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James D



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some highlights of last night's ITV EU Referendum Debate with the curious kind of editing that suggests they're maybe tending towards Boris in this particular Tory Civil War Wink



http://www.thenational.scot/news/its-a-whopper-sturgeon-nails-the-big-boris-lie-in-eu-debate.18638



Why would Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon campaign to stay in the European Union but want to leave the UK? - Easy! - It's in Scotland's interest!



http://www.thenational.scot/comment/gordon-macintyre-kemp-westminster-thinks-we-live-in-a-post-truth-world.18613



http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/wee_bleu_book



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Eutopia
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/09/eutopia/

As England lurches to the right and Blair readies his army of lawyers for the incoming Chilcott, as Hillary glides on a sea of cash into pole position for the American Democratic candidacy, and countries like Spain teeter on the brink of social and political crisis, as Nicola Sturgeon prepares to defend Britain and Scotland’s place in Europe, we are at another tipping-point with radically different outcomes.

First up let’s be clear it’s definitely an Exit not a Brexit. Leave or Remain is an English question, initiated by a tiny group of public schoolboys based on a series of myths about Europe inculcated and obsessed on by the English tabloid media for decades. So from current polling it looks possible that England and Wales will vote for Brexit while Scotland may vote to Remain at a level that will keep the UK in the EU. More likely we will be removed against our will and in direct contradiction of the lies of the referendum. This much we know. We saw this coming. ...
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False Victim Status
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This is Britannia Unchained.

The idea that Britain is being held back by egregious EU bureaucracy, that pesky Human Rights Act or similar is just part of the pattern of mass delusion that is being indulged in. Exit will only accelerate and exacerbate these abuses of workers rights as the far-right is further emboldened.
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Of course the British Parliament and its institutions work on behalf of the British State and an economic class and strata. But the constant pride and propaganda that is pumped out to celebrate these institutions and traditions – combined with a political culture that has already swallowed wholesale the myths of a country stolen, undermined or at threat by external forces – means that the energy for an alternative is nowhere to be seen.

Britain is broken, but England doesn’t have the energy or intuition to do anything about it. This is a country built on bunting. Get the Carling out, it’s the Euros.



The BBC (are they backing David against Boris?) brings out "those two ageing political rock stars on a farewell tour" ( Shocked Laughing Wink ) John and Tony -





Jack get's it -



Come on now folks, here's Canned Heat to take us out with some good advice -



Europe is "better together"with us in it - Vote Remain!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EU Referendum: Massive swing to Brexit
– with just 13 days to go


Exclusive: polling carried out for ‘The Independent’ shows that 55 per cent of
UK voters intend to vote for Britain to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum


The campaign to take Britain out of the EU has opened up a remarkable 10-point lead over the Remain camp, according to an exclusive poll for The Independent.

The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 55 per cent believe the UK should leave the EU, while 45 per cent want it to remain. These figures are weighted to take account of people’s likelihood to vote.

Even when the findings are not weighted for turnout, Leave is on 53 per cent (up three points since April) and Remain on 47 per cent (down three).

Differential turnout could prove crucial. ORB found that 78 per cent of Leave supporters say they will definitely vote – describing themselves as a “10” on a scale of 0-10, while only 66 per cent of Remain supporters say the same.

The results will heighten fears in the Remain campaign that it is losing ground among Labour supporters, who are seen as critical to securing victory for it. According to ORB, 56 per cent of people who voted for Labour at last year’s general election now back Remain when turnout is taken into account, but a dangerously high 44 per cent support Leave. Only 38 per cent of Tory voters endorse David Cameron’s stance by backing Remain, while 62 per cent support Leave.

The ORB survey highlights the stark generational differences over the EU. Seven out of 10 people aged 18-24 back Remain and 30 per cent Leave. Support for Leave rises up the age scale to 64 per cent among those aged 55 and over (figures weighted for turnout). Crucially, just over half (56 per cent) of 18-24 year-olds say they will definitely vote, compared to more than 80 per cent of those aged 55 and over.

