The dogs of war

[zak247]

Hey bro Fintan, I hope you are happily lapping up that ancient Druid Celtic mystery space in them there hills of the Erse countryside.

And on another note:
It seems to me, that with the Mumbai bombings, the fake US terror scares, the Mideast carnage, it may be just a little too much - lets call it energy- going on in one space at one time.

Someone is pushing real hard to stir this fake clash of civilization war up.

Perhaps this Israeli aggression is the end of it, or worst, the beginning of it.

Think about it: if the Iraqi insurgency hadn’t put a leash on the Bush march, they might now be in Syria and Iran - similar to the way the Nazis blitzkrieged across Europe in WWII. With Korea, the unexpected insurgency in Iraq, and other events being too much for the US to handle, these new Israeli incursions may be an attempt to draw Iran and Syria into hostilities so the original plan of the neo-cons to march across the Mideast taking not only Iraq, but Syria, as well as Iran can alas- still be done.

If you listen to the Mickey Mouse MSM (reminds me of a disease) all you hear is: “these missiles that are hitting Israel are made in Iran and Syria” or “Hezbollah is sponsored by Iran and Syria” This message of the Zionist controlled MSM is about as subtle as a Mike Tyson left hook. Additionally the supine response of the Bush regime is a clear indication that they support the Israeli incursions wholeheartedly and are secretly hoping it will flare up in a wider Mideast conflagration so the neo-con dream of sweeping across the sector could be fulfilled. Indeed this may be the last cacophony of bullshit coming out from the Zionist inspired neo-cons before they are hurled out of power and hopefully back to the dark pits of hell whence they came.

This also makes sense in terms of what (I think) Fintan suggests that Iran is really in cahoots with America (I think that is what Fintan has said, right?). If that be the case and all the Iran hoopla over nuclear energy is just a smokescreen, then who would really be the target here, Syria.?

On the face of it Syria doesn’t seem like to much of a prize to Israel or the US at this time. What Israel might be doing is: by dragging Syria into this, it would naturally bring Iran in it. The Iranian government statement that “if Israel attacked Syria, this would bring the whole Islamic wrath down on Israel seems to support this; and hints at a Iran intervention if Israel attacks Syria. None of this makes sense though, if Iran is secretly in cahoots with America, right? Wrong, if Iran is secretly in cahoots with America, for whatever reason, (maybe someone can provide a rational for this) then this serpentine mess might make a little sense after all, other then that all these guys running these regimes, are all mad.

Anyway the bottom line is that these dangerous people whether we are talking about the religious gangsters in Lebanon called Hezbollah or the political gangsters who run Israel and America, have hurled the ordinary people of Lebanon into a new hell on earth.

And it may be that this is the beginning of the last gasp of the neo-con( or neo-Nazis) of today, in their desire to militarily take over the Mideast, and install puppet regimes in all the countries like Iraq.

If anyone thinks this is too far fetched all one has to consider is the now established fact, that these same manic neo-cons, probably with the aid of Israel where behind the vicious slaughter of 911, and with their utter humiliating failure in Iraq because of the insurgency, they are now desperate and for these immoral Nazi-like savages to formant an all out war in the mid-east is no big thing.

One more point on this: What we must also take into consideration is the fact that the 911 truth movement may be getting close to wrecking the diabolical plot of 911, and if that be the case, the only thing to save the plotters hides is an all out war against “terrorism” that will divert the American, and international community from finding and bringing to justice the low down dirty dogs of hell who murdered 3000 Americans on September 11 in the year 2001.

Lets all think good thoughts, pray for, or whatever for the noble ordinary people of Lebanon

ZAK247


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3275886%2C00.html

[bornfree]

[dilbert_g]

My friends tell me that Hezbollah is the direct result of Sabra and Shatilla, the merciless slaughter of Palestinian refugees by Maronite Christians under Ariel Sharon.

My friends tell me that Lebanon is divided into families of Christian Greek Orthodox, Maronite Christian, and Palestinian Arab-Muslim (roughly), none of whom liked each other much, all rivals.

Actually, I learned more recently, that for the most part THEY ALL DO LIKE EACH OTHER. Some problems with Hezbollah's right wing stance, but THEY ARE THE ONLY REAL MILITARY PROTECTION FOR THE MUSLIMS OR CHRISTIANS.

However, it is Israel who maintains the highly disproportionate force to stir up trouble.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html

[Ormond]

It's bigger than Israel. Bigger than the US. The unfolding reality of globalist control renders nations archaic--fronts.

