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leon



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going ballistic: Russia strikes back with missile warning
http://rt.com/politics/ballistic-russia-strikes-missile-041/


Russia proceeds from the necessity to maintain its strategic defense potential, says Russia’s Ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin.
­Russia’s primary interest is in protecting its citizens, says the NATO envoy.

“We cannot afford to trade on the security of our citizens,” Rogozin said. “So if anyone puts an eye on it or casts a doubt on it, counter measures should certainly be worked out. And today the president named those measures.”
Rogozin went on to predict that there would be some tough talking during the forthcoming meeting of the NATO-Russia Council on December 8.
“Our colleagues from NATO will have to respond to the question: Why, if you call Russia a partner, are you building the potential to undermine Russia’s security?”
Meanwhile, former commander of the missile attack prevention army Lt. Gen. Nikolay Rodionov said the measures voiced by President Medvedev are capable of neutralizing the threats resulting from the deployment of the American missile defense system, told Interfax.
These measures “are aimed at wrecking the US plans to strike Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles deployed in the European parts of the country,” he said. “At the same it, it is a signal to our western partners to do everything possible in order to avoid a new arms race, which is inevitable given the implementation of US missile defense plans.”

The European anti ballistic missile defence program is nothing but an attempt by US to aquire first-strike capabilies against Russia.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


http://www.debka.com/article/21581/
Erdogan's illness impacts events around Syria and Iran
Extreme concern was quietly voiced Sunday, Dec. 18, by American and European official circles over the state of Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's health – and especially its impact on present and impending events in Syria and other parts of the Middle East, including Iran, debkafile's Western intelligence sources report. Those sources say Erdogan is suffering from Rectosigmoid cancer, but were not sure if it had reached the advanced Stage TIII (spread out of the colon to regional lymph nodes).

Is God still on our (humanity) side?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/arab-spring-seven-lessons-from-history/print

Syria?
Does it fit into the historical line and the pattern emerging described in this article.

There is something about patterns that is comforting in a way. Trying to recapture the past because the future looks so dim.

An interesting, you'll find.
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Rom



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Syria?
Does it fit into the historical line and the pattern emerging described in this article. "

Sure, we just have to view Libya and Syria fits into that pattern. But the destabilisation of Syria has to go on without air bombing thanks to the Russian fleet base and Russian/Chinese vetoing in UN. Expect western special forces to play a more active part, then Al Qaeda elements being brought in for groundfighting. The "Syrian protesters" will lack no funding, the Saudi puppets will channel the financing as usual.

The RRS feed from Independence.co.uk tells a simple story, put focus on Syria, and portray the fighting as "sivilian protesters" being massacred.

The Iranian downing of the drone was not planned of course. Things may be fucked up for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Al Qaeda elements being brought in for groundfighting"

Yes, Rom, Dr. Tarpley just confirmed that in his Twitter feed:

FreeSyrianArmy boss now infamous alQaeda assassin Belhadj, ex-US POW, curse of Tripoli

I wonder if they want to keep the Gitmo opened so they have their valuable terrorist training camp.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some fun stuff

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-december-7-2011/game-of-drones

Highly professional liars of course. Can't they do better?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/12/obama-secretly-preparing-for-syria-intervention/
"[quote]After several weeks of having no top-level administration meetings to discuss the Syria crisis, the National Security Council (NSC) has begun an informal, quiet interagency process to create and collect options for aiding the Syrian opposition, two administration officials confirmed to The Cable.[/quote]

(Sibel Edmonds comments)
Right! According to these ‘reporters’, up until now our imperialistic hawks have been sitting on their butts and doing absolutely nothing on Syria’s months-long prewar crisis! Just read the following by MSM’s favorite source WINEP, and please try not to laugh:

[quote]Andrew Tabler, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that the administration was caught off-guard by how the opposition became militarized so quickly. The administration’s message had been to urge the opposition to remain peaceful, but that ship has now sailed, he said.[/quote]"


Sibel Edmonds makes BFN appearing amateurish on reading official news stories. All those small lies in media are FACTUAL, not conspiracy thinking. We can take on these lies, or swim in lies.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:38 am    Post subject: What i think is going on. what do u think? Reply with quote

leon wrote:

And here is what it is telling me:
Anglo-American elite gone totally berserk due to the fact of their crumbling dollar financial empire built around City of London and Wall Street. All attacks on the Euro and other world’s currency could only extend the lifespan of US dollar maybe another 3 – 7 years.
When financial dominance will be gone



Nonsense. They just needed an excuse to kick the wealth extraction mechanisms from fiat banking into overdrive in order to fund their giant game of steal the bacon (from themselves) in the ME. The wound on the beast will be short lived , healed, and the head made stronger. They also needed to have a catalyst to implement a fiscal union in the EU to complement the Monetary union. That part will probably fail, causing the eurozone to fail with it (oops bad gambit on their part). In the short term this will strengthen the dollar and the American/Brit faction long enough to contribute to a newer fiscal union in the eurozone. Longer term this will cause 3 major currencies to emerge (rather than 1 dollar) that will need to be consolidated into 1 major currency, playing the entire monetary before fiscal union drama on a world stage rather than just a euro stage. Who says the London center needs the dollar or the pound after the 3-7years is up if they own assets denominated in other currencies they get on the cheap?