Support for EU membership is highest in Scotland, with 60 per cent backing Remain. But a majority of people in every other region of Great Britain favour withdrawal when turnout is taken into account. In London, seen as a strong area for the Remain campaign, only 44 per cent back staying in the EU and 56 per cent favour voting to leave. This is due to the turnout factor. Only 66 per cent of people in London say they will definitely vote, the lowest of any region.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soundbites and captions....I am not playing into this bullshit game by voting because no matter which way the vote goes the object is not lose power but hey "your voice matters".

As for this notion of the sky falls the moment a country dares to leave the EU.....
Ask the Spanish folks how they are loving the EU, you know the great prosperity in which the youth have a 40% plus percent unemployment rate.
Greece of course, where the heroic Syriza who really saved the day, only pensions have been cut by some 70% I believe now.
Ireland of course....Heck only hundreds of thousands of Irish people have abandoned Ireland, their country is in an awful state.
Portugal....Ah yes another shining example of prosperity there too..

I could go on of course, but I won't because hyperbolic bullshit about exit means recession or maybe even depression is an ironic warning given the depressions already being felt across Europe by countries deeply rooted in the EU.

Oh I guess I could mention Italy too, in which some regions have something approaching 70% unemployment. However never mind all that, let's talk of "exceptionalism" and let's throw in platitudes about how "we are all in it together, and of course, don't blame johnny foreigner, johnny foreigner is just like us".

As for unelected, SCUM, lol, what the fuck? the implication being that is not precisely what the European Commission is, but the difference being that the latter then has power to wield over many countries, thus an even greater population.

The whole thing is a fucking joke, you have schoolboy chums Cameron and Boris, both jewish by the way on "opposite" sides of the fence on this issue apparently and then you have Corbyn, who is also of Jewish descent campaigning to stay in the EU too. By the way....NO i could give a fuck that they are jewish, I give a fuck what they have been doing to this country.

It's all a circus for what end? who the fuck knows.....if this is about the "NWO" wanting to get out of the NWO EU which is now going to be turned into a Non NWO EU then what the fuck? doesn't sound very plausible given what the EU has done even in the last few years via the overthrow of legitimately elected governments in italy and Greece. That alone should send chills down the "better in Europe" crowd, but nope, they love it, because they are married to an idea that countries are "evil" what we need are superstates. Democracy is to be treasured until it's deemed that it's an obstacle and then it's to be decried.

Fuck this charade
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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stillsearchingtruth: Fuck this charade

Great three-word overview dude, for sure! Laughing Laughing

Voting Remain or Leave is mostly just choosing whom to get fucked by.
If the British are escaping the EU Banksters & Bureaucrats - only to be
raped by the UK-based NWO Banksters instead - that's hardly progress.

That said, the neoliberal agenda is in terminal decline in the EU, due to
the nationalist and socialist revolts underway across the continent. So the
NWO wants the UK out before there is a nightmare wholesale rejection of
the Bankster/Corporate economic model.

French aren't that keen on the EU either:

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AFTER BREXIT, FREXIT?
POLL SHOWS FRENCH WANT A REFERENDUM TOO


Research finds demand for U.K.-style membership votes in other EU countries.
BY JOSH LOWE ON 3/14/16 AT 1:40 PM

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting contrast between Leave and Remain supporters.

I highlighted the social groups whom "Leave" voters distrust the MOST!

(Distrust with good reason in many respects lol )



Most distrusted by comparison with Remain voters are:

U.N., IMF, Bank of England, Academics, Think-Tanks and Economists. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voting Remain or Leave is mostly just choosing whom to get fucked by.
If the British are escaping the EU Banksters & Bureaucrats - only to be
raped by the UK-based NWO Banksters instead - that's hardly progress.

That said, the neoliberal agenda is in terminal decline in the EU, due to
the nationalist and socialist revolts underway across the continent.
So the
NWO wants the UK out before there is a nightmare wholesale rejection of
the Bankster/Corporate economic model.


