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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hawaiian Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's just announced 2020 presidential bid has unleashed fury from both the right and the left, but more so from within her own party, and especially from corners long focused on regime change in Syria and who generally lobby for a more muscular "boots on the ground" foreign policy from Ukraine to Syria to Afghanistan.

Some pundits have already gone so far as to say "keep an eye on her finances," suggesting illegal foreign campaign funding through Damascus or Moscow.

Both neocons and liberal interventionists alike have united to slam the anti-war progressive as "Assad's mouthpiece in Washington" and an "Assad apologist" and of course there's the customary “Putin puppet” slur — the latter because as journalist Michael Tracey puts it, she "hasn't been sufficiently Russiagate-crazy for Democrats".

The former charge was regularly sounded after her early 2017 trip to Damascus to meet privately with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in a diplomatic gesture to personally investigate the West's regime change efforts and its consequences for the Syrian people. The move was slammed by fellow Congressional Democrats, who raised questions over possible violation of the Logan Act.

Funny enough as a mixed race far-left congresswoman (of American Samoan descent), Hindu, and US Army reserve officer one would think she would be lionized by the left given her "impeccable identity-politics bona fides".

But her unforgivable sin? She's long made it a central goal of her political career to "end America's interventionist wars of regime change that have cost our nation trillions of dollars and thousands of lives," for which she's introduced Syria-related resolutions in Congress toward that end.

She's also accused Washington's covert regime change efforts as fueling the rise of ISIS and playing "the protective big brother of al-Qaeda and other jihadists" — a charge repeated just two days after the last nation-wide 9/11 remembrance from the house floor.

Considering that Congresswoman Gabbard herself is an Iraq war veteran and current Army reserve officer who served in the aftermath of 9/11, it's all the more powerful and rare that a sitting Congress member would make such forceful comments exposing the hypocrisy and contradictions of US policy.

She's identified the primary impetus for her 2020 candidacy as follows:

"There is one main issue that is central to the rest,
and that is the issue of war and peace.
"



No doubt, this alone will send the beltway zero skin-in-the-game armchair hawks and theorists into foaming at the mouth rants of Gabbard "endangering our national security" should she ever get anywhere close to clinching the Democratic nomination.

The neocon smear machine has already revved into high gear - something consistent on both sides of the aisle:

    “Assad’s ‘mouthpiece’ in Washington” —RNC welcomes Tulsi Gabbard to the presidential race with a moniker that many liberals probably agree with as well pic.twitter.com/WJJrP1aJv1

    — Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) January 12, 2019
    Tired of Putin? Vote Assad 2020!!!!!!! https://t.co/aMMF71wz69

    — Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) January 11, 2019
    Tulsi Gabbard’s disturbing and singular denialism of Assad’s role in the brutal butchering of his own people, obliging a meeting with him and spreading his propaganda should be disqualifying. pic.twitter.com/EI3UiEvLuu

    — S.E. Cupp (@secupp) January 12, 2019
    Having personally experienced the ravages of one regime change war and its lasting consequences for both common Iraqis and the American people, she's emerged as a "Ron Paul of the Left" of sorts (strictly speaking on foreign policy that is).


And like Paul before, she could emerge in 2020 as a rare voice spotlighting Washington's addiction to regime change and "endless wars" abroad, and the military-industrial complex's fueling America's "global policeman" mentality, and its blindly obedient cheerleaders in the mainstream media. This will at the very least make the foreign policy debate during the next election — usually a mere single point of view establishment echo chamber — more interesting.

In the meantime, what does the virulent hatred of Gabbard's anti-war stance reveal? As Nassim Taleb summarized: The "left" is just as owned by weapon makers as the "right".

