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Fintan
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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: NewsXtra Audio: The People Versus Big Oil |
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'Ireland should not negotiate away it's environment for the sake of a few jobs..''
Dr Owens Wiwa, brother of of executed Nigerian poet Ken Saro Wiwa
BreakForNews Xtra
Listen Mp3 Audio 
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NewsXtra061115.mp3
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Police baton-charge pipeline protesters
News.com.au - November 10, 2006 08:51pm
IRISH police baton-charged protesters at a Royal Dutch Shell gas
terminal in the west of Ireland today after about 200 people blocked a
convoy of vehicles taking construction workers to the site.
One man was taken to hospital following running clashes between police
and protestors that lasted for more than an hour, Irish broadcaster RTE said.
Shell is locked in a dispute with local residents about a pipeline they plan
to build to bring gas onshore. Local residents want Shell to process the
gas on an offshore shallow water platform instead of onshore.
Five men, known as the Rossport 5, last year spent almost 100 days in
jail for protesting against the project, which they said ran too close to
their homes.
Shell's partners in the offshore Corrib gas field are Norway's Statoil and
US-based Marathon Oil Corp.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20736539-1702,00.html |
YOUTUBE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtTTO29UC0&eurl=
We are the Shell to Sea network
http://www.corribsos.com/index.php?id=2&type=page
Violent clashes in Bellanaboy
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=604&Itemid=38
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Continuity
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The pressure inside the pipeline will be up to four times greater than that of the biggest Bord Gais pipelines. The pipeline will be going through boggy land with a history of landslides. |
Yay! What a capital idea! Also not worried about 'terrorists' getting to it, either, I see. :roll:
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Henscastle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: Shell in Mayo: A New Nigeria? |
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Check out this short film to get the background to the case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLpDmh4BU8w
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rabbiosi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: The End of big oil? |
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Who needs oil or gas anyway?
http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
In the flesh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOl_1S10jTk
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moylan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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An attempt to distract from the issue, if I mistake it not.
So it's ok for government's to give away sovereign resources for nothing then? Good to know. |
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Continuity
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I hope that you're not being serious with that, rabbiosi?
If you've got shares in Perendev rotors, I'd sell 'em now, if I were you.
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Ormond
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway,
This is the road to Shell ~ Chris Rhea |
Smacks of "Americanization". International Corporate interests endorsed and enforced by sovereign government--who provides the muscle. (aka Corporate Fascism).
Police raid paid for with Irish public taxes, of course.
I believe Shell doesn't pay taxes....
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Rumpl4skn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: The End of big oil? |
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Would be very nice indeed.... if electric cars weren't another scam by the energy industry. Electricity needs to be generated, and when you take in account the transfer from oil to kilowatts, those cars run at 1/5th the efficiency of gasoline.
So, they feign dismay at a product that essentially generates 5 times the consumption.
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rabbiosi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: Looking for alternatives |
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Shell and Co?s business practices are appalling but whilst the global thirst for oil continues to increase their raison d'etre will not diminish. Alternatives to oil / gas are needed together with pressure on the supra national oil corporations.
| Quote: | | Electricity needs to be generated, and when you take in account the transfer from oil to kilowatts, those cars run at 1/5th the efficiency of gasoline |
Fair enough but oil is not the only way to generate electricity.
Maybe the Tesla roadster is a red herring but rest assured that oil corporations are expending vast efforts in eliminating the emergence of alternatives to oil.
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Rumpl4skn
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Looking for alternatives |
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| rabbiosi wrote: | | Maybe the Tesla roadster is a red herring but rest assured that oil corporations are expending vast efforts in eliminating the emergence of alternatives to oil. |
Of course. But also rest assured - if any "alternative" does make it to the public consciousness, and the Big Oil boys are openly "agin it", it's probably a scam.
It's the same way the bankers sold us the Federal Reserve system.
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elbowdeep
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Uh guys...
Just because the vehicle has "Tesla" in it's name, doesn't automatically mean it has ANYTHING to do with Nicola Tesla, or "free energy" systems for that matter.
It's just a regular battery powered car. They are using his name for marketing purposes.
| Quote: | | Would be very nice indeed.... if electric cars weren't another scam by the energy industry. |
Not exactly... Lots of electricity can be generated using a variety of low-tech, and non-fossil methods, which I am quite intimate with.