Abso-fucking-lutely! Even though it's not much of a choice - who wants to be "raped by the UK-based NWO Banksters"!? So ...



http://www.thenational.scot/cartoon/the-boris-johnson-experience.75



It seems to me that the people in England (80% of the UK electorate) are walking blissfully, blindfolded over the White Cliffs of Dover after decades of being spoon fed the type of racist progaganda produced daily by the likes of The Sun, The Daily Mail and all the CCM (Corporate Controlled Media) including the BBC. The result is an electorate that is so dumbed down and so up its own arse at the same time, and now all the turkeys are coming home to roost for Christmas!


http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/10/leaving-europe-live-on-itv/

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Getting Nippy
http://derekbateman.scot/2016/06/12/getting-nippy/

A few weeks is hardly enough time to debate the huge implications of the European Union, let alone explain how the whole bagatelle works. But there’s Britain, blundering into a potential exit with consequences nobody can truly know under the illusion that it will mean ‘regaining control’. A referendum shouldn’t be an expedient to get a party or a Prime Minister out of a tight spot and shouldn’t be scheduled for the high point of the social disillusion with government and an international refugee crisis we’re going through now – a kind of political total eclipse.

Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. Even the term Brexit has become the nom de guerre of the event and if anything embodies the ignorant and bellicose approach of much of Britain to the EU it is the bare-chested drunken thugs of the English football support. Away from the hushed corridors of Brussels there will be citizens in many member states quietly delighted to jettison the boorish Brits and their endless complaints, renegotiations and opt-outs.

We are now reaping what has been sown for 40 years by a political establishment which never consistently embraced the concept of a wider Europe beyond the idea of a massive Sunday market in which to flog our goods. Our politicians failed to agitate for an end to the mendacious and racist newspaper agenda which soured any and every attempt to inform the public. They played the game of othering Europe as if we weren’t actually part of it, allowed the idea to germinate that decisions we didn’t like were made by faceless foreigners when the UK had its own commissioners, senior civil servants, a permanent presence in the Council and 73 British MEPs.
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These are interesting times but, frankly I think they are also dangerous times. Hold on to your hats.



And the result? - England's finest cultural representatives endearing all to them with songs about ISIS and the IRA

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A Union Jack, A Six Pack & Away They Go
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-union-jack-a-six-pack-away-they-go/

If you’ve been watching the news over the last couple of days you’ll know that there’s been trouble in Marseilles, as England fans fought running battles with Russians, local supporters and the police
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The media has called this The English Disease; this arrogant booze fuelled lunacy best summed up on a TV documentary I saw where Darren Wells, a former member of Combat 18 and now a police informer, told the film-makers that it was all about being an “island race”, about how England once conquered the world, and how his kind of people wanted to make sure that when they visited a foreign city the people there remembered it for years afterwards.
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Note, too, that the whole sense of rank nationalism which you get from the media down south during these tournaments is a peculiar muddle of Old English history and the collective one of this island.

The French are the enemy, because of wars that took place hundreds of years ago, but so too are the Germans and the Argentines, two countries Scottish fans have no animosity towards but who’s countrymen certainly killed more than a few of ours. Yet those wars – the Second World War and the Falklands War – were both fought under the Union flag.

England claims them as its own, and in the way in which they can’t stop talking about them and celebrating them – and I use that word deliberately; this is not commemoration, this is celebrating – they are welcome to them. It makes entire swathes of the population seem bloodthirsty at best, and it is one of the contributing factors in the distrust of foreigners and the casual racism that forms the core of the Leave campaign for the EU referendum.
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Not satisfied with appropriating every war ever fought by the collective parts of these islands, these people simply can’t wait for the next one to present itself. As long it’s not lean, fit and wearing black. As long as it runs from the sight of a fat git in a Union Jack hat. As long as it can’t stand its ground under the Charge of the Shite Brigade.

For this is England. This is Britain.

