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Fintan
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 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: US/Mexico War On Drugs In Crisis |
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I reside on, and manage a large cattle ranch in the far southeastern corner of Arizona. I’ve been here for 13 years and in that time frame have become far too familiar with the illegal trafficking in human beings, marijuana and other illicit drugs.
My home has been broken into twice. My son’s home has been broken into also and between us we have had between twenty and thirty thousand dollars worth of stuff stolen from us including two ranch pick-ups, a four wheeler, 9 firearms (including a loaded AK 47) cash, jewelry all of our credit cards, driver’s license, etc. A guest house here on the ranch has been broken into so many times we quit counting…
Let me put this in perspective. The area I’m talking about is an area that covers approximately 17 or 18 townships with only 20 miles being adjacent to the US – Mexico Boundary. Within this area, there is a population of perhaps 600 people, 90% of which reside in Rodeo, N.M. or Portal, AZ, 30 miles or so north of Mexico. No less than 80% of the people in this area have been burglarized or otherwise molested by illegal aliens. This area is about half as big as the Diamond A ranch or Babbitt ranch in northern AZ, both of which I’ve been employed on.
I’m sorry to report that this, in my opinion, is the small part of the story. The Mexican-American border has taken a dramatic change for the worse in the last several years. Those of us who live here see it first hand. As early as February of 1999 Sheriff Larry Dever warned me and others at a town hall meeting at the Apache School that the Sinaloa Cartel was moving into the Douglas-Agua Prieta area (Rob Krentz was at this meeting). The cities of Nuevo Laredo, Coahila, Cuidad Juarez, Chihuahua, and other border towns south of Texas have been controlled by outlaws for years. There is virtually no law enforcement in those places. The law is the law of the jungle. .....
But this, in my opinion, is only the beginning. Chapo Guzman who heads up the Sinaloa Cartel is a multibillionaire. This guy and others like him may be cruel and sinister people but they are also very smart businessmen. They are reaping profits off of the largest tax free unregulated business on the planet. They have so much cash they are befuddled what to do with it all. But they are going to figure it out.
There are rumors that Guzman is financing modern, state of the art feedlots and packing houses in Mexico with plans to overtake America as the Western hemisphere’s leading beef producer. This is probably only a small part of his plans. Mexico is a nation rich in natural recourses. Petroleum is abundant and the corrupt Mexican government is in control of all of it. Pemex is the only gas station in town. Pemex, because of the incompetent Mexican government, is broke. Chapo Guzman is at war with the Mexican government and has dreams (not unrealistic) of controlling the entire nation. Think of all of Mexico’s natural resources in the control of Chapo Guzman! He already has the most profitable business in the world - selling Marijuana to your next door neighbor. Think what he could do with a tax free unregulated strangle hold on a nation of poor people begging to work for practically nothing.
Do you think that Chapo Guzman and others like him haven’t thought of all of this? Do you think that Guzman isn’t laughing all the way to the bank as he watches the evening news and hears how the American Government proclaims that the situation on the border is under control?
http://www.federalobserver.com/2010/07/27/ashurst-a-border-manifesto/ |
| Quote: | The Harsh Realities Along the Mexican Border
This video examines information and photos from
actual crime scenes of cartel related violence.
CAUTION ~ GRAPHIC CONTENT
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| Quote: | Valle Hermoso, Tamps - The silence is deeper than a tomb. Everyone knows what happens, but nobody says anything.
Entire villages are for days occupied by the Gulf cartel or Zetas, homes and businesses burned and looted; lightning attacks on police facilities or safe houses, fighting lasting all night and killings in broad daylight that leave no other trace than walls and cars riddled with bullets, blood on the pavement, because the victims disappear faster than it takes to die.
Everywhere threats against those who do not acquiesce immediately; kidnapping, assault and extortion for those who submit, and you must submit if you want to see tomorrow.
The communities living in the disputed areas are controlled by checkpoints and propaganda in the streets and main avenues, all the same in large cities like Reynosa and Matamoros and small like Burgos.
“No, nothing happens here, these are isolated events” chant the Governor and the majority of Mayors, at the cost of casting suspicion on themselves.