Hydrogen fuel cell = scam (must buy "fuel" from big producer/supplier)
Electric powered = NOT scam = open to anyone who can generate power
Electric vehicles have been around for decades, and have barely been given the light-of day by the MSM. Recently ranges of 250Km are not out of the question.
Here is a step-by-step to the conversion of one such vehicle...
Check this out http://www.metricmind.com/
And there are many many out there. Currently there are kits available to do electric conversions for the DIYer, http://www.electroauto.com/ and there are a plethora of electric vehicle owner associations all over the world.
In my mind, electric is the ONLY method which allows the average person to actually be the producer and supplier of their own power.
There are many companies around that are currently SWAMPED doing these conversions (for about $25K) (I have a friend that has succesfully done a diesel conversion, and the electric conversion is now being hashed about. This is common stuff!)
See also the http://nedra.com/ National Electric Drag Racing Association for kicks.
I don't yet see a connection as to how big-oil will make money out of this, unless they are going to be getting part of the "milage tax" that is being slowly implemented, in anticipation of the day when vehicles won't need combustibles to function.
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| elbowdeep wrote: | Hydrogen fuel cell = scam (must buy "fuel" from big producer/supplier)
Electric powered = NOT scam = open to anyone who can generate power
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Yes, you are totally correct. But we must talk in terms of "the masses". How many people are going to generate their own power to charge their electric car batteries? .001%?
You can easily put solar cells on your roof and get free energy. How many actually do it? There are always some pioneering souls who undertake these kinds of procedures, but in the energy industry bottom line, they will always be an infinitesimal minority.
The point is, the overwhelming majority are going to plug the sucker into their house AC outlet, meaning - the oil, coal and nuclear fuel their local utility company uses to generate the power is the source. And the car is going to run essentially at a fraction of the efficiency of a gas-powered car.
Which is MORE profit for the energy industry scum, who are acting like they hate these cars.
Methinks they dost profit too much. 
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elbowdeep
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| Quote: | | How many people are going to generate their own power to charge their electric car batteries? .001%? |
I think you might be surprized at how popular it actually is!
I've been involved in a few little projects here and there, and am raising awareness to all that will listen, that producing your own power isn't that big of a deal, even if it is just to reduce/supplement what you are already getting from the grid. I'm concentrating on wind/solar OFF-grid systems (as being grid-tied gets into a lot of extra $$ and headache)
Please check out this place...
http://everdale.org/ been to a few workshops there, and they are totally self-sufficient, a goal I have, and many more like-minded people are aiming for. Something to strive toward.
Also check out http://hydrogenappliances.com/
They are into the bleeding edge of low-tech in off-grid solutions, and I just love the simplicity of their systems. Too bad they treat their potential customers like assholes. But that's another story... 
I'm cutting the chains slowly... one by one.
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Ormond
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I experimented with getting off the grid now and then in the 80's. I found it's a matter of choice.
For two years I used a wood stove for heat. You buy the wood in advance before winter comes on. Be sure and get more than you expect to need.
Keep in mind I'm not talking about real and full self sufficiency here. Just getting off the Conglomerate power grid. Using local resources, paying local business or individuals for things like batteries, charge time, (or not--you'd be surprised how many outlets exist in public parks.). Coal, wood, water.
For lighting, I used kerosine lamps. You'd be surpirsed how much light a Coleman lantern can provide for reading. A five gallon can of kerosine is plenty for the winter.
For radio and even a tiny DC powered television, I used a marine battery. The kind of deep cycle battery used for boats--and wheel chairs. I had two 12 volt ones. They hold a charge a week or two, depending on use. A transitor radio uses very little current. A small DC powered tv of course uses more.
I had a $30 battery charger and could re-charge the batteries in a park where I found an outlet.
I didn't watch much television, maybe a hour or two a week. Mostly radio.
Water was from a gravity fed cistern, water was purchased and delivered by truck monthly, or when needed.
My utility bills plummeted.
After a couple of weeks withdrawl from the ease of flicking switches and surround sound and gizmos, a new reality opens up which is ever much as rich as the simulated reality of electric powered living.