It’s why I said Yes in one referendum and why I’ll vote Remain in another; because this bubble of poision has to be punctured once and for all.

If the EU as a whole had a vote in this one, I swear to God they’ve vote for us all to leave in an instant, just so they never had to listen to these whiny bigots ever again, and I cannot blame them for that at all.



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Europe: finding a role or losing the plot?
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/13/europe-finding-a-role-or-losing-the-plot/
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Whatever the outcome of the referendum Britain will not have found a “role”. We have achieved nothing, and evaded everything; but of course that is the founding principle of what the Duke of Wellington called, perhaps with a little unintended irony, the “parti conservateur”.



Ignorance is bliss it seems -

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Michael Gove's appeals to anti-intellectualism
https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/michael-goves-appeals-to-anti.html

When challenged to name some pro-Brexit economics experts, the Tory justice secretary and leading Brexiter Michael Gove said something really telling. Instead of naming some of the small minority of economists who believe that Britain should leave the EU (there actually are some), he declared that "people in this country have had enough of experts".
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When it comes to facts and figures there are clearly a lot of people suffering bizarrely warped misconceptions about the EU. The evidence is absolutely clear that an awful lot of British people massively over-estimate the negative aspects of the EU and severely under-estimate the positive ones. The source for the following statistics can be downloaded here.

The average Brexiter estimates that 20% of the UK population are EU migrants, when the real figure is 5%.

23% of people believed that the UK is the single biggest contributor to the EU budget. In reality the UK is fourth, a very long way behind Germany, and also behind France and Italy too. A whopping 84% of people falsely imagined that the UK was in the top three contributors.

The average guess for how much the EU spends on administration was 27%. The real figure is just 6%.

The average estimate for inward investment to the UK from the EU was 30%. The real figure is 48%. Conversely the average estimate for inward investment from China was 19% when the real figure is just 1%.

Only 12% of people correctly identified Germany as one of the three biggest contributors to EU migration into the UK (the other two are Poland and Ireland).

Over 40% of people didn't know that members of the European Parliament are directly elected (they are), while only 5% of people could actually name one of their local MEPs!

Another particularly shocking public misconception is that almost half of the people who estimated the level of child benefit payments made to children living overseas picked a percentage at least 40 times higher than the real number, and one in seven people thought the figure was 30% of the entire budget when the real figure is just 0.3% (a 100 fold over-estimate).
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-brexit-referendum-in-the-uk-a-1097629.html



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The Black Elephant in the Room
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/14/the-black-elephant-in-the-room/

The Black Elephant is a concept invented by Dougald Hine and Vinay Gupta: “The Black Elephant is an unholy union of two boardroom clichés: the Elephant in the Room, the thing which everyone knows is important, but no one will talk about; and the Black Swan, the hard-to-predict event which is outside the realm of normal expectations, but has enormous impact. The Black Elephant is an event which was quite foresee-able, which was in fact an Elephant in the Room, but which, after it happens, everyone will try to pass off as a Black Swan.”

Brexit is Britain’s Black Elephant. It’s been lumbering about for years now and is about to break down the door and smash the place up. As Roger Cohen writes this could have devastating consequences including the failure of the euro and subsequent financial turmoil, political destabilisation from increased disunity over the refugee crisis which would greatly benefit the far-right in France and England and opportunity for Putin’s Russia to threaten further in the Baltics. “Conditions seem ripe. Europe is increasingly unloved, its miracle too dull to be appreciated” he writes.
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…in its heart, England has already made its choice. It prefers out. The superficial reason for this is that in his heart, the prime minister also wants out. His official Remain campaign has not produced a good reason why we should want to be members of the EU apart from not being able to afford to leave – which is a way of agreeing that if we could afford to do so, we should
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We are left with the choice of the ‘least worst option’. It is to Remain but also to confront the other Black Elephant, that we are not voting to protect the EU’s undemocratic and remote structures and institutions, but voting to have a hand in remaking them. We should vote Remain but immediately engage in dismantling most of the dysfunctional structures of Europe and rebuild them.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/european-union-eu-britain-sovereignty

And what if the UK does vote to leave?
Will it mean #indyref2?