The people exercise the right of reply on the Internet. The calls for help accumulate, the accusations fly, anger at the impunity. It’s the testimony of helplessness.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/07/chronicles-from-terror-island-part-i.html |
| Quote: | Mayor killed in Mexican border state
August 31, 2010
(CNN) -- The mayor of a city in the Mexican border state of Tamaulipas was killed and his 10-year-old daughter was injured Sunday, officials said.
Marco Antonio Leal Garcia, mayor of the city of Hidalgo, was driving a truck on his property around 4:30 p.m. when he was killed, state prosecutors said in a statement.
State prosecutor Hernan de la Garza Tamez said police recovered 18 casings and three shotgun shells at the scene. According to the results of an autopsy, Leal suffered 27 bullet wounds in the head, thorax, abdomen and back regions.
Leal's daughter, who was riding with him, suffered non-life-threatening injuries, prosecutors said. She was injured by two gunshots to the leg, which fractured her tibia, officials said. |
| Quote: | 72 dead migrants found in Mexico tip of iceberg
By DIEGO MENDEZ (AP) – 6 hours ago
SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador — Paula Cruz wept quietly at the foreign ministry office in El Salvador's capital after reporting that her son was missing — apparently kidnapped — in Mexico.
"I got a phone call asking me to send $2,500 to ransom him," the 77-year-old mother said, clutching the last letter she received from her 43-year-old son. "I didn't have the money. I don't know if he is alive or dead."
Cruz fears her son may be one the 72 migrants found shot to death in northern Mexico last week. She is one of hundreds of people who streamed to government offices in Central America after news of the massacre spread, searching for news of relatives who went missing after setting out through Mexico hoping to reach the United States.
In the overwhelming majority of cases, family members' descriptions did not match the bullet-ridden bodies found in heaps at a ranch in the state of Tamaulipas. Instead, rights workers say, the missing migrants may be part of a huge toll of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of migrants killed by organized crime gangs and whose bodies may have been hacked up, dissolved in acid or buried in unmarked paupers graves.
The true number of undocumented migrants killed in Mexico in recent years may never be known, but they would almost certainly dwarf the number discovered last week. Mexico's National Human Rights Commission said there were witness accounts of 198 mass kidnappings involving 9,758 victims in a six month-period in 2009.
Activists say drug cartels like Mexico's Zetas — the gang blamed in the Tamaulipas massacre — frequently kill one or two from each group to scare the rest into asking relatives to meet ransom demands.
Almost 200 relatives showed up at the offices of the Honduras' foreign ministry in Tegucigalpa saying their loved ones had disappeared somewhere in Mexico. So far only 21 bodies found at the massacre site have been identified as Hondurans; 19 are of other nationalities, and 32 are unidentified.
In Guatemala, relatives have called the country's foreign ministry to report about 30 missing migrants since the massacre.
El Salvador's foreign ministry says at least 91 families have shown up in the capital, and at Salvadoran embassies and consulates in the United States, to report missing relatives since the massacre. The missing migrants had set out to cross Mexico months ago — in some cases, years ago.
Rosa Centeno was one of those who lined up at the El Salvador foreign ministry office. She was looking for her husband, Salvador Carpio, 47.
"I haven't heard anything from him in a week. The last time we talked he was in Tamaulipas," Centeno said. "Some men called and asked for $400, and I sent it."
Some of the relatives covered their faces outside the offices out of fear of drawing further attention from kidnappers or endangering their missing relatives.
"They called and told us that they had my brother," said one man, who would give his name only as Salvador. "They asked us for contacts (of relatives) in the United States to pay $10,000 in ransom."
Salvador said the family later got a horrifying call. "Last Saturday the same man called and said my brother was among the dead."
Alberto Xicotencatl, who runs a migrant shelter a block from railway lines used by migrants in the northern Mexico city of Saltillo, said drug cartels frequently torture and kill one or two from each group to scare the rest into dunning money from relatives for ransom.
Given the estimates on kidnappings that would amount to hundreds killed each year. Others are killed in robberies, assaults and rapes.
"The estimates are that in the cemeteries of Tapachula (a city near Mexico's southern border with Guatemala), there are hundreds of unidentified bodies, of migrants, that wind up in paupers' graves," Xicotencatl said.
Tapachula officials were not immediately available to comment. But the spokesman for Arriaga, another Chiapas railway town, Alfredo Ovilla, said there may be as many as 50 to 100 migrants in graves there after violence in earlier years targeted those riding trains. He said increased police and migrant-protection patrols had reduced the violence....
