Audio Interview: Surfing The Mayan 9th Wave

[RedMahna]

hawkwind:

[bri]

I suppose we'll have to see what happens through Monday for starters.

There's been a heavy magnitude of turbulence in my life as of late...in a good way. Also immense joy. Seems out of my control.

[bri]

"Controversial Calleman"


The question of the Mayan calendar end date by Carl Johan Calleman

http://www.mayamysteryschool.com/pdf%20files/Mayan_EndDate.pdf

[Fintan]

[Fintan]

Here's the late Ian Lungold
explaining the Mayan system:

[bri]

[Fintan]

Ethical Investment Rocks

And this IS.

[RedMahna]

I won't poo-poo this thing, just incase that's how it comes across.
I’ve been having one of those Darwin moments.

I think the only people really moved by this stuff are those of us who are sensitive to vibrations – for lack of a better term. I mean, I'm not expecting the general public to behave any different if and when something changes here on Earth or in the atmosphere, etc., unless it involves some major catastrophe and it happens on their piece of real estate. If it's world-wide, then we'll all go "WHOA!!"

I've read two books the past year on the Mayan thing. They are 2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck (c 2006) and Apocalypse 2012 by Lawrence E Joseph (c 2007). Both are quite different from one another, from the standpoints of authors and their credentials. They do drop some of the same names, though, here and there. That's about it.
Pinchbeck likes to trip and seems to have made some neat friends out in the jungles and deserts. Joseph gets more into the scope of future natural disasters he feels are more likely to happen, and connects instead with scientists rather than native tribes, though he's done a little bit of that for the sake of his arguments.

I really don't know what to make of it all, to be honest. It is a very fascinating topic, no doubt.

But maybe it's best if I just keep quiet. I'm okay with knowing stuff about whatever, and if things come to pass, I can measure the situation from various sets of knowledge base and hope it connects enough to be reasonably distinguishable. (So if I see Jesus descending from the sky, I'll say something to the order of, "Shit, the motherfuckers were right!")

Seriously, though, the people I've spoken to who feel something's up have been similarly sensitive beings. Given the lack of employment these days, this COULD potentially add to the number of sensitive people. Perhaps with a break in rigamarol, you can anticipate more feeling people.
The question is whether they are feeling ANGRY or feeling something's different. How do you feel enlightened when you're angry? It takes a while to get over that. Put an angry population together and they may ricochet anger like multiple orgasms.

If there is a crazy dynamic to engage the world, would the best thing to do be RUN away? That's what nature does. Man is so self-important. Let's build a goddamn pyramid and embalm ourselves. I mean, the leading cause of death is being born. Why aren't we just concerned with knowing we have to go someday and strive to make it along while in this burdensome material body? Isn't that what other living things do?

red

[bri]

I hear you Red that these vibrations are only for the "chosen ones". I don't believe this is this case however.
The amount of people having "deep conversations" are increasing 10-fold from my perspective. Everyone wants to open up lately, sober or not.There were 3 or 4 major break ups at the bar I work at tonight. It was violent. Bars are bars but this is way more than usual.
In this same night, a neighbor confessed that he was there when someone killed himself and tried his best to prevent it. This guy was crying. A story quite unlike anything I've ever heard. Turns out this dead man was a good dude from my High School. We both had a nice freak out moment about that.
Another friend from school happens to have lived on the same street(edit: not the same number as I'd thought) as a friend from around here....so I heard tonight...The opposite coast mind you. .

Trust me, the one's who "know about the calender"---or otherwise, whomever realizes the world is an awesome, astonishing place---- aren't the only one's freaking out. They are likely getting there. Lately, I've understood those that I've considered "sheeple" in my angry past, even more so than conspiracy folk.

This synchro is too much. I could go on and on. Another neighbor's ex-husband randomly showed up and confessed to me about his alcoholism yada yada yada
Yeah the unemployed crowd is growing and awakening. No kidding, grown men---roofers, farmers, carpenters, tree removal----- are wishing for my job of cooking pizzas and lasanga.
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Though the above is not technically journalism and can't be referenced, if anyone else is having crazy experiences at this time I'd like to know.