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Don't expect a black-or-white decision on indyref2 following Brexit
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/michael-gray-dont-expect-a-black-or-white-decision-on-indyref2-following-brexit.18733#link_time=1465886239

"IN a coin-toss you get ready for either scenario. As the countdown – now just nine days – spins down towards the European Union referendum, we have to ask if that’s the case for Scotland in the case of Brexit."

Peter A. Bell's insight -
http://sco.lt/5dvE2b

The problem with speculation on issues such as the EU referendum is that there are just too many variables. The permutations are as close to being infinite as makes no difference. Certainly too numerous and complex to be adequately dealt with in a single article.

The alternative is to think in much more general terms. To consider, not the psephological minutiae or the specifics of policy positions and options, but the broad sweep of historical and political and, if we must, economic forces. We can't count the raindrops. But we can tell which way the river flows.

Most importantly, we must avoid the pitfall of wishful thinking that will tend to lead us to a desired chain of events or outcome rather than what is actually most likely to happen on the basis of a dispassionate calculation.
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The Scottish government will have "radical" options open to it - up to and including UDI. But these will only be viable with mass support from the people of Scotland. Added to the 20% or so who are ideological British nationalists and will NEVER support any Scottish Government against the British state, there are those whose mindless hatred of the EU trumps even their commitment to independence and/or their aspiration for a better, fairer society. The implication being that there may not be enough public support for the Scottish Government to act.

I could go on. But if you haven't got the idea by now, you aren't going to. There is simply no getting away from the fact that Brexit represents a major shift in the course of historical and political events. It represents the river changing course - with the potential to sweep away much that we would find precious if we weren't so smugly complacent as to take it for granted.

What about the upside, I hear you ask! You tell me! There's certainly nothing significant enough to be obvious. Vote Leave, and Scotland is screwed so badly and in so many ways that it would take something truly magical to compensate for the pain. Where is it?



And as for yesterday's Battle of Brexit on the Thames ...

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/16/all-at-sea/

https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewchampion/brexit-flotilla?utm_term=.ju22w05dp#.gmpOKqaGe

Did Bob Geldof shout - "Just give us the fucking money Europe!"?

https://wildernessofpeace.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/people-have-the-power/

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This
http://derekbateman.scot/2016/06/15/this/
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You often say you are mystified by the ways of Brussels – maybe you are ‘othering’ the EU in the way that you rightly criticise our political leaders for. But if I could say to my grandfather that British, Germans and French, a Spain liberated from fascism, not to speak of the now independent countries that they had never heard of, were working together in the same town, the same building, the same corridor, the same offices, not fighting but talking, he would say – it’s a miracle!
Every day that ‘Brussels bureaucrats’ come to work together to find solutions – in those meetings that you find so boring or incomprehensible – is a miracle day for the people who fought in the trenches and jungles.

Every boring discussion about product standards, police cooperation, the rights of working people, energy saving lightbulbs, mobile phone charges, bankers’ bonuses, clean air, research cooperation, is a testimony to those who fought for our freedom. Each one, a tiny step to paying back the enormous debt we owe them.

Each Member State of the EU has committed to provide consular protection to the citizens of any other Member State. If I could say to my grandfather now – “Papa, if ever you’re in trouble abroad and you can’t get to the British Embassy, go to the Germans, they’ll look after you” – he would have tears in his eyes.
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This sums things up pretty well and with an appropriate song to take us out -

Quote:
48 hours in Britain
http://wingsoverscotland.com/48-hours-in-britain/

So, just to recap this week’s events so far:

It’s now offensive to call gay people human beings, a Leave vote will destroy Western civilisation, a Remain vote will bring about an Orlando-style mass killing by Islamic terrorists, Ed Balls – whose party isn’t in government and who isn’t even an MP – has promised to cut immigration if we vote Remain, Alistair Darling has teamed up with George Osborne to deliver a Punishment Budget if we vote Leave (except that it won’t pass because 57 Tory MPs will vote against it), Jeremy Corbyn led the last Prime Minister’s Questions before the EU referendum by asking about the Leveson Inquiry, and Bob Geldof is conducting a naval battle on the Thames with Nigel Farage.