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jzJj7XNZH5ufbxXjxrxy4CO6p3pgD9HUUF6G1 |
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MichaelC
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Maybe if the rancher had been USING those Ak47s he mightn't be having all this trouble!
Not much chance of any of this changing, either. The narco-cartel owns much of the USA government and military.
The only thing that would stop all this caca would be total de-criminalization of all drugs, buyers or sellers. Chance that will happen? Zero.
For now the MasterCriminals rule. |
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James D
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The situation in Mexico is un-FUCKING-believable!
That horror video mentions 22,700 deaths (since late 2006 when Felipe Calderon came to power and annouced his war on the drug cartels) up to May 2010.
That figure is now over 28,000 as of August!!!
How is that possible?
Corruption? Poverty? Both?
Joaquín Sabina, a Spanish musician (famous for drugs/alcohol indulgance) recently criticised the Mexican Government.
"Yo creo que el presidente Calderón fue muy ingenuo, por decirlo de buena manera, cuando planteó esa batalla. Parece mentira que no supiera que la Policía estaba completamente infiltrada y a sueldo. Y parece mentira que no supiera que esa guerra no la puede ganar él ni la puede ganar nadie"
(I think the president wasn't very clever declaring this battle. It's like a lie/unreal that he didn't know the Police were completely infiltrated and paid for and that this war can't be won neither by him nor anyone.)
This has been news for years in Spanish, but here's a Mexican news site in English (which I know nothing about, but for this it seems quite good), so I hope it's helpful for all you "non-spanish-speaking-gringos" out there.
In fact, maybe it's easier and safer for them to report it in English!
http://www.banderasnews.com/index.htm
But there have, at least, been a few results lately -
Confessions of a Mexican Narco–Foot Soldier
http://www.banderasnews.com/1008/edat-narcofootsoldier.htm
Mexico has Fired 10% of Federal Police in 2010
http://www.banderasnews.com/1008/nr-fedpolicefired.htm
Alleged Drug Lord 'La Barbie' Captured in Mexico
http://www.banderasnews.com/1008/nr-labarbie.htm
Mexico's Drug War
http://www.banderasnews.com/1008/eded-mexdrugwar.htm
Get Shorty: Mexico Still Searching for Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán
http://www.banderasnews.com/1003/edat-getshorty.htm |
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Battles for control of access to the world's biggest (monopoly-controlled) drug market.
Is there anything else to this? |
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Fintan
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Thanks for that new site JD.
| Quote: | | The situation in Mexico is un-FUCKING-believable! |
Indeed. And no amount of capturing 'drug-lords'
is going to solve it. All that does is escalate the
violence, as factions within each cartel battle each
other for the spoils.
This is going to get worse. The drug gangs are sure
to deploy Iraqi and Taliban aysmmetric insurgency
tactics against authorities. It's inevitable.
Car bombs are already becoming a feature.
This is Al Capone on Steroids -and the weakest
pivot point for the whole War on Drugs strategy
--right on the US border.
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| Quote: | This is Al Capone on Steroids -and the weakest
pivot point for the whole War on Drugs strategy
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ROTFLMAO---You have got to be fucking kidding! Seriously--WTF R U up to?
get worse--Iraq like Taliban-- TACTICS--Dude either put down that fucking crack pipe--or show a bit of credibility and give it up!
Unbelievable !!!
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kenmize
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: HOMBRE??? |
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Hombre, forgive me for not seeing what should be obvious due to how well you articulated your conviction, but do you take issue with Fintans’ statement for any particular reason or do you just simply disagree?
I’m curious to know where the passion comes from |
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James D
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Here's another site dedicated to the subject:-
Borderland Beat
(Blog dedicated to the reporting of organized crime
on the border line between the US and Mexico.)
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/
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http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/08/need-for-uprising.html
The Need for an Uprising!
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Comments:
Matt said...
Mexico should issue Letters of Marque to private military companies or individuals, and allow them to kill or capture wanted drug cartel members for a bounty. I would also implement a prize court and allow those companies and individuals to keep any seized assets that those cartel members had. Mexico could also take ten percent or more via the prize courts, as a means to fund the bounty system.