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Gabbard 2020 presidential run may sound like fun
especially watching the old neocons going into cardiac arrest

but she won't get the party's nomination because of what is said
in the article.

a major feature of the swamp is the fake "2 party" system
if you just drain the swamp, it can fill back up and become a swamp again

Changing the landscape and bulldozing "2-party" system would go a long way in converting wasted northern Virginia land back into production

Trump should wait a while, then announce in his reelection campaign
that he is dumping Pence ( a neocon he needed to get elected) and choosing Gabbard as VP. This would in effect create a new centrist party
this would leave the far left and far right high and dry
Trump/Gabbard 2020
they are not that far apart on a lot of issues
with Trump being more pragmatic on how to get to those issues

this would set Gabbard up for a 2024 presidential run
Gabbard/Paul 2024

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
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Hawaiian Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's just announced 2020 presidential bid has unleashed fury from both the right and the left, but more so from within her own party, and especially from corners long focused on regime change in Syria and who generally lobby for a more muscular "boots on the ground" foreign policy from Ukraine to Syria to Afghanistan.

Some pundits have already gone so far as to say "keep an eye on her finances," suggesting illegal foreign campaign funding through Damascus or Moscow.

Both neocons and liberal interventionists alike have united to slam the anti-war progressive as "Assad's mouthpiece in Washington" and an "Assad apologist" and of course there's the customary “Putin puppet” slur — the latter because as journalist Michael Tracey puts it, she "hasn't been sufficiently Russiagate-crazy for Democrats".

The former charge was regularly sounded after her early 2017 trip to Damascus to meet privately with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in a diplomatic gesture to personally investigate the West's regime change efforts and its consequences for the Syrian people. The move was slammed by fellow Congressional Democrats, who raised questions over possible violation of the Logan Act.

Funny enough as a mixed race far-left congresswoman (of American Samoan descent), Hindu, and US Army reserve officer one would think she would be lionized by the left given her "impeccable identity-politics bona fides".

But her unforgivable sin? She's long made it a central goal of her political career to "end America's interventionist wars of regime change that have cost our nation trillions of dollars and thousands of lives," for which she's introduced Syria-related resolutions in Congress toward that end.

She's also accused Washington's covert regime change efforts as fueling the rise of ISIS and playing "the protective big brother of al-Qaeda and other jihadists" — a charge repeated just two days after the last nation-wide 9/11 remembrance from the house floor.

Considering that Congresswoman Gabbard herself is an Iraq war veteran and current Army reserve officer who served in the aftermath of 9/11, it's all the more powerful and rare that a sitting Congress member would make such forceful comments exposing the hypocrisy and contradictions of US policy.

She's identified the primary impetus for her 2020 candidacy as follows:

"There is one main issue that is central to the rest,
and that is the issue of war and peace.
"



No doubt, this alone will send the beltway zero skin-in-the-game armchair hawks and theorists into foaming at the mouth rants of Gabbard "endangering our national security" should she ever get anywhere close to clinching the Democratic nomination.

The neocon smear machine has already revved into high gear - something consistent on both sides of the aisle:

    “Assad’s ‘mouthpiece’ in Washington” —RNC welcomes Tulsi Gabbard to the presidential race with a moniker that many liberals probably agree with as well pic.twitter.com/WJJrP1aJv1

    — Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) January 12, 2019
    Tired of Putin? Vote Assad 2020!!!!!!! https://t.co/aMMF71wz69

    — Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) January 11, 2019
    Tulsi Gabbard’s disturbing and singular denialism of Assad’s role in the brutal butchering of his own people, obliging a meeting with him and spreading his propaganda should be disqualifying. pic.twitter.com/EI3UiEvLuu

    — S.E. Cupp (@secupp) January 12, 2019
    Having personally experienced the ravages of one regime change war and its lasting consequences for both common Iraqis and the American people, she's emerged as a "Ron Paul of the Left" of sorts (strictly speaking on foreign policy that is).


And like Paul before, she could emerge in 2020 as a rare voice spotlighting Washington's addiction to regime change and "endless wars" abroad, and the military-industrial complex's fueling America's "global policeman" mentality, and its blindly obedient cheerleaders in the mainstream media. This will at the very least make the foreign policy debate during the next election — usually a mere single point of view establishment echo chamber — more interesting.

In the meantime, what does the virulent hatred of Gabbard's anti-war stance reveal? As Nassim Taleb summarized: The "left" is just as owned by weapon makers as the "right".


If she is for real,,,,she would get my vote
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