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lyspy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:44 am    Post subject: 2012 - The Year of Solutions Reply with quote

2011 was certainly a turning point in our awareness of problems.

2012 is the turning point for solutions.

Let this thread be devoted to solutions.

By way of setting a scene...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: As easy as ... Reply with quote

1) Get out of debt and stay out of debt (as best you can, as this reduces the leverage against you).
2) Impress upon your elected officials that any preference of corporate interests over those of the general populace will be considered as an incitement to recall or at least a vote against their re-election.
3) Demonstrate and distribute as much information as you can to make people aware of how little monetary control they and their government exert compared to the banking and financial sectors.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High priorities
Make sure you and your family have water and food enough
Make sure you can defend your family and food against robber gangs
If your housing is unsure, make sure have outdoor equipment (does not cost much, be helps a lot)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High priorities
Make sure you and your family have water and food enough
Make sure you can defend your family and food against robber gangs
If your housing is unsure, make sure you have outdoor equipment (does not cost much, but helps a lot.

This is basically a sound strategy

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thorium-based liquid salt breeder reactors and Fischer-Tropsch process solution for all our energy needs
From: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2491667

What is Thorium? It's a fertile material. That means that when struck by a neutron in a reactor it transmutes via a nuclear process to an element that is capable of fission. Note that Thorium itself is not fissionable - that is, it will not (directly) split and release energy. Instead it captures thermal neutrons and turns into Uranium-233. U-233 is fissile.
Consider this: There is 13 times as much energy in coal in the form of Thorium as there is available by burning the coal, and right now we literally throw it away in the ash pile!
There is a type of nuclear reactor that utilizes this fuel cycle. Instead of the traditional nuclear reactor which uses water as a moderator and coolant (either a boiling or pressurized water reactor) these reactors use a liquid salt. In the vernacular they're called "LFTR"s, pronounced "Lifter."

You've probably never heard of them. But they're not pie in the sky dreams. US ran one for nearly four years in the 1960s at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. It was scrapped in favor of the traditional uranium fuel cycle we use today because the fuel it produces is very difficult to exploit for nuclear weapons, and it breeds fuel at a slow rate. The natural process of the nuclear reactions in the core of such a unit produces a byproduct that is a very strong gamma emitter that is difficult to separate from the other reaction products. For this reason - and because we wanted both nuclear power and nuclear weapons - we built the infrastructure for uranium and plutonium rather than thorium.
Thorium-based reactors have several significant advantages and a few disadvantages. We have much less experience with LFTRs than traditional nuclear power, simply because we stopped working with them for political and war-fighting reasons. They use a fluoride salt which is quite reactive when in contact with water, but the reactivity is a bonus in all other respects, because it tends to encapsulate the reaction products (the nasty fission products that you don't want in the environment) through that same chemical process. It runs at a much higher temperature (typically 650C) than a traditional reactor and unlike a traditional reactor the fuel and the working fluid is the same - there are no fuel rods that can melt and release their nasty fission product elements, as the fuel is dispersed in the coolant.

Finally, the unit is intrinsically safe. It does not require high pressure; the working fluid and coolant is a liquid at ordinary atmospheric pressure. This gets rid of the need for high-pressure pumps, pipes and similar materials. Without the moderator the reactivity is insufficient to sustain a chain reaction, and the moderator is in the reactor vessel itself through which the fuel/coolant is pumped, so criticality is impossible outside of the reactor vessel and inside the vessel the fuel and coolant are the same, and a liquid. The working fluid is contained in the reactor loop by an actively-cooled plug. If power is lost cooling ceases and the plug melts; the working fluid then drains into tanks by gravity under the reactor and cools into a solid, as it cannot maintain criticality outside of the reactor itself (there's no moderator in the tank or the plumbing.) As the fuel is in the fluid, there is no core to melt as occurred in Japan and being dispersed over a much larger area the working fluid naturally cools from liquid to solid without forced pumping and cooling. This safety feature was regularly tested in the unit at Oak Ridge - they literally turned off the power on the weekends and simply went home!
One final piece of information: The Germans figured out how to turn coal into synfuel - gasoline and diesel - before WWII. This process, called Fischer-Tropsch, requires energy to drive it and is currently in commercial use in some places that have a lot of coal but little or no oil, such as South Africa. Malaysia also has an operating plant. Typical operating temperatures for this process are in the neighborhood of ~350C.
Let us assume we consume twice the fuel content of the coal extracting the thorium. We have 11x the original energy left (once in combustion of the coal, and 10x in thorium energy content.)