If companies did not follow the guidelines set forth by the license (Letter of Marque), they could be fined or even imprisoned. Better yet, you could put them on the wanted list, and have entire industry turn on them.
In essence, this type of plan would allow the public to be more involved with the eradication of the cartels. I say allow the police and military to keep pressure on the cartels, but bring in this third component called private industry. The intent is to create an industry out of capturing or killing your enemy.
The cartels have created an industry off of selling drugs and creating a world of addicts. I say create an industry that profits off the drug cartel's destruction. If Mexico issued Letters of Marque to just Mexicans, then that would mean that only a small fraction of a potential industry would be applied. True large scale destruction of the cartels would require issuing Letters of Marque to those companies and individuals throughout the world that have a proficiency in this type of activity.
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Looks like there's business potential and opportunity here and support for it from Stratfor!!! - Rendition, Target assassinations!!! etc.
Is US Intel Helping in the Capture of Capos?
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/08/is-us-intel-helping-in-capture-of-capos.html
(includes freaky video)
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Banks not paying the price of role in drug trade.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/09/banks-not-paying-price-of-role-in-drug.html
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There is a common denominator, however, and it's one that most of us come in contact with regularly: U.S. banks.
A U.S. federal case in Miami that was settled earlier this year was stunning for what it revealed of the role banks play in the flow of money that fuels the violent drug trade. Laundering of drug proceeds is nothing new in Texas, of course. In South Texas, some may remember the 1994 federal conviction of two American Express International employees in a $30 million money-laundering scheme tied to the Gulf Cartel. At the time, a related $50 million agreement was termed the largest drug money-laundering settlement ever reached with an American financial institution. That, apparently, was chump change.
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Latest Victims of the Americas' Drug War
http://www.banderasnews.com/1008/edat-latestvictims.htm
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To get an idea of how violence begets violence, take a look at the Zetas? Briefly, they are a group of former Mexican military elite with U.S. training that crossed over into organized crime, taking with them their government-sponsored knowledge of counterinsurgency tactics and brutal repression. They are associated with the infamous Kaibiles in Guatemala who have a similar history. After acting as the armed forces for the Gulf Cartel, they split off and formed their own cartel. Their bid to take over lucrative trafficking routes is at the root of the drug-war violence in many points on the border.
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They've even got their own blog now - El Blog del Narco
Mexico's Drug War Goes Online
http://www.banderasnews.com/1009/nr-narcoblog.htm
Al Capone on Steroids? - Check
Iraqi and Taliban aysmmetric insurgency tactics? - Check
Going to get worse? - Looks like it.
I reckon you pretty much nailed it! |
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Hombre
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: HOMBRE??? |
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| kenmize wrote: | Hombre, forgive me for not seeing what should be obvious due to how well you articulated your conviction, but do you take issue with Fintans’ statement for any particular reason or do you just simply disagree?
I’m curious to know where the passion comes from |
First off: I've been following the Pen of MR Dunne for a long time, back before CHICKEN LITTLE tactics were so in vogue if you will. The BP Thing really really opened my eyes, and I'm not surprised at the subtle hints in regard to MR Simmons and how that mess turned out.
This thing with Mexico and the Drug Wars is yet another. I despise unnecessary fear mongering, sure some misguided people lap it up like popcorn, not me. Other than it being a huge turn off it serves no other purpose, unless of course one is becoming an Alex Jones clone right before your eyes.
Dunne is skilled enough without having to stoop to such levels, and in my humble opinion, a bit too skilled. Start from there and work backwards, maybe you'll come to understand a thing or two about passion, maybe even learn a bit along the way. 
Remember now, It's downtown Baghdad right on the US Border, which means???
If I owe Fintan an apology for my outburst I'll gladly give it. I'm just not into WWF type BS Spew.
I posted over a year ago about the Average US Citizen's state of mind, it hasn't gotten any better and to underestimate their current conviction would be a MONSTER ON STEROIDS of a mistake. Maybe I was stressed or maybe I just had an itchy trigger finger, but enough of the fear shit already.
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James D
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Here's one journalist's take on it all -
BEHIND MEXICO'S BLOODSHED
Part 2 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDxKWVboNGo&feature=player_embedded
And here's an interview with El Blog del Narco -
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http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/14/narco.html
Leaking secrets, leaking blood
The news arrives with disturbing regularity: 72 bodies found, a federal policeman killed, 4 men decapitated and hung from a bridge, 19 corpses found, 33 men executed, a massacre at a La Quinta Inn, Girl Assassin Squad Discovered.