[rainbow2009]

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Hi there. Would a newbie like me be welcome here?
Many thanks
Regards

[bri]

I'm sure you would be if you never hide a French Advertisement in your posts ever again.
bon voyage

[Fintan]

Yeah, the masses are awakening, but the spiritual curve
is probably shaped exponentially -just like the population
growth curve. We should see a huge stretch between the
leading edge of insight and those still catching-up.

Here's the Mayan rEvolution
up to the max: Progidy-style

[urbanspaceman]

In this post that is in part a critique of Calleman, and in part an exploration of the connection between human consciousness and history, I would like to draw a parallel with another one of Fintan's regular guests, Professor Bob Carter.

Many regulars on the forum know he is an outspoken geologist who is scathing of claims that humans have caused significant and dangerous global warming. In one of his lectures he demonstrated, with wonderful clarity, that if temperature records are bracketed out of context, global warming trends can be demonstrated just as much as global cooling trends.

Carter showed that although it's true to say that "the earth has gotten warmer over the past century", it's also true that there is nothing especially significant about the past century, and based on data spanning many thousands of years there is no reason to believe that the earth would continue to get warmer...in fact, considering the generally cyclical long term trends, one would expect it to get cooler eventually.

It is this kind of critique I would apply to Calleman's claims that he has reliable evidence that a breakthrough in global consciousness is immanent based on patterns he sees in the Mayan Calendar. Like Carter to the climate scientists, I see cycles where Calleman sees a continuing upward trend.

The subject as a whole is indeed fascinating and worthy or investigating: Is there a pattern to the history of the universe? If so, what is it?

Pretty much everyone of every philosophical persuasion answers yes to the first question, but differs wildly on the second question, giving a dizzying array of opposing answers. Even the hardened physicist, who believes only in material causes and accident, sees an overriding pattern to all of history. He sees a descending curve somewhat like this.

There's a Big Bang, an explosion that's creates all matter almost instantly, and after the galaxies manage to form it's all cosmologically downhill from there. Of course the average modern physicist doesn't see human life or human history as having any significance in this worldview. The Universe fizzles out, long after humans have perished, and the Universe never did or could care...the end.

The fundamentalist Christian or Muslim also sees a descending pattern, but from their perspective human history is HIGHLY significant in the course of all worldly time. In the beginning humankind is in union with God, and then not long after creation there is a 'fall from grace', and it's all downhill until the end. At that point history is complete, and those that have conserved God's laws through time will be reunited with him, passing the great test. Those who did not keep God's laws are done for. In this worldview, WHEN the end of time occurs is extremely important, because the damned may still be saved given enough time before the final judgement. Time has a significant human purpose and a focal point.

Many Hindus recognise a similar pattern, except the the fall from grace happens over and over. Each fall is depressingly slow and long, with each cycle lasting over 4 million years. The immediate future looks very grim in this scenario, with well over 400,000 years left of continuing spiritual and moral degradation on earth during the Kali Yuga (The Dark Age).

But this doesn't seem to fit the facts of recent human history. Whatever your belief system, it is difficult to deny the acceleration of change happening all around us during the past few generations. Whether used for good or evil, it's self-evident that the human race is being infused with some kind of burst of creative energy. It doesn't seem to fit the model of a slow decline, does it? And despite the visible increase in selfishness, alienation, and confusion in the modern world, there have also been moral improvements that seem to counter the notion of spiritual entropy. The decrease in slavery, the rise of feminism, the increase of respect for individual rights over the state, the increase of awareness of the suffering of others on the other side of the planet where no awareness existed before...are these not in fact signs of moral improvement? Or are they just a futile attempt to make the world a better place just before Judgement Day, a hiccup at the end of history?

The last few centuries has increasingly looked upon the 'fall from grace' model of history as outmoded and superstitious. After Darwin, the history of life began to look like the exact opposite of entropy and decline. Advances in science and industry fostered confidence and optimism that humankind was increasingly in charge of it's own destiny and less at the mercy of God and Nature, capable of constant self-improvement. Time itself became the story of progress and evolution.

Like the Entropy Model, the Progress Model often (but not always) has some kind end date or focal point. This may not mean the ending of time itself, but simply the completion of a goal that is reached after a long and arduous climb. Hegel, for example, believed in "the absolute end of history" and in the human progression toward "the Universal". In India, Aurobindo expressed similar ideas of social evolution, where eventually human culture will unite in consciousness with the Godhead. Even scientists and science fiction authors are now speaking of a rapidly approaching "singularity", where increasing computer speeds and other technological advances will end the human era as we know it, allowing for an almost unimagined superhuman born in a technological salvation.

