Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 253 Location: Inverness, Scotland
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:38 pm Post subject:
Isn't that what Guantanamo is for?
One of the loudest protests about the prison in Cuba is that they've locked up too many perfectly innocent people, individuals who were snagged for a bounty. But I wonder that since we are in a "war on terror" it shouldn't require a full blown legal post-crime conviction to put them away. How about locking up people on a watch list or no-fly list? If there is any suspicion of terrorist activity, a report from their family members, say, lock them up first and ask questions later
I can't say I fancy that one bit! Allowing fascists like May to define what constitutes reasonable "suspicion of terrorist activity" would soon see most of the population on their watch list (if we aren't already) and only a select band of right-thinking conservatives would be safe.
The real flaw which the governments of the Western-style democracies face is that they have no confidence that they would or could win the argument about the superiority of their democratic model of government. That's partly because they themselves don't believe it. It's also because sustaining the facade of a democratic process requires the routine deployment of an increasing amount of hypocrisy and double-standards which would be impossible to defend in a serious, open debate.
So when it comes to the crunch, governments and related institutions of power resort too readily to the use of authoritarian force, threats, fear and similar unaccountable methods of maintaining civil order; they resolutely resist entrusting the citizenry with meaningful oversight of these procedures.
The Guantanamo issue throws these inconsistencies into stark relief but the same conflict of principles is happening constantly at lower levels of public awareness and also in relation to far less substantial matters. Long before the Manchester incident, we had already seen the ludicrous situation of tiny Scottish villages such as Golspie being patrolled by armed police. The biggest threat to society in somewhere like Golspie is generally posed by somebody dropping litter or a sheep running onto the road. The local community was, in truth, far more dismayed and alarmed by the sight of these para-military officers wielding lethal firearms.
The long-standing tradition in British civic life was "policing by consent" but it has now become "policing by force" and the change has come because of the attitude of the police and most certainly not with the approval or agreement of the public. It's one clear example of the police thumbing their noses at elected representatives who voice any opposition to their plans and it's a sign of the velvet glove being removed from the NWO's iron fist on its home turf, exactly as Fintan perceptively forecast.
So I certainly don't believe that we should be backing a policy of "lock them up and ask questions later" from these people. As the cyber technology and data-harvesting capabilities of the spooks expand, and the likelihood of increasingly hysterical legislative measures are introduced to combat the "threat" of "fake news", the mere act of contributing to breakfornews.com probably has the potential to earn us a couple of qualifying points for the entry level of the "watch list".
Law enforcement agencies in the UK already had more than enough powers to anticipate and prevent the Manchester bombing but I expect that there will be no meaningful holding to account of those who were empowered to use those powers responsibly and effectively but clearly failed to do so. The totalitarian Police State is primed, ready and willing to run the UK and to a large extent, it's already doing so, in conjunction with corporate interests, whilst using the mythical democratic process as a shield or a smokescreen as the occasion requires.
Hence, as the Man said:
And therefore the more the NWO are forced back onto home turf by the global resistance - the more danger we face.
Not just in Manchester, but also in Golspie. _________________ My real name is Gerry.
As of 3 a.m. London time on Sunday, we have
a reasonable idea of the events tonight:
Gabriele Sciotto, a photographer, told the BBC that he had run toward the scene of the attacks and that “in 2-5 seconds, [police] shot all three men down.”
A photo by Sciotto showed a man, apparently one of the assailants, lying prone with what appeared to be metal canisters strapped to his body.
A man lies on the ground with what appear to be canisters strapped to his chest Instagram / @fried_chicken
He told BBC News: “I came in after the men stabbed some other men. I ran towards the scene because I noticed this man with this kind of explosive looking belt on his chest, they were running.
“A police officer was trying to put himself between them and the crowd.
“After that they were almost coming towards me and I tried to run away. Then they were going towards the main street. At that point, I ran towards them.
“More police came over, I guess they were on radio or something because in around like two or five seconds they shot all the three men down. That is what I honestly saw.
Witnesses reported that a white van was traveling fast — approximately 50 miles per hour — when it mounted the sidewalk and plowed into a group of people crossing the Thames River on foot just after 10 p.m.
The van collided with a guardrail. Bystanders said they thought the crash may have been an accident, until the occupants got out.
The three men who had been in the vehicle immediately began stabbing people on the bridge with knives before making their way to Borough Market, where they slashed their way through restaurants and bars.
London’s Metropolitan Police later confirmed an attack at Borough Market, an area packed with popular eateries that is located just south of the bridge. Police said shots had been fired at the market — though it was unclear by who.
“I heard many gunshots and I heard people running away,” said Joe Dillon, 23, who was near London Bridge when the incident occurred. “Police officers were shouting: ‘Get out of here, you need to go!’ I heard at least eight rounds of gunshots, but I’m not sure who was shooting. When I arrived a second after I had heard the screams and the shots, I saw five or six officers running toward the van.”
_________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
Okay, so already there are numerous videos claiming to show once again that this is all a hoax. A hoax created to further the emergence of martial law.
I wish someone would do a piece categorically debunking the always claimed hoax
Yawn.......another tired military-intel job, same MO every time! But psychopaths who have never worked for a living don't have much imagination. This includes their fellow psychopath accomplices in the media.
The master criminals who own the Bank of England, the FED, and the ECB also control all Military Intel agencies.
They took down Paris, now they are taking down London.
I have my views on the why
I am curious to know what others views are on the why.
One thing which should wake people up to the police state though is that once again, the police state can't protect you, there isn't enough of them, the tactics used are low grade, crude, the police have been complicit before in various things too. So all of this surveillance it doesn't do shit against terror tactics
Martial Law Chances = 0
Main Political Damage = Conservatives
Cui Bono = ?
This is only going to damage the political players who have
backed the securocracy and whose intemperate or malign
invasion of Libya and meddling in Syria led to this.
So why would the securocracy damage the very political
powers who sustain them and give them cover?
I see no reason.
If you really want to go hardcore conspiracy on all this, then
the visit of the Manchester bomber to Germany just prior to
the bombing might lead you to suspect that German Intel
are playing a deadly game to inflict damage on the people
who engineered Brexit and who are hostile to Germany's
grip on the EU : the UK Old Guard Elite.
_________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
Last edited by Fintan on Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
I am so tired of this bullshit.
I don't buy the martial law angle but internet censorship is coming.
I don't know whether these are fall guy patsies or real but I do know Bradford is a hell hole. Having seen it for myself and spoken to those that live there. The truth is once Islamism takes hold then stopping military involvement will only prevent others from seeking revenge for people they have lost, it will not stop the momentum of a soon to be wholly dominant Muslim population in Bradford, Dewsbury and so on.
Islamism is so rife that a Christian convert had to get an armed escort out of Yorkshire after having his kneecaps smashed and he and his family being terrified to come outside
Young white girls systematically gang raped by thousands of paedophile scum. Targeted specifically because of race and religion, they didn't do this because of war protests.
It's getting worse
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