We will then use the Fischer-Tropsch process to turn the coal into synfuel - gasoline and diesel. We will be rather piggish about efficiency (that is, presume we're not efficient at all) and assume we put in twice as much energy as the coal contains in fuel content converting it. Since the process heat from the reactor is of higher quality (higher temperature) than the Fischer-Tropsch reaction requires by a good margin, we can do so directly without first converting to electricity (which would introduce more losses.)

We now have all of our gasoline and diesel fuel, and we also have 8x the original BTU content of the coal left in thorium energy content.

All is what required is political will and some 100 years 1% Federal Bonds discounted by Federal Reserve. Will create approximately 5 million Union wages jobs in US and pay for itself by reducing Imperial Oil region policing operations by the Pentagon. Not to speak of we will finally stop killing the people in the name of controlling the world oil flow by few Multinationals. To me it sounds a hell of a lot better than saving some pitifull pennies by putting 50 million Americans on $17/week or $2.43/day grocery ration
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i saw an ad today on network tv from some company that is promoting nuclear energy, with a greenpeace rep speaking for the advertiser. i'll have to find it online and post. not sure if this Thorium-based process is what they were referring to.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't get away from the idea of debt relief is a massive part of the solution. Not running away and hiding from the banks. A chasing down and bringing to judgement of them. Will post more detailed thoughts over the weekend...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fly me to the Moon: New space plans for Russia


The Russian space agency has announced it is to boost cooperation with its partners in the US and the European Union, and has called for the creation of a permanent base on the Moon.
In an interview with Vesti FM radio station, the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, said the agency was discussing with NASA and ESA the possibility of exploring the Moon.

A joint mission would prospect for water and natural resources on the Moon, and build a base for future space explorers. Between now and the year 2020, the agency plans to send two unmanned probes to the Earth’s satellite and is currently working on an advanced manned transportation system capable of reaching the Moon, Popovkin said.

The Roscosmos chief added that the final goal of the proposed Lunar project would be to create either a base on the Moon or a station in proximity to the satellite.

That kind of "can do" attitude we need in the new 2012 year. Not pathetic penny-pinching from grandmas
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good video. I'd like to emphasise, as I did in a previous thread, that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to charging interest on loans. Not all interest is usury.

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=71511

urbanspaceman wrote:
Somehow usury and interest became synonyms at some point, and this has confused this issue (possibly on purpose to make usury socially acceptable). Interest is okay, usury is not. Making a loan is a shared risk between 2 parties, and if there is profit it's right that the profit should be shared through interest payments. But if a loan is given knowing there is never any chance of profit (ie. of something extra being produced from the loan, some real wealth), it is wrong to ask for interest payments. That's usury -- expecting interest on a non-productive loan.

The clearest thinker that I know of on this topic was poet Hilaire Belloc:
http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/belloc2-2.htm

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…today Usury works side by side with legitimate profit, and, confused with it, has become universal throughout what used to be Christian civilization. It is taken for granted that every loan shall bear interest, without inquiring whether it be productive or unproductive. The whole financial side of our civilization is still based on that false conception.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two issues: Usury and Counterfeiting. Usury could be defined as loaning money at interest not for productive purposes (e.g. creating new assets or services), but rather to bid up existing assets (e.g. blowing up asset bubbles like stocks, housing, commodities). That is what separates the legitimate Productive Capital from the Usurious Fondi. Productive Capital comes from legitimate savings; Usurious Fondi comes from Counterfeiting activity.

Counterfeiting is the ability of private banks to issue checks against Public Credit, something they don’t own, using their arbitrary privileged position, and collecting interest payments on something that never belonged to them in the first place. Governments, usually through legitimately operating Central banks are perfectly capable of monetizing the Public Credit on their own. There is a much better chance that Governments would use the Public Credit for the Common Public Welfare through a normally functioning Democratic Process (that is freed up from bankers influence) than the private banks.

Good example would be a European Central Bank that is prohibited from loaning money to the Governments, leaving that privilege to Private Banks who loan the money monetized from the European Nations Credit back to corresponding Governments – biggest swindle in modern history. That is one of the reasons for the current European Debt crisis. (US Fed is in slightly better position since it could on its own finance the US Government deficit by buying US Treasuries).