My best guess is that the new emerging asian economic faction pushes Russia into the european faction right as mid term American financials finally go kaput for good in light of a recovering europe and a partially disengaged asia. This is doable once "American" influence significantly wanes. I believe this was foreseen, American might was intended on being wasted as a catalyst for ME change, exhausting the american and islamic societies for the sake of global world order. Military capabilities notwithstanding.

Obama is pursing a more cost effective strategy of supporting color revolutions (even if u don't think we are behind it all we are helping it now) rather than the neoconservative version of boots on the ground. Meaningless sabre rattling will continue to occur with Iran but no real actions should be taken.

This should continue under a hilary clinton presidency or a romney one (or whoever they run in 2016). If they even need to run the gambit that long.

Im just hoping we can catch them with their pants down and run a candidate that will stop the bailouts / transfers of taxpayer money. If we catch them in the middle of the gambit, they could hopefully have some real problems and totter over the edge.

Any clue as to why Ru/Ch are abandoning Assad? Fintane? thats an interesting bit. Are they withdrawing support for baathists in total or just him?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, very pro-ish sounding post. Few clarifications, please:

“Who says the London center needs the dollar or the pound after the 3-7years is up if they own assets denominated in other currencies they get on the cheap?”
Well, the dollar has a strong sentimental value for the majority of the population of our little planet. Any major failure of the dollar will lead to popular skepticism toward any new currency and will enormously prolong the Depression.
Regarding the assets on the cheap – yes, that’s right but in Depressional conditions subject to popular sentiments for Nationalization of ill-gotten property.

“Obama is pursing a more cost effective strategy of supporting color revolutions (even if u don't think we are behind it all we are helping it now) rather than the neoconservative version of boots on the ground. Meaningless sabre rattling will continue to occur with Iran but no real actions should be taken.”
Yes, I agree that Obama being the master of deception (or at least he thinks) pursing a more cost effective strategy of supporting color revolutions. But I don’t think it worked in Iran. So military options are very much on the table (look what’s happening now in the Strait of Hormuz). Besides it looks like Obama is totally out of the game now, the US is run by Principles Committee (Hillary, Holder, Panetta, Petraeus)

“Any clue as to why Ru/Ch are abandoning Assad?”
I am not sure where have you gotten that idea? The Syrian shores are bristling with Russian Yakhont supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles that could inflict substantial damage even on American carrier battle group.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didn't say Syria, i said Assad , and that question was more directed at fintane since he's the one that brought it up.

dollar sentimental value? comeon ur really stretching it now. Nationalization schemes only serve the interests of the guys that own the country, and if the country happens to be apart of some newly enchanted regional superstate then all it amounts to is a socialist government providing repo man services for a socialist superstate. (the non socialist obstructionists seem to be the german courts right now). Dollar skepticism will be warmly embraced by most europeans and asians as a panacea as the reason for global economic woes in light of severe anti american sentiment they hold. By the time this dollar collapse occurs (i predict slight strengthening in the short/mid term) the Asean block will have significantly decoupled from the american consumer/financial market (having moved to bilateral currency trading with russia , japan, and other asian countries). This will also occur with a newly reconstituted european block (7-10) years out. Once this occurs it will be americas turn. Dissatisfaction with other competing currencies is the only reason the dollar is still viably the worlds reserve.

Sabre rattling to and from Iran doesn't scare me, they aren't going there. Im not much of a military equipment expert, but is my understanding that Iran's only viable delivery system is hezbollah / hamas, and a regime change in syria + the securing of lebanon would give israel a lot more breathing room then messing with Iran directly. Whether that actually plays out that way will have to be seen.

Military games with the Iranian leadership only serves to consolidate the constituencies of both factions and is a shell game. It is no different than the cold war when we were giving Russians industrial capital and financing while at the same time initiating "containment" strategy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

US sanctions on Iran's central bank. Tehran has called this an act of war.

DEBKAfile Special Report January 1, 2012.
Obama signs toughest sanctions yet against Iran
On the last day of 2011, US President Barack Obama Saturday signed into law measures penalizing foreign financial institutions doing business with Iran's central bank, Bank Markazi - the toughest sanctions yet for Iran's program for developing a nuclear weapon. In recent weeks, Tehran has repeatedly warned that the signing of this measure would be deemed an act of war and elicit drastic steps including the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

Tehran appears to be heading for a showdown.

Read more: http://www.debka.com/article/21609/

Sounds like there is a little more to "saber rattling” than our friend “NuTroll” wants us to believe. Certain circles on City of London/Wall Street would love to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and have oil increase 500% overnight. That would play nicely into their futures swindles. That would also drastically increase demand for US dollars. Watch for a nice USD pop.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Certain circles on City of London/Wall Street would love to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and have oil increase 500% overnight. That would play nicely into their futures swindles."

Right, let's say 100%
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