It is here we come to Calleman's model, which is definitely of this flavour. As I expressed in an earlier post, just as I have difficulty in believing the fundamentalist Christian when he claims 'the end is nigh', I have equal difficulty in believing anyone espousing that global wide spiritual perfection is around the corner (in this case, in two years!). I fully accept the possibility of an occurring global spiritual evolution, but I have extreme difficulty with his timetable.

I would argue that there is much better evidence for a cyclical model of human history, and that Calleman is imposing his own imaginary pattern on history and has bracketed upward trends out of context.

In much the same way that a warming trend can be cherry picked out of the climate record, it's conceivable that the same upward trend can be isolated out of human history, and this progress can be mislabelled as the norm since the beginning.

Is history an ever progressive rise toward perfection, or a slow slide down from it?

If you consider a cyclical model, both views, in a way, are true. Historical cycles have periods of both ascension and descension, both ups and downs. It is only when you view too short a time period that you miss it's cyclical nature, and think that evolution is either only improving or only degrading. It's mistaking the forest for the trees.

Ponder this: the dominant, universal reading of history BEFORE the modern era was that of descending ages (Like the Hindu Yugas). Myths and legends abound of cultures began by Gods and ruled by God Kings, which degraded and were eventually ruled by ordinary human beings. We may argue about what was fantasy, what was local propaganda, what was merely symbolic...but it's undeniable that this intuition was dominant for the majority of remembered human history. Traditionally, when people described the past, the past was better than the present.

But this view was reversed in the modern era. The intuition that humankind was degrading was replaced by a new intuition that humankind was advancing. I would argue that we turned the corner a few hundred years ago, not that we finally found the truth that the universe had been progressing all along.

The clue to a lost understanding of the pattern of history resides, partly, in the ancient obsession with astrology. Cultures around the globe watched the stars and almost unanimously shared the belief that changes in the sky marked changes in civilisation and human consciousness. Because of the belief was so widespread, I'm inclined to think the ancients weren't just making it up, and that they actually knew something that we eventually forgot.

Calleman would probably reject such a notion. He does not think the Mayan calendar has anything to do with something as PROFANE as the observation of stars and planets, but that it points to something deeper, something more profound, something more spiritual. I think this is a false dichotomy between the physical and the spiritual.

Readers may be familiar with the "Dawning of the Age of Aquarius", and other such ideas from astrology that mark the changing from one age to the next. In western astrology, these ages are quite long, about 2000 years. Knowing that there are 12 signs of the Zodiac, all the ages total about 24,000 years. Have human beings really been tracking the skies this long to know these ages signal any meaningful patterns on earth? According to Sri Yukteswar Giri, an Indian guru and astrologer who lived about a century ago, the answer is yes. The ancients were particularly interested in what Plato called "The Great Year".

Our cycle around the sun, a solar year, is of course understood by everyone today.



The next largest cycle is considered by modern astronomers to be the rotation of the galaxy, which is estimated to last over 200 million years. But according to Giri, there is an important cycle in between the two. It is known today as the "Precession of the Equinoxes". Estimated at over 26000 years, observed from the earth it is the slow change in the background of stars that is marked by an annual event like the sunrise of the first day of spring (the vernal equinox).

Thought today to be a peculiar and insignificant phenomenon caused by the earth's slowly wobbling axis, it was considered highly important in the ancient past. Considering that it takes a lifetime to track 1 degree of 360 degrees of precession, it must have taken a very long concentrated human effort to track it.

Giri presents a very different model of the precessional cycle from the modern one of the wobbly axis, which we inherited from Issac Newton. According to oriental astronomy, said Giri, our sun is part of a binary star system.



Some astronomers now estimate that 80% of observable stars are part of binary star systems, so as weird as it may seem to us that our sun has a companion, it would not be out of the ordinary in the observable universe. More importantly, it is actually a better model to explain the Precessional Year and the slow change in the background of stars in the night sky.

These cycles are in a sense fractal, or repeating. Just as in the solar year we have a ball circling a larger ball of energy, it is the same with the Great Year. Giri calls this other ball of energy the Grand Center, or Bishnunavi (Bishnu's navel).