So what is Credit? Credit is not money. Credit is an honest plan, a project, to increase certain productive capacity in the future. For example, the plan to build a technologically advanced Thorium Liquid Sault Reactor that produces electricity and gasoline converted from coal using the reactor’s heat.
When project is approved by rigorous scientific and technological review, it could be than monetized by Central Bank into Bank Deposits of Enterprise that is managing the project.

The real underlying cause of the modern Crisis is criminal misuse of the Public Credit for non-productive, speculative activity
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoting Kent nerburn.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?10833-Simple-Truths-by-Kent-Nerburn&s=acb2412af108c6de1673307be62b8cfe
Stay away from debt in your personal life. Debt, not poverty, is the greatest enemy of financial well-being and peace of mind. There are massive forces arrayed in the world to tell you of the great benefits of debt. They will tell you that by borrowing you establish your legitimacy in the eyes of lenders, and that you can have tomorrow's pleasures at today's prices.
They will present arguments and inducements that are convincing and seductive. They dress debt in a suit and call it credit. But it all comes down to the same thing: You have mortgaged your future to pay for your present, and this is something you don't ever want to do. Debt can make you money because it allows you to invest. Debt can help you in the present and leave your problems for what you hope will be a better time in the future.
But debt defines your future, and when your future is defined, hope begins to die. You have committed your life to making money to pay for your past. Stay away from debt if you can. There is no sadder sight than the person with dreams and promise whose eyes have dulled and whose days are spent pushing the heavy wheel of debt toward an endless horizon. [Simple Truths]


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Stay away from debt in your personal life"

What a wonderful advice!! Under current dominant Monetary System it is equivalent to "stay away from money and die quietly"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a friend who for years she and her family have not ever gotten into much debt (house paid off) and have what they believe is an honest accountant - which he's been.

They have invested in the markets via dividend-paying stocks. Obviously, they trust their blue stocks and for the most part, those have performed relatively decently and what losses happened in 2008 have somewhat corrected, nevertheless, their shares still pay the nice divs.

I think my friend must be at least a little worried about what the markets and blue chip stocks are going to be doing if any real SHTF happens... but overall, she and her family have been about as conservative as anyone I know with their wages and salaries, and their spending habits. They have lived through the depression to teach their kids (my friend) the best way a lower-middleclass/working-class person should save - and not get into debt. (They never went on spending sprees and don't own anything fabulous, whether that's a gadget or clothing or homes or cars, nor do they go off on vacations other than a few hundred miles' drive in-country to a family-type sea-side resort.)

In times like these, I truly respect that they were so careful all their lives. They will have something if Soc Sec goes away. I respect that they (even if worried) never gave up nor spent the money or went into debt thinking that the markets are bullshit and so they'd better buy some new Lexus or Hummers every 2 years.

What if everyone else had done this the past 50-75 years?

Obviously, I am not speaking for those who have had incidents of major health issues or who mortgaged their homes to send junior to college rather than junior working his way through college. But you can see that if one gets behind in debt and a major event happens, their hopes of paying off that debt becomes a huge burden to chase and pay for a long, long time when adversity happens. Many of us fall into that category these days.

The dogs were let out to fuck with people's ability to save and own anything outright. It was an easy sham and many borrowers took the bait. What the investment bank sector did later was capitalize on people's stupidity of having "faith in markets" and so forth. You can't put faith into a future obligation and call it an investment. The bankers could do that way better than any individual note holder could... and the borrowers were not very aware of that fact that if the bankers' investments went bust, so would the borrowers', and then some (like entire nations).

But on went the games.

Like you say leon, and a lot of us here, there's only so much debt that can be backed in real assests... the real estate of individuals, businesses, corporations, etc that hold property which are the liens for the initial lent moneys... but then more moneys were lent (leveraged), and more assests that should not have been legitimate, come into play. Land and building mortgage holders and pension plans, etc, are the first line of losers, including the insurance-policy holders (how cool was it that those policies were backed by the people and now are indebted whether they borrowed money or not)...

But what of all these exponentially expanded debts created by derivatives? These have no other backing than future slavery, correct? That is the hot-potato that no one wants to be left with in their hands and the piper is calling.