Israel, the US....these forms are playing their roles but the script has been written for years. Americans, Jews are associated with these acts but had nothing to do with the planning and don't want it. Put up front to take the heat for actions that serve long term globalist agendas.

The US and Israel are the pawns for the subjucation and standardization of the Middle East. The public is dragged along by our governments.

I think along the lines of Hezbolah being a created Hegelinan "opposition" too.
Whenever 'oppositions' play so blatantly into the hands of pretext for expanding the war theater for the 'oppressors' I figure the decision makers of all are working for the same thing. Unleashing the Dogs of War.

There can be the long anticipated full scale Mid East war out of this, and Israel, Hezbolah, and the US and (back, and to the left) Britain will get the blame, more or less in that order depending on who one studies with.
The real culprits pulling the strings of all this won't be mentioned.

I read on Henry Makow's site that 2/3 of Israeli citizens are appalled and frightened by current events. That's not getting press.
I can tell you that over 50% (conservatively) are wanting out of the Iraq and that's not getting press either.

[Fintan]

You've nailed the key issue Zak --Iran (and thus Hezbollah) are proxies.

Iran is running southern Iraq (peacefully) on our behalf, while the
Sunni resistance is in full cry in the North.

But:

[zak247]

Well I will say this Fintan; there is no doubt that the G8 are at least the outer face of the powers of the earth that rule. The only thing to determine is if there is a behind the scenes group that guys like Ike and Jones types talk about: NWO, Illuminati, Bilderberger, etc… Fintan does cut across these meaningless names and calls a spade a spade. The devil before our eyes is the devil. That has an irresistible logic, because lets face it, nothing is hidden, there are no real secrets, I guess. Those that are ruling outwardly may have a hidden or behind the scene component, but are they really hidden? If we talk about the Rockerfellows, Rothschild’s, call them globalist or whatever, we know who they are, and what they do, so with all of this Fintan you may be on the money about it.

It boils down to being a power game, with psychological components being foremost.

But if this be the case, there still are the questions of:

How do we extricate ourselves from this? or

Can we extricate ourselves? or

Should we fight “city hall” or

As the captain says at one point:

Abandon ship, abandon ship,
All is lost
Everyman for himself, save yourself!

It seems to me, this last proposition may be REALITY

[bornfree]

[Fintan]

NATO Muscles Into Lebanon --Thanks to Israel

Ok, So now you see the ongoing objective of the Israeli bombardment
and incursion into Lebanon. As I pointed out earlier, already the U.N.'s
role has been carefully eclipsed by the G8 Summit -who okayed Israel's
assault on Lebanon.

That sidelining of the U.N. was not a freak of circimstance. It was all part
of the advance strategy to lever NATO into the heart of the Middle East.

With the U.N. out of the picture, U.N. troops are out of the picture, and out
also is all that cumbersome international accountability.

So, here come the Empire's 'other' army: NATO.

Israel is part of the New Europe, in case you hadn't heard.

The US-EU Empire is a movin' South.

Here's the word from the Israeli Defense Minister Peretz:

[Useful Eater]

Can I ask what a NATO force in Lebanon going to achieve in the long run?

[zak247]

Fintan can speak for himself, but it seems to me he is suggesting that this NATO move is just a continuation of the G8 power grab. These organizations: G8, NATO, EU are just different names for the same group of powerful people, and apparently the G8 configuration is the new face of these people that will apparently be the final organizing structure formed to tell or show the world:
that we are ruling this thing, have ruled it, and not only will continue to rule it, but will rule it with a more controlling apparatus like never before, and whoever doesn’t go along, will get it’s ass kicked.

That’s what we call Gangsterism!

One more point: this is also a slap at the UN, that is also ruled by the G8 powers basically, but they find the third world countries, and the UN leadership as meddlers and pests (this is proven by the fact that the UN said Israel may be committing war crimes in Lebanon) and really wont give it too much real power.

That’s my take on it.

[Fintan]

Chemical Weapons and indiscriminate targetting of civilians.
Somebody pinch me and remind me this is not Fallujah.

[backandtotheleft]

Iran, 1953. Mossadeq nationalizes Iranian oil:



Oops:



and


(it's always the commies that get it...)