Just One more week of suffering this awful campaign to go!
(Although somehow I suspect that there's still much, much more to come Wink )
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very unusual turn of events in the run up to the EU referendum.


Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

My first impression is that the husband is very collected with his thoughts.

The end of his statement is unusual, seeing as what we know is a white guy in his 50s from Yorkshire is the killer.. so what IS the hatred he speaks of we are to fight against? could this not just be the work of something with a mental health problem? we dont know, but a very unusual statement..

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"She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preserve Jo's legacy, do it for Joe.

Don't let hate win

Hate = Being against the EU

If you are against the EU then you are hate filled crazy fanatic..

Rise and repeat, I repeat rinse and repeat.

There, still want to be one of those evil people who hate everyone?

Hate everyone = (hate the EU)

EU is the bastion....I repeat the pillar of our society

I REPEAT do not let hate win

Furthermore only a hate filled maniac would question the timing of this and the victim targeted.

DO NOT LET HATE IN, STAY IN THE EU

*Disclaimer.........I am not saying that UK Government and institutions equals good and that things would be all rosey without the scumbag EU oops, I mean without the wonderful purely benevolent EU
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well tomorrow is the big day and we'll find out one way or another.

The end of this dire campaign has obviously been affected by the shocking and brutal assassination of Jo Cox by a right wing extremist who may or may not be mad. I assume that somehow it's a psyop - it seems to have psyop written all over it, but what do I know? It certainly arrived just when the Remain campaign looked like it was crashing and burning and desperately needed something to give it a lift - which it got, but will it be enough?



But here's a look at the latest polls -

Quote:
Leave back in the lead in stunning YouGov upset
https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/leave-back-in-lead-in-stunning-yougov.html
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... Against all expectations, the new YouGov poll actually puts Leave back in the lead -

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain 42% (-2)
Leave 44% (+1
)

The fieldwork was apparently conducted between Friday and Sunday, so was entirely after the murder of Jo Cox. The YouGov poll immediately before the tragedy had an identical result to this one, so on the face of it there doesn't appear to have been any direct and lasting impact on public opinion. (If there has been an impact, it's being masked by the quirks of sampling variation.)
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The Press's reaction to Jo Cox's assassination has been predictable -



http://www.lbc.co.uk/jamess-monologue-on-jo-cox-is-a-must-listen-132384

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/labour-friend-palestine-jo-cox-slain

https://caltonjock.com/2016/06/20/jo-cox-the-truth-if-you-can-handle-it/

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/17/are-we-better-than-this-the-tragic-killing-of-jo-cox/

And why is the assassin not being referred to as a terrorist?



http://moflomojo.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/the-hinge.html

Quote:
The Leave Campaign Couldn’t Care Less About Democracy
http://wire.novaramedia.com/2016/06/the-leave-campaign-couldnt-care-less-about-democracy/?utm_content=bufferc6ee6utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

On 12 July, just a couple weeks after the EU referendum, the UK will get a new parliamentarian. There are 17 candidates, and the lucky one will be elected by just 31 people, all of them hereditary peers – people who, simply because of some favour one of their esteemed ancestors did for a monarch or politician, are born into a seat in the Lords and allowed to shape the laws the rest of us have to live by.
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Whatever your opinion about the EU is, whatever you think about Greece or TTIP, that’s also not what this referendum is about. Whatever the people in the miniscule, irrelevant fringes of ‘Lexit’ tell themselves this election is about also doesn’t matter. There is no ambiguity about who runs the campaign to Leave, and whose politics will be emboldened if the vote goes their way. (Hint: it isn’t TUSC, it isn’t the Greek working class, it certainly isn’t migrant communities in this country.)