The only snag is the internet. That didn't exist in the 80's. Now unhooking from the grid is mainly the problem of having to limit your weekly internet time...since you'd have to use a school or library to answer email.
Haven't checked into it, but maybe there's already a DC powered laptop and satellite internet available. I don't know about that.
Honestly, I often miss the ancient way of writing missives and sending by post. Less likely to be snooped, believe me. Since nobody writes letters anymore, I don't think the HomeSeca is opening the mail much. They've got us all on the world wibe web.
As for transportation. Cars have become a necessity in most of the US. Too bad. My grandfather used to bitch that a horse only cost a few hundred to buy, and outlasted a car. All you had to do was feed them and have a barn. Not only that, they will come back for you if you should happen to fall off.
For long distance travel, or heavy loads, steam engines powered by coal work fine. For air travel, I wouldn't mind taking longer to get there by airship. I mean like derigables-- 'zeppelins'. I've heard those are going to come back into use anyway--to replace heavy transport like diesel trucking. Why not for air travel?
And 'terror proof'. Can't imagine smashing a Zeppelin into a skyscraper or the Pentagon, can you?
Who needs any more than that, really? Just move close to where ever you need to earn your livelihood.
Of course....horses are now an illegal form of transportation, because they got in the way of the auto traffic.
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elbowdeep
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| Quote: | | Just getting off the Conglomerate power grid. |
Exactly. But they want you to stay connected. They keep forgetting to mention that you CAN afford your own power system, and for those that figure out that they CAN afford it, and it's quite easy, they just create regulations to prevent you from going off-grid. i.e. by-laws for "towers", and BS about noise pollution (small wind-turbines)
There are some major strides in small wind-power that everyone should be aware of. In the past there were many technical issues with dealing with various speeds of wind and charging systems. Check out my friends at TrueNorth Power. They've been testing the OB1 for a while now, and we are waiting on results...
http://www.truenorthpower.com/OB1KWgallery.html
http://aeromag.com/OB1.html and the Commander controllers. Typically wind turbines are designed for optimal output at a certain wind-speed, outside of that range, they lose output, however from what I've been researching, the charging profile on these new turbines takes advantage of a wider range of wind speeds, as it "gears up", and "gears down", all electronically. We are just waiting for them to be finalized.
If you are interested in this, there is also
http://www.bergey.com/ which is quite popular.
At Everdale, they operate that house EXACTLY as they would a regular home. They have a hybrid power system, wind turbine and solar cells, plus solar-hot-water heaters (supplemental). They are grid-tied, but last time I was there they weren't drawing any power, nor feeding any back. When standing at the base of the turbine, you can't even hear it above the noise of the wind through the trees 300 yeards away.
The straw bale constuction of the home is HIGHLY energy efficient, they barely need any heating in the winter, and in the summer, air-conditioning is not required.
Just simple design elements to take advantage of the sun should be commonplace in all architectural designs, but, we live in a time of McMansions that are designed for curb appeal, rather than their true function, and that is to support life.
PS - Remote (two-way satellite)internet is quite mainstream now...
http://www.starband.com/
http://www.galaxybroadband.ca/Galaxy_Broadband_residential_solutions.html
There are hundreds more dealers... generally, it is twice the cost of regular 'cable' or 'DSL'.
Reducing my wattage, get rid of CRT and switch to LCD.
A remote internet connected PC for under 150Watts (peak) is not an outrageous prospect.
Considering that our governments are in the business of making MORE WASTE and getting you to CONSUME MORE ENERGY, all the while telling you to Reduce. They are totally hypocritical. For instance, where I live, there is a Bylaw BANNING the hanging of laundry on a clothesline outdoors to dry. Instead, this promotes using a clothesdryer in the home, which consumes lots of energy (much of it wasted by expelling the hot air outdoors). To me, using a clothsdryer (in the summertime especially) is blasphemy, and should be illegal. Anyhow, we've been hanging ours up on the clothsline for years now, and the by-law officer hasn't come round... I can't wait for a 'do-gooder' to report the "eyesore", so I can have a good rip at them, and take this example of stupidity to court. Laws like these are beginning to be contested all over.
Bests!
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