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Fintan
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 Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: 9/11 Without Tinfoil 2: The Deception |
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9/11 Without Tinfoil - The Deception
Topics in this Show:
- Current Echoes of 9/11
- The Real Powerbrokers
- "Bush-Bush-BinLaden-Clinton-Bush-Bush"
- The Key 9/11 Issues
- 9/11's Next Level
DSL Mp3 Audio 
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel060920a.mp3
Dialup Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel060920.mp3
| Quote: | LINKS & REFERENCES
US accused of covert operations in Somalia
Emails suggest that the CIA knew of plans by
private military companies to breach UN rules
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1868920,00.html
Somali President survives NWO Assassination Bid
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=847#7167
G8 Make Their Move: Pentagon to Create "AfricaCom"
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=847
Iraq Study Group Members
The Iraq Study Group is a bipartisan group of prominent Americans
supported by four premier institutions. It is led by co-chairs James A.
Baker, III, the nation’s 61st Secretary of State and Honorary Chairman of
the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, and
Lee H. Hamilton, former Congressman and Director of the Woodrow Wilson
International Center for Scholars.
The other members of the study group include: Robert M. Gates,
Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III , Sandra Day O'Connor,
Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson.
Full Dettails on Members:
http://www.usip.org/isg/members.html
Iraq Study Group: Next 3 Months Critical for Country's Future
http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-09-19-voa82.cfm
Pope of the New World Holy Order
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=855
The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) in the September 11 Attacks
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html
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.... The Trance is Over.
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Jerry Fletcher
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Fan-f*cking-tastic! Thank you.
Each one of these 911 shows is a mini nuke in the controlled demolition of global ignorance.
True, the light of reality is blinding and harsh, but it sure beats the grey clouds of confusion, fear, and powerlessness.
From now on, I will pronounce the name 'James Baker, III' with a heavy Irish accent. 
Nice one.
Can not wait for the next.
Get on top of those chores, please! |
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hereward
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: Fintan Is A Fake |
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Sorry to so unceremoniously pull the plug on your little operation, but after listening to yet another episode of dreary/hysterical blue sky speculation based on nothing but your own mental musings, I feel it is my duty to announce this to the world:
** you are outed **
Breakfornews.com is part of the 9/11 coverup!
If you had been able to add **anything** of substantive value indicating real investigative journalism to your analysis I would not be outing you. But you are just stirring the pot (the honey pot, that is). Your ludicrous speculations on this website completely ruin your credibility and as you sink into the sludge you drag down all your loyal fans with you.
All you ever offer is cheap speculation. Anyone can look at a record album and make up silly theories. People did that when the Beatles released Sgt. Pepper!
We all know that G.H.W Bush is pulling strings behind the scenes! Michael Moore already pointed this out several years ago.
And "Jerry Fletcher" is about as fake a name as I've ever seen.
kindest regards
Heeward
www.911oz.com |
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Continuity
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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hereward said: | Quote: | | If you had been able to add **anything** of substantive value indicating real investigative journalism to your analysis I would not be outing you. But you are just stirring the pot (the honey pot, that is). Your ludicrous speculations on this website completely ruin your credibility and as you sink into the sludge you drag down all your loyal fans with you. |
And what's so great about your site? It's just a load of links to, and reprints of everybody else's material, from what I can see... 'Outed'. my arse...
| Quote: | | And "Jerry Fletcher" is about as fake a name as I've ever seen. |
You've obviously never seen the Mel Gibson movie, 'Conspiracy Theory', then, have you...? :roll:
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atm
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Fintan
could you direct us all to your Democratic Underground postings?
Great audio again esp. the Africa connection.
So much detail, it's mind-boggling.
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DeepLogos
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Dear Hereward the Wake,
Your "outing" (with the kindest of regards) is as surprising as it is correct and neseccary. I suggest you take a second look at why the websites were exposed in the manner they were. Painting this website with the broad strokes you do in your post is not fair, as the outing of the 'CIA web sites' is more neuanced and analythically sound than you might think.
Good luck with you research and goodbye.
-DL-
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pauper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Fix the link in the main page Fintan. It leads to the first part. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Excellent job Fintan. "I wish I had two more hands.... so I could give it 4 thumbs up!" (Rick James parody.)
And yes - shame on any of you not using your real name for posting, like "hereward" is. 