Enter the Shah:



But it doesn't last. Iran, 1979:



Of course, that's not the way Time saw it (they never do):



And wouldn't you know it, the American Embassy goes and gets itself taken over:



This "crisis" lasts for 444-days, during an American presidential election no less, and quietly ends at the exact moment this happens:



Does this not sound to you like an entirely stage managed "country"?

[Fintan]

What a surprise! Al-Qaida has a new video out on the Lebanon situation.
Al-Qaida's No. 2 appeares in a slick production denouncing Israel. And,
hold your breath, the big man --Osama, himself-- is rumored to be set
to appear in another video within days.

Plus, the latest video features a still photo of ol' Mickey 'Mouse-Ears' Atta
and the burning WTC, as a backdrop.

The latest video was al-Zawahri's tenth this year. And Bin Laden has
already appeared in five messages issued in 2006. Al-Qaida clearly needs
its own permanent TV channel.

It could start every day with 'Good Morning Jihadists', where Zawahri chats
to guests in studio about AK-47s and how to cook a healthy breakfast
while hiding in a cave. Maybe Dan Rather might do a comeback as a host
of an evening news show.

Seriously hough, the production quality of these latest al-Qaida videos is
up to network TV standards. Where are they coming from?

Well MSNBC says:

[Fintan]

Here comes......NATO

[zak247]

Is Israel getting it's ass kicked?



Just a day ago, Bush and Rice were saying they didn’t want a cease fire until Hezbollah was annihilated or neutralized just enough to be impudent.


NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT A CEASE FIRE!

What’s up with that?

Maybe Blair has brought orders from the NWO secret boys.
I bet they don’t even talk to Bush
He is too out of it

I think Blair is their number1 puppet and errand boy. When he goes to their secret hide out to get his orders I bet the first thing he does, is shine their shoes.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/us.britain/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html


Smoke Signals From Battle
Send Warning To Israel
By Robert Fisk
The Independent - UK
7-27-6


QLAYA, Southern Lebanon -- Is it possible - is it conceivable - that Israel is losing its war in Lebanon?

From this hill village in the south of the country, I am watching the clouds of brown and black smoke rising from its latest disaster in the Lebanese town of Bint Jbeil: up to 13 Israeli soldiers dead, and others surrounded, after a devastating ambush by Hizbollah guerrillas in what was supposed to be a successful Israeli military advance against a "terrorist centre".

To my left smoke rises too, over the town of Khiam, where a smashed United Nations outpost remains the only memorial to the four UN soldiers - most of them decapitated by an American-made missile on Tuesday - killed by the Israeli air force.

Indian soldiers of the UN army in southern Lebanon, visibly moved by the horror of bringing their Canadian, Fijian, Chinese and Austrian comrades back in at least 20 pieces from the clearly marked UN post next to Khiam prison, left their remains at Marjayoun hospital yesterday.

In past years, I have spent hours with their comrades in this UN position, which is clearly marked in white and blue paint, with the UN's pale blue flag opposite the Israeli frontier. Their duty was to report on all they saw: the ruthless Hizbollah missile fire out of Khiam and the brutal Israeli response against the civilians of Lebanon.

Is this why they had to die, after being targeted by the Israelis for eight hours, their officers pleading to the Israeli Defence Forces that they cease fire? An American-made Israeli helicopter saw to that.

In Bint Jbeil, meanwhile, another bloodbath was taking place. Claiming to "control" this southern Lebanese town, the Israelis chose to walk into a Hizbollah trap. The moment they reached the deserted marketplace, they were ambushed from three sides, their soldiers falling to the ground under sustained rifle fire. The remaining Israeli troops - surrounded by the "terrorists" they were supposed to liquidate - desperately appealed for help, but an Israeli Merkava tank and other vehicles sent to help them were also attacked and set on fire. Up to 17 Israeli soldiers may have died so far in this disastrous operation. During their occupation of Lebanon in 1983 more than 50 Israeli soldiers were killed in just one suicide attack.

The battle for southern Lebanon is on an epic scale but, from the heights above Khiam, the Israelis appear to be in deep trouble. Their F-16s turn in the high bright sun - small, silver fish whose whispers gain in volume as they dive - and their bombs burst over the old prison, where the Hizbollah are still holding out; beyond the frontier, I can see livid fires burning across the Israeli hillsides and the Jewish settlement of Metullah billowing smoke.

It was not meant to be like this, 15 days into Israel's assault on Lebanon. The Katyushas still streak in pairs out of southern Lebanon, clearly visible to the naked eye, white contrails that thump into Israeli's hillsides and border towns.

