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hawkwind



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

je-demande wrote:
Fintan wrote:

I don't buy the crisis actors idea


...

I think saying either everyone or no-one is a crisis actor is a bit of a stretch.

I mean are you saying they don't use actors in these drills one of which took reportedly took place two days before the shootings?

"What we do know is TWO days before the shooting in Las Vegas, a mass casualty military exercise involving nearly identical numbers of patients took place".

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/las-vegas-shooting-coincidentally-mass.html


This guy seems to have a superficial gun shot wound as seen in this vid at about :55 seconds.



Fintan and Kathy, I still support the multiple shooter angle as is really obvious in this vid:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e88_1507253728

listen closely starting at the 2:00 minute mark.

Also I still think that 1 shooter was located around the right side of the stage as pointed out by several of the concert crowd in a couple of the cell phone vids. I want folks to go back to the 1st vid I posted and look at the smoke cloud as it rises from behind the sign, it is not from cooking, it appears at the same time as the shooting starts from the left/fence side of the sidewalk! What is also confirmed is that most of the injured where located on the left side of the stage as discussed in the police scanner audio here:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=378_1506956902

- Hawk

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:

This guy seems to have a superficial gun shot wound as seen in this vid at about :55 seconds.
- Hawk


Ok here's my thing...

If there's lots of rounds flying about then theres gonna be ricochets. Getting hit with a ricochet and getting a minor wound and some concussion would be kinda normal in the circumstances.

But if 500 odd were injured and 59 Killed from such a distance Its painfully clear Paddock wasn't using a 177 Gas Gun consistant with the wound the Mighty (ffs don't cut or wreck my hair) Thor is shrugging off.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:
Fintan and Kathy, I still support the multiple shooter angle as is really obvious in this vid:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e88_1507253728

listen closely starting at the 2:00 minute mark.

Yep - I hear it!
Worth recording and checking the waveform visually.
Will do.

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Also I still think that 1 shooter was located around the right side of the stage as pointed out by several of the concert crowd in a couple of the cell phone vids. I want folks to go back to the 1st vid I posted and look at the smoke cloud as it rises from behind the sign, it is not from cooking, it appears at the same time as the shooting starts from the left/fence side of the sidewalk! What is also confirmed is that most of the injured where located on the left side of the stage as discussed in the police scanner audio here:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=378_1506956902

- Hawk

Ok - agreed. Lots of evidence which
points to the right hand side of the stage.

But that's the only additional shooter I can be sure of.
I know there are claims of more - but not convincing.

Two shooters - one high - one low.
My working hypothesis.
Exclamation

Meanwhile, back at
the Spin Factory:

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MGM Resorts, owners of the Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay hotel insisted security guard Jesus Campos appear ONLY on Ellen and not be grilled by TV hard-hitters, fearing Campos might not keep his story straight under the pressure of the TV lights and hard questioning. His answers to timeline questions could result in massive lawsuits from victims of the massacre.

Union boss David Hickey who was helping set up the deal, told DailyMail.com: "It certainly wasnít my choice that he should appear on that circus."

In her interview, Ellen didn't once press Campos on the official timeline of the shooting, which has changed three times since the massacre. MGM has disputed the official timeline, which insinuated they may have waited six minutes to call cops.

Police later changed the timeline again, saying that Campos immediately called in the shooting as soon as he was injured --soon after the mass shooting had begun.


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[Ellen: Jesus, youíre the security officer, and you were called to check on a door that was, I guess that when a door is left open a certain amount of time, youíre supposed to go check on it, right?]

(Jesus) Yes, we get a notifications making sure that uh, to secure them, or if theyíve already been secured then making that uh, that check on the doors.

[Ellen: Okay, so you were going up the fire escape to get there?]

(Jesus) Via the stairwell, from I was coming from the 31st up to the 32nd. Uh, when I approached the door, it didnít open, and it was blocked off, so I had to re-route.

[Ellen: Is that a normal thing? That the door, the fire escape, the stairwell, would be blocked off?]

(Jesus) No. Theyíre always supposed to remain open. And so umm, afterward I dropped down, and came back through the hallway, and then I approached the room, got into the door, there was a metal bracket holding the door in place.

[Ellen: Right, so what weíre talking about here, just so everybody is clear. Okay, so, this is where the, the hotel room where is, where the shooter was. This is the stairway where, and this doorway here was blocked, and you didnít know that till you came up and, and through the elevator, and went through this door and saw that there was something blocking that door. And when you saw that, did you think, thatís weird, why would somebody put brackets on a door?]

(Jesus) Yeah, thatís just out of the ordinary.

[Ellen: That was the beginning?]

(Jesus) Yeah.

[Ellen: Okay. Then you walk out of this and this just slammed?]

(Jesus) Well, when I was in between that area, I was calling security dispatch to get transferred to engineering, they didnít know anything about it, so they dispatched an engineer to go verify what that was. [And thatís when you got called? (Stephen) Yes] And at that time I heard what I assumed it was drilling sounds. And I believed that they were in the area working somehow.