This referendum is about racism. They’ve said it explicitly: they don’t care if it harms the economy, they don’t care if their numbers don’t stack up, they don’t care about how laws actually come through Europe, they don’t care if it is a disaster for us. As long as it keeps migrants out – or wages down – they’re happy.

When the Leave campaign talks about democracy, the hypocrisy is laughable. But if they were just hypocrites, it wouldn’t be so bad. We need to win this referendum, because there’s no other option for us. Then we need to get on the offensive against these people and their anti-migrant, anti-worker and anti-democratic politics.

On 24 June there will be an unprecedented crisis in the Conservative party. Please, for God’s sake, let’s make the most of it.



http://takimag.com/article/a_vote_to_remain_allan_massie/page_2#axzz4BptB15Ve

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8616/why-we-must-talk-about-four-flags-define-us

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/19/englands-dream/

https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/crime-the-uk-and-brexit/

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The UK is being driven out of Europe ... by English nationalism
http://archive.is/luJs4

FOUR days to go. As in Scotland two years ago, the torrent of public participation in England is running faster than the politicians can keep up with it. And there’s another resemblance. This referendum is supposed to be about membership of the European Union, in or out. But at a deeper, hidden level it’s a debate about English independence – England’s own indyref.
...

Even Ukip is carefully "UK". The Tories in William Hague’s time fiddled briefly with the idea of becoming an "ENP", but dropped it. England’s large and liberal middle class – the group which traditionally leads civic nationalism in Europe – draws back in fastidious horror; St George’s flag, they think, is only for working-class football hooligans. This snobbery surrenders "English" politics to confusion, primitive xenophobia and easy manipulation by any passing bunch of demagogues.
And yet England does deserve its independence. A tolerant, tough nation with a unique sense of fairness, the English are badly governed in Britain and increasingly they know it.
It may be that intelligent men and women will stop holding their noses and take up this cause. It may be that only Scotland’s secession can break the spell of "Britishness" and let England take itself seriously. But Thursday’s "English indyref", if its choice is merely to quit the European Union, will leave England further from independence than ever.



https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8569/anthony-barnett-why-eu-vote-english-not-british-reckoning

https://lescunningham.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/the-wrong-referendum/

Maybe we should really learn a little bit about the EU -



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The undecided
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-undecided/

Alert readers will already know that the closest thing this site has to a position on this week’s EU referendum is that supporters of Scottish independence living in Scotland should vote Remain.

(And even that view is conditional on whether you consider Scottish independence the most important political goal of your life. If it’s more important to you to be out of the EU than out of the UK then clearly you’ll be voting Leave and there’s nothing we could say that would change your mind.)

But what if you happen to be a supporter of Scottish independence who DOESN’T live in Scotland? What then?

Because that, of course, is what I am. And since the EU referendum was announced, I’ve found myself in the unfamiliar position of being a Don’t Know. Several months of campaigning later I’m none the wiser, and time’s running out.

I’ve been pro-EU my whole life, right up until last summer. The aftermath of the Greek election and referendum was a horrible jolt, in which a supposedly benign and democratic entity essentially mounted a coup against a sovereign nation, not using tanks and bombers but banks, under the command of Wolfgang Schauble.

Now, the Greece situation was complex and nuanced and I’m not going to get into all the rights and wrongs of it here, but the sight of a country’s electorate expressing their wishes unambiguously, by a thumping 23-point margin, and then simply having them steamrollered by EU “technocrats”, sent a chill up my spine that’s never gone away.

Throw in the Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership (TTIP), and suddenly the European project looked a lot less like a benevolent shared social democracy and a lot more like a neoliberal straitjacket.

(“Stay and reform it from within!” is every bit as spectacularly idiotic an argument in this referendum as it was in the last one, for mostly the same reasons.)

