of a political firestorm. Several previous attempts to stop the leak had failed.

BP warned that success for the top kill was not guaranteed and that it could still fail at any moment. But engineers and geologists following the effort said the likelihood of success was growing with each passing hour.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/28spill.html?src=me


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BP says Gulf oil spill slowed as
estimates of oil spilled increase


Thursday, May 27, 2010

A US Coast Guard official said today that BP's latest effort to plug the Gulf of Mexico oil spill has been successful in slowing the amount of oil leaking from the well.

The official, Admiral Thad Allen, said that the procedure, known as a "top kill" operation, has been able to block some of the leaking oil at the source, the top of the damaged well. The operation involves pumping material into the well to plug the leak before cement is used to permanently seal the leak. Allen said the the operation has "been able to force mud down and not allow any hydrocarbons to come up."

BP hasn't confirmed the success of the top kill operation, saying only that the "operation is proceeding as we planned it," and that there had been no major incidents thus far. Although the possibility of failure is still present, experts say that the longer the procedure continues, the less likely it will be that anything goes wrong.

The procedure began yesterday afternoon, after diagnostics on the damaged equipment on the ocean's surface indicated that it could withstand the added pressure of the mud being pumped into the well. Although engineers involved with the operation wore concerned that the pressure of the mud might not be able to overcome that of the oil, that has thus far not been the case.

Separately, a group of US scientists announced new estimates of how much oil was flowing from the well, ranging from 12,000 to 25,000 barrels a day, far higher than BP's original estimate of 5,000 barrels a day, a figure which BP warned was possibly inaccurate.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/BP_says_Gulf_oil_spill_slowed

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In a new development highlighting environmental problems, all 125 commercial fishing boats helping to clean up the oil off Louisiana's Breton Sound were recalled after four workers reported health problems.

The crew members aboard three separate vessels working in the area "reported experiencing nausea, dizziness, headaches and chest pains," the unified joint command center said.

It raised new questions about the risks of working with the thick gobs of oil washing up on shores here and the toxicity of tens of thousands of gallons of chemical dispersants used by BP to break up the slick.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/179372/bp-stops-oil-flow

Oooooops.
Speaking of chemical dispersants.....

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2-BE, a colorless, odorless liquid that can actually dissolve red blood cells. It starts by dissolving the fat in the cell membrane, causing the membrane to break down, and eventually--"you get sort of bloody eyes, bloody noses, and also blood in the urine," said Colborn in an interview for Split Estate. 2-BE has been found to cause retinal detachment in mice and other eye damage and also harms the liver, spleen, bones in the spinal column, bone marrow, and can cause kidney failure. Long-term exposure can lead to anemia and in laboratory animals has caused insufficient blood supply and tail necrosis, meaning an animal's tail actually just rots away.

2-BE is in Corexit:

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Fracking Chemical Used As Dispersant in Gulf

Head of the Company That Makes it Met With
Congress Yesterday


by Rachel Cernansky on 05.27.10

There's a chemical commonly used in hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking" (a process used to drill for natural gas), that's known to be highly toxic. It's called 2-butoxyethanol (2-BE), and it's been used in the Gulf as a dispersant chemical. I called Theo Colborn, probably the nation's foremost expert on the health effects of the chemical, to find out if she knew any more.

She confirmed that it's been used, but said that's all we know right now. Lisa Jackson was supposed to find out yesterday what exactly was in the dispersants, but Colborn added it's possible the EPA will obtain those details and then keep them confidential from the public as proprietary information. (Much like the chemicals used in fracking are business-interest secrets.)

On the same day, BusinessWeek reports, the CEO of Nalco, the company that manufactures Corexit, a family of chemicals used as dispersants, lobbied members of Congressarguing its chemicals should continue to be used on the Gulf oil spill.........

The story then noted that Nalco was increasing its presence in Washington even before the Gulf spilland recently hired Ramola Musante, a former EPA official, as a lobbyist.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/05/fracking-chemical-used-dispersant

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BP began pumping bargeloads of sludge into the well on Wednesday afternoon. Seven hours later, the company was able to drop the pressure at which it was pumping, a development considered positive by experts who said it meant the well contained a column of mud, rather than a plume of oil.