[Ellen: So, you thought the drilling, they were gunshots, but you thought it was just drilling sounds.]

(Jesus) At first I think it was just drilling sounds.

[Ellen: Right. So then, at what point do you get shot? What happens here?]

(Jesus) As that door is closing and itís so heavy itíll slam. I was walking down this way, and I believe thatís what caught the shooterís attention. As I was walking down, I heard rapid fire, and at first I took cover. I felt a burning sensation. I went to go lift my pant leg up and I saw the blood. And thatís when I called it in on my radio that shots had been fired. And I was going to say that I was hit, but I got on over my cell phone just to clear that radio traffic for they can coordinate the rest of the call.

[Ellen: ÖSo, he shot. You didnít even know he shot through this door, right?]

(Jesus)Yeah, from behind the door. I donít know how he was shooting, but he shot out.

[Ellen: Right. So, you didnít even know it was coming from here. So Steven, at this point, so youíre called up. You just think that youíre coming to look at a door thatís been blocked in the firewell, right?]

(Stephen) Yeah, I didnít think anything out of the ordinary at the time. I came from a higher floor and came down on a different hallway service elevator and I walked out and I rounded the corner for the 100 hallway, and thatís when I, you know itís quiet at this time, and the doors are set back as you can see in that, about a foot, and Jesus was toward the end of the hallway, but I didnít know at that time. I thought I saw someone, like, pop out of the cubby, and I kept walking, and once I got more than half way is when I saw Jesus and I started to hear shooting, and I thought, at the time I didnít know it was shooting, I thought it was a jackhammer, and as an engineer, Iím like weíre not working up here this late at night, we wouldnít be doing that. And it was, I believe outside, it wasnít in the hallway yet. And thatís when Jesus, he uh, he leaned out, and said, ďtake cover, take coverĒ and yelled at me, and within milliseconds, if he didnít say that, I would have got hit.

[Ellen: Because he was still shooting. So, you would have been hit had he not told youÖ]

(Stephen) Yeah, I wasnít fully in cover and they were passing behind my head, and I could feel the pressureÖ

[Ellen: You could feel the pressure going past you just even being out of the way.]

(Stephen) Yes.

[Ellen: And were guests coming out of the doorways?]

(Jesus) Umm, there was a female that came out, and I told her to go back inside it wasnít safe. Shortly after, thatís when Stephen was approaching, and I told him to stay back and get cover. And thatís when more rounds were dispersed.

[Ellen: Right. Wow. So, really, he saved your life. He saved also the woman who came out the door to go into the hallway. First of all, thank you so much for being here. I know youíve had so many people asking for you to tell the story and to talk about this, and I understand your reluctance because you just want this to be over, so youíre talking about it now and youíre not going to talk about it again and I donít blame you because why relive this over and over again, but itís helpful for people to understand what a hero you are, because you, being shot in the leg, saved so many peopleís lives, and instead of you just getting out of there, you saved Stephenís life, you saved that womanís life, and who knows how many other people, and uhÖ so we just wanted to celebrate you. Thatís why youíre here today, because we wanted to thank you for what youíve done. Even after this happened, instead of going to the hospital, you stayed to give police all the information they needed to piece these things together. And also, what else did you want to mention?]

(Jesus) I just wanted to mention all the people that assisted that night. Whether it was metro, the FBI, the community especially coming together to help everyone in need, the first responders, even the people that got called in to assist in the hospitals, and just everything is, put the pieces together, on how everyone came together to help that night in the darkest hour.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google Las Vegas shooting bullet holes. No pix from the Pollack case. Then Google Syria bullet holes. Puuu-lenty!

I did, however see two bullet holes in the oil tanks. Tanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
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His girls body language screams hes a fucking liar.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching Lionel interview over on Infowars and one point he was making was how if 500 were injured how come there are so few interviews with these surviving hospitalized victims. He says it's probably because too many will attest to multiple shooters on video. But I Googled Las Vegas wounded interviews and did find a couple - not zero- videos with women in hospital beds giving pretty believable testimonies. One was from Canadian news. The other was some other outfit but not CNN, and co. Of course they said nothing about how many shooters. There may be more videos but but those two were too wrenching for me to watch more. Not sure if this dearth of videos is fruitful clue in our case to find the deeper and darker facts of this incident.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimbo wrote:
There may be more videos but but those two were too wrenching for me to watch more.


Pray do share.........I sleep with the light out and break Toast with my bare hands :-)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those that think that there were no casualties (ie crisis actors/no one really died), I found this picture.

Surprising that this is the only picture out there that I have found that shows actual wounded/dead people considering the number of cell phones that would be taking pictures.

https://imgur.com/arPWIA8
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but would all those bodies just be lying there un-attended?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know the timing of the photo, but perhaps this was taken just after everyone cleared out and medical help has not yet arrived.
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