Isn't it comical (sadly lest you think I'm laughing really) that no amount of real money exists, nor gold, to pay those off - and if there were, why should it be paid off? It was a rip-off of the century, and yet, seemingly legitimate by legal standards when the rules were made for these things to happen legitimately (however co-erced nations were and are now to fund these problems).

The financiers' and their lawmakers are instead calling for full privatization of all govt (people's) property and the future wages of society-at-large. It was the great swindle that the ordinary person took the initial bait for. And the true owners are simply saying, "Ha ha, you owe us by contract." Where they don't have a contract, they negotiate one via proxy of everyone's wages and pensions, etc, because someone's got to pay for it. Certainly not the too-big-to-fails. That would collapse civilization, you know. (Not so sure if it would, but I imagine since the mega-wealthy have a better police department, it seems fairly realistic that we're fucked coming and going.)

So we're threatened with psycho factions meantime, in order to keep funding police units that protect the movements of trade. Well, someone's buying the stuff or there'd be no trade. So now if we add in the guilded global market and 7 billion people of which several billion are in worse shape than death, and a connected population online, what did the globalists think would happen if a large percent of those people got smart and protested? I don't know if they forsaw that, but let's say they did (cuz they can't be that stupid)... would they not make things more difficult?

On the other hand, what do we do with 7 billion people anyway? I bet some of them would work for far less than what Chinese, Indonesians, and Indians already do. And I bet some of them are happier than shit to own an iPod. I also bet that when the mega-corps and financiers are done with the USA (which may be imminent), they will do the same to China and India. It may take a few hundred years for that cycle, but can you imagine the fortunes???

These globalists were never into slow progress. When some communist shit hits their fan, they move to the next continent. When thinking about the catch-phrase, "New American Century," what are they referring to? A new global market where the USA and/or North & South America rule the universe, or that the non-national globalist and its global laws rule the world? But were they indeed Americans and thinking America, would they not also be thinking "beat the others to it" (meaning the emerging powers)?

We can't know what really is going on except from what we see on the ground and in all these documentaries all over YouTube. And then which to believe is truth is upon the viewer... and some whistleblowers, and people in power who sometimes drop clever language at the masses, on and off-the-record, on and off-queue.

The mis-info and misleading is all over the place. Even still, everyone's own experience is truth, yet those truths vary as well. Why? Because some people are getting good jobs still and feel everything is fine so long as you try to excel... that's their truth. I know a lot of them and they are correct. I also know those who have done everything they could and have the education yet find no work. Thirty years ago or so, the Chinese had nothing for their peasants. Now they work in factories and are trying to get ahead. Americans were pissed that they were starving over there in China. Now they have our jobs. We want industrialists to be fair. Their job is to maximize profits. Same goes for the military contractors. We want these things to work perfectly, but in essence, they are all actually in conflict-of-interest to be fair and equitable when some other contractor or industrialist knocks the fair-players out of the game.

This is the clusterfuck. That's why some people are calling for less American involvement and more nationalism. Somehow, we can make American businesses behave fairly... and stay here at home.

How likely is getting big business to behave fairly in our world compared to any other century? How likely is a population of citizenry going to stop them by way of legislation? By way of protest? By way of mass global revolution? And no one... NO ONE would sell any of them out along the way????? Are we talking about human beings... the very ones who (many, many times in history) can be bought for any price?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red, since we are not on hard money system (money backed by real physical things that humans could make a use of) if everybody behaved like your thrifty friends we’d be flat on our asses in the most severe deflationary crash (nobody has any money to move a finger) that anybody could imagine.
You have to think what the debt money system really means: every dollar in circulation has to be borrowed into existence either by the Government through the Fed or by individuals through Private Banks. But that system doesn’t issue the money necessary to pay back in interest, so there is always not enough money in circulation. Besides, it guarantees that somebody must go bust and default – just arithmetical reality.
So the only natural outcome of such system is hyperbolical progression of money creation backed now pretty much by nothing, not even payable debt. That is why we are in the crisis – we just at the end of the line before hyperinflationary blowout and big banks using their political influence rushing to cash their chips in to get real assets using the Government (e.g. taxpayer) leverage.
When it is all over (by no means for humanity, just the current money system), those who are big Banks today would be wealthy land owners, factory owners, hard-asset owners, your owners. The rest of us will be holding the bag looking like stupid asholes that we really are for our delusional believe in MONEY.
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