But all of this is actually somewhat beside the point. Because when it comes down to it I very much doubt that the outcome of the EU referendum will make a great deal of detectable difference to me either way.
...

So three days out I still genuinely don’t know how I’ll vote. I’ll go to the polling station – I don’t believe in abstaining – but I haven’t ruled out a spoiled paper like the one below that I dropped into the ballot box in May 2015, unable in any conscience to vote for any of the candidates offered to me.



The UK’s entire political establishment should be ashamed of itself. The biggest decision the UK has made in perhaps its entire democratic history has been tarnished by two abominably dreadful campaigns, rendered into a coin-toss based on impossible guesswork and utter contempt for just about everyone on both sides.

The one upside is that it’s been educational. For all that a campaigner can try to put themselves in the shoes of an undecided voter, nothing compares to actually being one. If and when we get to a second indyref, I’ll have a far better idea than ever before of how you DON’T win people over to your side.

But that’s no help as far as Thursday goes. And right now, the idea of Donald Trump becoming President of the USA in a few months’ time and wiping the entire species off the face of the planet in a nuclear holocaust is starting to feel less like impending doom and more like mankind’s last hope of a saving grace.



http://www.thenational.scot/comment/wee-ginger-dug-best-eu-referendum-outcome-is-lose-lose-for-tories.19062

http://derekbateman.scot/2016/06/22/academics-not-entirely-useless-shock/

This referendum is all about England. If the vote for Leave is less than 53% then the overwhelming (as high as 70%) vote for Remain in Scotland might just swing it - which would be funny, really, really funny ... and there will be consequences ... whatever happens - but that's for another day.

Here's the Waterboys -



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Officially, the final polls show a 51% to 49% edge for Remain over Brexit.

But turnout is all and the big question is how many people from each side
will actually show up in a polling booth to cast their verdict.

Older voters want a Brexit - and older voters vote more than younger.
Turnout factor could make a Remain 51%-49% into 47%-53% for Brexit.

But the markets and bookies are convinced that international experience
shows independence votes revert to the status quo -despite appearances.

So, it looks neck and neck -but that means the Remain status quo will win.

Here's the official odds:


Ladbrokes: 62% of all bets today are for LEAVE,
unchanged from yesterday.
Brexit probability remains at 24%

Note that almost two thirds of actual bets
placed to date - are bets on a Brexit win.

Officially - voting just closed as I post this at 10PM GMT

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"It’s been an extraordinary referendum campaign, turnout looks
to be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it.

Ukip and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue
to grow stronger in the future."

- NIGEL FARAGE


Turnout is exceptionally high and it may be that Labour voters were deeply
affected by the murder of Labour MP and Remain campaigner Jo Cox and
thus they showed up in numbers to back the status quo.

Barring that murder, the Brexit team had been clearly on a roll to victory.
But I can find no evidence that the killing was other than a bizarre crime
by a mentally-ill man.

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Predicting REMAIN 54% and LEAVE 46%.


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It is not even the beginning of the end

COMMENT EDITOR Harry de Quetteville 23 JUNE 2016 • 7:00AM

What neither side will admit is that the EU referendum is largely a substitute for a much bigger argument that will shape the next decades: How on earth are vast numbers of going to make a living now?

This is a question that will be bedevil rich and poor, but against whose effects poorer people have far less protection. That is why they, today, are far more angry with the establishment, far more sceptical of establishment solutions. But their anger will spread.

That is not to say there will not be great new avenues of employment. There always have been at these transformational moments in the past. It is simply that those avenues are not clear today. It is therefore entirely natural for huge numbers of us to feel worried.

A whole new politics sprang up to deal with the 19th-century industrial workplace revolution. Who would be surprised if the same happened now? Who would be surprised if, having been destroyed by the SNP in Scotland, Labour is destroyed by Ukip in the North? If the Conservatives, having held a referendum to cure a party ill, are in fact killed by it, and split into two factions, one which plays nicely with Ukip, the other with centrist Labour?

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