"That means they had enough pressure to displace the oil from the well into the rock formation," said David Summers, a professor of mining engineering at Missouri University of Science & Technology.

However, he said the job was not complete yet: "They haven't been able to totally balance the pressure. The column of mud in there should be stable enough to stand there by itself. But they're still having to apply a little bit of pressure to keep the column stable. That means they may not have got the mud all the way down the well yet."

There is still a risk that the pipe leading into the well could rupture. If the effort fails, BP has mooted trying a "junk shot" to block the leak by firing golf balls, tyres and other debris into the ocean floor.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/may/27/bp-oil-spill-top-kill


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Doug Suttles, BP's chief operating officer, said that on Wednesday the company had blasted high-pressure mud into the leaking well two times, trying to force the oil down in a procedure compared to using one firehose against another.

After doing it twice, Suttles said, the company stopped about midnight Wednesday, and spent Thursday assessing the plumes still shooting out of broken machinery. He said that company officials believed the two efforts had probably made some progress.

"I think some people believe it has. Some people believe it's less obvious it has," Suttles said. "What we do believe we've done is successfully pumped some mud, some of this drilling mud, into this wellbore."

But, Suttles said, oil was still coming out, despite these efforts: "What we do know is that we have not yet stopped the flow."

He said the company would try the procedure again Thursday evening and might add chunkier debris such as rubber balls to the mix in hopes of clogging the leaking pipe. That procedure is known as a "junk shot."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/


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According to the director of operations for BP, Robert Dudley, the company has a plan B in case of failure of top kill. The alternate plan would be to install a containment device to block the well.

http://news.puggal.com/bp-oil-spill-update-38851/

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"2-BE, a colorless, odorless liquid that can actually dissolve red blood cells. It starts by dissolving the fat in the cell membrane, causing the membrane to break down, and eventually--"you get sort of bloody eyes, bloody noses, and also blood in the urine," said Colborn in an interview for Split Estate. 2-BE has been found to cause retinal detachment in mice and other eye damage and also harms the liver, spleen, bones in the spinal column, bone marrow, and can cause kidney failure. Long-term exposure can lead to anemia and in laboratory animals has caused insufficient blood supply and tail necrosis, meaning an animal's tail actually just rots away."


I seem to remember from biology that most fish and sea animals have red blood cells, livers, kidneys, a lot of fat on their bodies, not to mention tails

I wonder if anyone knows how long this stuff stays in the water before it evaporates or breaks down?

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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the "Prestige" broke up and spewed 70,000 odd tons of thick crude oil (M-100) all over the coast of Galicia back in 2002, many of the thousands of volunteers who tried vainly, but valiently to help clean up the mess not only "reported experiencing nausea", but vomitted, passed out and suffered many other symptoms due to handling a substance that is highly toxic and carcinogenic.

So although I don't doubt that 2-BE is bad ass shit, it's probable that these health hazzards are due just to that bad ass crude oil all by itself.

I know the "Prestige" was just one oil tanker and is nothing like the magnitude of this, but the trauma of wave after wave of a "black tide" on the community is the same.
My heart goes out to those on the Louisiana and other coasts.

An incompetent government, held an inquiry and declared that it had acted correctly and would, god forbid, do exactly the same again!
They gave wads of cash to those on the coast most affected and they duely voted PP (right wing conservative) again in the next election, much to everyone's disgust, but not their surprise. Well, fascism is still very popular in parts of Spain.
I wonder if Obama will handle it any different?

"Nunca Mais!" (Never Again) we had cried, but alas it was not to be.

Eight years later you wouldn't really notice apart from some fading stains on rocks at the high tide level in some places. The fishing and shellfish industry has recovered and the beaches fill up when the sun comes out.
People forget. Life goes on.
It might take a long time, but perhaps there's hope.