This isn't news from Baghdad, it's a single week of headlines from Blog Del Narco, Mexico's rawest source of news on the ultraviolence engulfing the country. Until recently, the factional chaos was mostly confined to "Lost Cities" like Cuidad Juarez and Tijuana. Now, entire states are spiraling out of control.
Monterrey is Mexico's wealthiest city, its third largest, and until a few years ago, one of its safest. But in the last six months the metropolis has been turned upside-down. Drug gangs have set up scores of roadblocks on major highways, murdered the mayor of a prominent suburb, intimidated the media, and taken control of many neighborhoods. The military, federal police, and local police are everywhere but are almost as feared as the gangs. Systematic police and mayoral assassinations are causing entire towns to go dark. Nearly every day, newspaper editorials beg the government to save the city. All of this is happening just a two-hour drive south of the US border.
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The violence that is happening in Mexico is not because the public reads about what is happening in BlogdelNarco.com, the factors that provoke violence in Mexico are much more important, and ultimately they are economic.
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And all the problems seem to start right back with NAFTA |
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Hombre
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The 72 Killed were Migrant workers and had nothing to do with the WAR ON DRUGS, that's where NAFTA comes in, not to mention the normal course of business within Mexico itself.
| Quote: | | Migrant abuse widespread in Mexico, local groups says |
| Quote: | Local migrant aid organization FM4 has slammed the treatment of Central and South Americans crossing Mexico en route to the United States in the wake of the ongoing outrage at the murder of the 72 migrants in Tamaulipas on August 24.
While the world’s media has been scrutinizing Mexico’s policy in regards to the migrants, Monica Salmon says stories of torture, extortion and beatings have been commonplace among the migrants who pass through the FM4 center next to the rail tracks in Guadalajara for some time.
“It’s the same theme going back years,” says Salmon, the general coordinator of FM4. “The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) took up the issue and asked the Mexican government to act, but the government denied a lot of what was reported.”
Up to 20 migrants pass through Guadalajara everyday, patiently waiting for the night train heading north, which they board while it is in motion. For most though, a potentially fatal slip under the wheels of a freight train isn’t their primary concern.
An Amnesty International report from April this year described the plight of undocumented migrants in Mexico as a “major human rights crisis.” The report listed the dangers the migrants faced daily and even how police and migration officials extort the migrants just like the gangs. |
http://guadalajarareporter.com/news-mainmenu-82/regional-mainmenu-85/27542-migrant-abuse-widespread-in-mexico-local-groups-says.html
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James D
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You're right Hombre, those 72 WERE immigrants, migrant workers, "Sin Nombres" and the abuse has been going on for years.
They're regularly and systematically fucked over by almost everyone from the Police to Gangs during the whole journey to the supposed "Land of the Freedom and opportunity", and that all starts with NAFTA, BUT rarely are they summarily executed in such numbers and that's where the WAR ON DRUGS makes its mark.
Here's quite a good movie that maybe tells a tale similar to some of them, but you get a taste of what they have to go through -
Sin Nombre
Sin Nombre part 1 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88cNx_8Dcc&feature=related |
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Hombre
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| Quote: | | They're regularly and systematically fucked over by almost everyone from the Police to Gangs during the whole journey to the supposed "Land of the Freedom and opportunity", and that all starts with NAFTA, BUT rarely are they summarily executed in such numbers and that's where the WAR ON DRUGS makes its mark. |
Yes, History is a great guide along those lines, I'm speaking of the system that is. Many haven't a clue about this history which dates back to the 1800's when and where the Texas Rangers used to shoot Migrant Farm workers for sport. There are still unreported incidents taking place today within US Borders but they are in NO WAY EVEN CLOSE to the level of barbarous violence within Iraq ( THAT IS MY POINT )
Any comparison in regard to numbers, techniques, insurgents, methods between the two is absolute insanity. There's no need to embellish that which has gone on for decades regardless of how close to home it really is.