The solar year has 12 months, and so it is with the Great Year. The 2000 year-long 'months' of the Great Year are the ages of the Zodiac.



The Great Year also has it's seasons. Our proximity on Earth to the Sun gives us our Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter, and anyone who experiences the "Winter Blues" every year can attest that being farther away from the Sun affects their moods. This is the basis of astrology, the relationship between objects in the greater universe to human consciousness. Now imagine that the Grand Centre affects the human mind as well, and that the effect of the solar seasons are increased thousands of times during the 24000 years of the Great Year (Perhaps in proportion to the energy output of the Grand Centre).



According to myth and legend (the only history we have, since our written history doesn't extend much further back than 6000 years) the "Great Summer" of the Great Year was a time of collective union with the Divine. The Great Winter is a time when humankind feels the most separate from the Divine, but also has more freedom and individualism.



So where are we at the present time on this model? "The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius" marks getting out of the depths of the Great Winter and getting nearer to the Great Spring. Things are looking up, but there are still at least 5000 years until humankind will join in anything resembling a cosmic unity. Does that mean that our current time is not significant? I think it is significant, but not as significant as Calleman, or others that view the near future as the completion of history, believe. I think it is a special time because a few signs of Spring are always exciting, and there is much drama and promise ahead. But I see no reason to believe that the pace of change will continue to accelerate indefinitely any more than I believe the Earth will continue to get hotter forever because of recent warming trends.



What's fascinating about Giri is he was a devout Hindu who criticised the Yuga cycle as it is usually practised, arguing that as the world went into the Dark Age the real Vedic teaching was distorted. The Yuga cycle was not 4 million years, but was really referring to the precessional year of 24,000 years (and one might wonder why this differs from the common modern estimate 26,000 years...this comes out of the bad wobble model that assumes a constant speed. Since modern astronomers don't think the solar system is in orbit, they don't factor in the speed increase at the perigee of the orbit, which shortens the time). He argues that there may have been some miscopying, and some intentional distortion at some point by priests who were afraid of entering the Dark Age. They extended the time span in order to procrastinate!

What Giri also corrected was the order in which the Yugas cycled. Instead of the cycling entropy of the ages always descending, he argued that the original teaching referred to a natural cycle that descended from the Golden Age to the Iron Age, and then ascended from the Iron Age to the Golden Age. This is a pattern that reflects the other natural patterns we see around us, like breathing. After all, in the cycling entropy model, Summer unnaturally immediately follows Winter.

I can see how this Great Year model is not as exciting as Calleman's, that promises global human salvation next week. And some may find it depressing that a Golden Age is still so very far away, and we are still in the 'worst' age. There are some real downsides to the Iron Age, but I don't think everything about it is bad, or that everything about the Golden Age is good. I think you have to ask yourself about your subjective attitudes toward ageing in general, and as an individual -- what is the good age to be, what is the bad age to be? Is childhood the Golden Age, or is seniorhood the Golden Age? It all depends on what you value. Do you value peace and tranquility, or excitement and drama? Each age has it's pros and cons. The Golden Age will be an incredible time, but I doubt it will be 'perfect' in every way. I'm reminded of the An-shu song "Every Monkey is a Star":

"Sure there's pain,
But you'd be nothing without it.
You may think eternal bliss would be interesting,
But I doubt it"

[Peter]

Nice post!

The inherent nature of our existence is only a mystery to us. For how long remains to be seen.

Nature (the universe) hates a vacuum even tho that is what it mostly is...to say nothing of the unique and the individual. We are the exception to the rule as well as the key to understanding what is going on and what is coming up.

The new age is all about the fusion of methods and means. We will come out of our winter doldrums to awaken to reality as we have never been able to perceive it. Doesn't matter who thinks what, it is all about being there and doing what must be done.

[Fintan]

Great post, great graphics too, urbanspaceman.

It's about the best summary of the different types of life and
creation cycles I've seen in such a relatively short overview.

Glad you could lay out the nature of the Yugas system too,
because there's so much confusion about the cycle length.

However, you may be misinterpreting Calleman's analysis. Easy to do so,
because the Mayan analysis has become a bandwagon well co-opted by
commercial charlatans.