So is it frustration or revenge that keeps Israel's bombs falling on the innocent? In the early hours two days ago, a tremendous explosion woke me up, rattling the windows and shaking the trees outside, and a single flash suffused the western sky over Nabatiyeh.

The lives of an entire family of seven had just been extinguished.

And how come - since this now obsesses the humanitarian organisations working in Lebanon - that the Israelis bombed two ambulances in Qana, killing two of the three wounded inside. All the crews were injured - one with a piece of shrapnel in his neck - but what worried the Lebanese Red Cross was that the Israeli missiles had pierced the very centre of the red cross painted on the roof of each vehicle. Did the pious use the cross as their aiming point?

The bombardment of Khiam has set off its own brush fires on the hillsides below Qlaya, whose Maronite Christian inhabitants now stand on the high road above like spectators at a 19th century battle. Khiam is - or was - a pretty village of cut-stone doorways and tracery windows, but Israel's target, apart from the obviously marked UN position whose inhabitants they massacred, is the notorious prison in which - before its retreat from Lebanon in 2000 - hundreds of Hizbollah members and, in some cases, their families, were held and tortured with electricity by Israel's proxy militia, the South Lebanon Army.

This was the same prison complex - turned into a "museum of torture" by the Hizbollah after the Israeli retreat - that was visited by the late Edward Said shortly before his death. More important, however, is that many of the Hizbollah men originally held prisoner here were captives in cells deep underground the old French mandate fort. These same men are now fighting the Israelis, almost certainly sheltering from their fire in the same underground cells in which they languished, perhaps even storing some of their missiles there.

In Marjayoun, next to Qlaya, once the SLA's headquarters, Lebanese troops are trying to prevent Hizbollah guerrillas using the streets of the Greek Catholic town to fire yet more missiles at Israel. Seven-man Lebanese army patrols are moving through the darkened roads of both towns at night in case the Hizbollah brings yet more Israeli bombs down on our heads.

In Beirut, one observes the folly of Western nations with amusement as well as horror, but, sitting in these hill villages and listening to how the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, plans to reshape Lebanon is clearly a lesson in human self-delusion. According to US correspondents accompanying Ms Rice on her visit to the Middle East, she is proposing the intervention of a Nato-led force along the Lebanese-Israeli border for between 60 and 90 days to assure that a ceasefire exists, the deployment of an enlarged Nato force throughout Lebanon to disarm Hizbollah and then the retraining of the Lebanese army before its own deployment to the border.

This plan - which, like all American proposals on Lebanon, is exactly the same as Israel's demands - carries the same depth of conceit as that of the Israeli consul general in New York, who said last week that "most Lebanese appreciate what we are doing".

Does Ms Rice think the Hizbollah want to be disarmed? By Nato? Wasn't there a Nato force in Beirut which fled Lebanon after a group close to the Hizbollah bombed the US Marine base at Beirut airport in 1983, killing 241 US servicemen and dozens more French troops a few seconds later? Does anyone believe that Shia Muslim forces will not do the same again to any Nato "intervention" force? The Americans are talking about Egyptian and Turkish troops in southern Lebanon; Sunni Muslims ruling Shia territory.

The Hizbollah has been waiting and training and dreaming of this new war for years, however ruthless we may regard the actions. They are not going to surrender the territory they liberated from the Israeli army in an 18-year guerrilla war, least of all to Nato at Israel's bidding.

Yesterday's assault on the Israeli army in Bint Jbeil proved that. The problem is that the US sees this slaughterhouse as an "opportunity" rather than a tragedy, a chance to humble Hizbollah supporters in Tehran and help to shape the "new Middle East" of which Ms Rice spoke so blithely this week.

It is Israel which is running out of time in southern Lebanon. Its attacks have for the fifth time in 30 years placed it in the dock for war crimes in Lebanon. The toll of Lebanon's civilian casualties has reached 400. And still the US will not intervene to prevent the carnage, even to call for a 24-hour ceasefire to allow the 3,000 civilians still trapped between Qlaya and Bint Jbeil - who include a number of foreign nationals - to flee.

The only civilian walking those frightening roads to Qlaya was a goatherd, guiding his animals around the huge bomb craters in the tarmac. Talking to him, it emerged that he was almost stone deaf and obviously could not hear the bombs. In this, it seemed, he has a lot in common with Condoleezza Rice.

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