Mexican Migrant Workers and Lynch Culture
[/quote]More than a million agricultural workers migrated to the United States in the early twentieth century. The majority of these persons found work on small family farms in California; the white owners of these farms welcomed cheap labor. Although most migrant workers in California today are of Mexican descent, they originally came from all over the world: East and West Europe, China, Japan, Korea and Latin America, along with Mexico. The shift to almost exclusively Mexican migrant workers in the early 1900s was intentional. Growers at this time anticipated racial conflicts between the immigrating workers and the “natives” of California. Growers minimized local opposition to Mexican immigration by promising that the Mexican would return to Mexico (only a short distance away) following picking season. This broken promise enabled the growth of systematic oppression toward the incoming Mexicans.
As time went on, growers depended increasingly on the cheap labor provided by the Mexicans. This dependence, coupled with rising unemployment in Mexico, created a rising influx of Mexican immigrants to California, establishing Mexicans as “the single largest ethnic farm workers group in California” by the 1920’s. [1] Because these workers were forced to settle into communities that did not want them, and in communities that were promised the Mexicans were only staying temporarily, Mexicans were segregated, victimized, and resented by the surrounding white population. This maltreatment eventually escalated into racial oppression comparable to that of the blacks in the Jim Crow south. [2]
The racial hierarchy that Mexicans faced in the Southwest left them with no support from the law. Officials and policy makers serving the courts, police stations and communities in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries were the same white supremacists fighting for the Mexicans removal. The Texas Rangers were infamous for their brutality. In the name of justice they executed thousands of Mexican migrant workers without any repercussions. As early as the late 1800s, the Rangers began their violent attempt at repression. Onofrio Baca, a Mexican migrant worker, was arrested in 1881 on the suspicion of murder. The Rangers arrested him and promptly had him lynched, his body left to hang for days in front of the courthouse. [3] [quote]
Now I'm not versed enough to elaborate on this culture above or beyond specifics in relation to Today's world, but I'm pretty sure you'd have this kind of Violence with or without a WAR ON DRUGS, it seems to be somewhat normal activity. However, Roadside bombs and broad daylight raids that effect Joe Blow will more than likely never play a role without a Drone or Two ( already in place ) sending a clear and very swift message to cease and desist such foolishness.
http://amath.colorado.edu/carnegie/lit/lynch/migrant.htm
Maybe some of you remember a Chap named Jaun Corona, no he didn't band and market the beer. At the time I lived very near to where the deeds were done.
One thing that can't be over looked is the fact that Many EX-Military and probably not just Mexican, have now taken hold of leadership within some of the cartels. Obviously they started out as a means of protection and morphed into a demon once they saw the Real MONEY in play.
But again they have been doing business this way since the beginning and that's about as close as anyone will ever get to Iraq and any comparison thereof.
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James D
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I don't know if you can really compare the 1800's or 1920's, when the "White Settlers" of the now USA basically killed everyone and thing in their path with no repercussions, with today.
Juan Corona was a mad serial killer of 25 mostly white vagrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Corona
Can we compare the situation in Mexico to that in Iraq?
Maybe not. Sure they're different, one is/was a War, the other is ... What? Normal??
So with whom,what or where can we compare Mexico?
Are there other more appropriate places where a similar kind of uncontrolled criminal chaos takes place?
The last number I saw was over 28,000 deaths since 2006/7.
Which is 6 or 7 times this official number -
American Deaths in Iraq Since war began (3/19/03): 4418
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
* Tuesday: 8 Iraqis Killed, 6 Wounded - September 14th, 2010
* Monday: 24 Iraqis Killed, 66 Wounded – September 13th, 2010
* Sunday: 12 Iraqis Killed, 13 Wounded – September 12th, 2010
* Saturday: 4 Iraqis Killed, 12 Wounded – September 11th, 2010
* Thursday: 8 Iraqis Killed, 15 Wounded – September 9th, 2010
* Wednesday: 16 Iraqis Killed, 67 Wounded – September 8th, 2010
http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2010/09/14/tuesday-8-iraqis-killed-6-wounded/
Maybe those numbers are comparable - I don't know. More people are probably still dying everyday in Iraq, which is still a War Zone, but I still think that the situation in Mexico IS un-fucking-believeable, considering that it is a "democratic" trade partner on your doorstep.
Maybe I'm just not desensitised enough yet. 
And then there's the Wall -
http://thewalldocumentary.com/ |
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