Let's hope they learn and that this never happens again, but somehow I doubt it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Top Kill' is dead.

So too is Barry Boy's up-to-now dwindling credibility.

Oh dear.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Dear indeed........

From a Google translate of a recent Pravda article:

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Petroleum leak in the Gulf of Mexico
can be eliminated by nuclear explosion


Only one nuclear bomb could save the U.S. from ecological disaster

Vladimir Lagowski - 3rd May 2010


It is possible that unsuccessful attempts to stop the leakage of oil from
the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico through the underwater robots will force
experts to go to extremes. Namely - to blow up a nuclear warhead next to
the damaged well.


It sounds incredible like an idiotic joke. But in fact there were several
cases where catastrophes in the field were fought in this way at least five
times in the former USSR -when nothing else could help. Now it's the turn
of the Gulf of Mexico, where oil oozes out from three places.

The first underground nuclear explosion was used to extinguish burning
gas wells in "Urt-Bulak (80 km from Bukhara) on 30 September 1966.

The nuclear power charge was 30 kilotons. For comparison, the Hiroshima
bomb was about 20 kilotons. But at a height of 600 meters. By comparison
Bukhara was at a depth of six kilometers.

The principle of the method is simple: an underground explosion pushes
the rock, presses it and actually squeezes the well pipeline.

Powerful nuclear "plugs" - sometimes to 3 x Hiroshima were used before
1979. And only once failed. In 1972, the Kharkiv region failed to block
emergency gas blowout. The explosion mysteriously bloomed on the
surface, forming a mushroom cloud. Although the charge was minimal -
just a 4 kiloton; and laid deep - more than two kilometers down.......

http://bit.ly/b4vY08

Confused

Matt Simmonds mentions the nuke on Bloomberg:

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And on MSNBC:

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We've screwed around for 37 days and wasted a lot of time....

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....slant drillinga technique used to relieve pressure near the leakis difficult at these depths, because the relief well has to tap into the original pipe, a tiny target at about 7 inches (18 centimeters) wide, Simmons noted.

If the oil can't be stopped, the underground reservoir may continue bleeding until it's dry, Simmons suggested.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100513


And bleeding "until dry" means what precisely? :

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"You're talking about a reservoir that could have tens of millions of barrels in it," said David Rensink, incoming president of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists.

"We don't have any idea how to stop this," said Matthew Simmons, retired chair of the energy industry investment banking firm Simmons & Co. International. Ideas like jamming the leaking pipe with golf balls and other debris are a "joke," he added.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2010/may/30/ha-obamas-katrina/


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GHARIB: So what do you think happens to oil prices? Right now they have been coming down maybe for reasons that don't have anything to do with the fundamentals of the oil industry. But where do you see oil and gasoline prices near term?

SIMMONS: This could be actually a terrible catalyst because if we have a hurricane and they're saying this is probably the worst hurricane season potentially in the Gulf of Mexico, it is going to churn up this huge layer of goo that now covers around where the real blowout is, as opposed to where they're trying to kill and that would be basically-- it will probably shut down the Gulf of Mexico for a long period of time.

GHARIB: So what does that do to prices and gasoline prices in particular?

SIMMONS: It creates shortages. And when you have shortages, you ask me what the price is going to do. Probably a number that is unbelievable.

GHARIB: Do you think that this whole oil spill disaster creates a game changer for alternative energy?

SIMMONS: I think it certainly puts the spotlight on the need for some new forms of alternative energy that actually work. Unfortunately, most of the focus on alternative energy the last 20 years has been to reduce the carbon footprint to react to global warming. And there were things that didn't have anything to do with reacting to the fact that our oil supplies were going to start heading south. So I hope this puts the focus on the fact that let's find some stuff that actually can start replacing petroleum transportation fuels, because the supply is heading south.

http://www.pbs.org/nbr/site/onair/transcripts/nbr_transcripts_100526/


As a point of info Matt Simmons was formerly
Pres. George W. Bushs energy adviser.
Dunno if that's relevant.

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