I dare you to prove I'm not using my legal name.
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indigitydogdignation
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Like many others, Hopsicker saw through the holes in the official story, he dissected much of the camouflage for us, his work went a long way towards exposing the state-side support apparatus behind the 'hijackers' - a classic set up. His work is important especially if the 'hijackers' in question weren't actually involved in the attacks. Most significantly, his expose of insider complicity bridges the gap between lihop and mihop. Unless his material is provably fradulent, I don't think it helps to label him as an insider or even a 'fake.' REALLY! |
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urbanspaceman
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These last few audios are like crack cocaine -- I can't wait until the next hit!
To look at the the end of the cold war as a step in an imperialist expansion, or a redrawing of the map of a 'covert empire', is a new idea to me. If this is really the truth of our current world, this is a kind of empire we've never seen before, isn't it? It's strange in that the public and those in power have 2 completely different political maps of the world in their minds.
I imagine historians 2000 years from now: "most of the citizenry didn't even know they were in the Empire".
The last comment about Hopsicker: I haven't really read much of his stuff, and I came across Fintan before Hopsicker, so I'm not in a position to judge fairly yet. But one valid criticism of the last audio is that just because a story only has one source doesn't mean it is a planted fake. That DID seem to be the thesis Fintan was proposing in the audio, but I realize that he can only fit so much in during 30 minutes. Ideally you want a story to have corroboration, that's for sure, but a true story could come from just one source.
I do recall Fintan's critique of Amanda Keller. She did come across as a fake herself, so that's another part of the Hopsicker critique: wasn't he smart enough to question the things in her story that didn't add up? |
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Continuity
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Other things to bear in mind about Hopsicker is the fact that *no-one* has ever interviewed or spoke to Amanda Keller. No-one. Not Time, not Newsweek, not Bild, not Paris Match, not the Mail on Sunday - NO-ONE. If you think about this for a second, it's weird as fuck. Imagine what it was like for Lee Harvey Oswald's wife after the coup that deposed JFK - Marina Oswald was the object of *huge* press attention, and is still detectably 'hot' journalistically, even to this day, she is still interviewed by researchers. Imagine if it was just *one* guy who had spoken to her, and not one slightest bit of interest from anyone else, even mentioning her existence. It'd be unthinkable, wouldn't it?
The other thing that I find fishy about Hopsicker is his, how shall we say, 'mono-vision'. He is well known for being a proponent of the 'fact' that it *was* 19 hijackers that defeated the US on 9/11, and at presentations & lectures he has been heard to say 'Anyone's welcome to come and ask me any questions afterwards, but I don't want to hear any of that 'Controlled demolition' or 'Remote control' crap.
Fishy, no?
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xiando
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11 Without Tinfoil - Part 2: THE DECEPTION |
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| Fintan wrote: | | 9/11 Without Tinfoil - The Deception |
No tinfoil for me?? 
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Iraq Study Group Members
The Iraq Study Group is a bipartisan group of prominent Americans
supported by four premier institutions. It is led by co-chairs James A.
Baker, III, the nation’s 61st Secretary of State and Honorary Chairman of the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, and
Lee H. Hamilton, former Congressman and Director of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.
The other members of the study group include: Robert M. Gates,
Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III , Sandra Day O'Connor,
Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson.
Full Dettails on Members:
http://www.usip.org/isg/members.html
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"Iraq Study group", eh? Thanks. I wasn't aware of that group, thanks, I'm glad I'm now aware of that info.
These guys (quoted above) seem to show up EVERYWHERE. Interesting.
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Fintan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Feedback |
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Thanks for the feedback on the audio. 
| Quote: | | pauper: Fix the link in the main page Fintan. It leads to the first part. |
OMG! What a homepage mess -wrong links, wrong date.
'Nother case of the 4am Upload blues lol --Thanks
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hereward: Anyone can look at a record album and make up silly
theories. People did that when the Beatles released Sgt. Pepper!
We all know that G.H.W Bush is pulling strings behind the scenes! Michael Moore already pointed this out several years ago. |
Lol. People have even looked at Mars pics and made really silly theories.
The challenge is to come up with sensible theories. Which I have done.
And it really is missing the point to imply we are saying that G.H.W Bush
is merely "pulling strings". We are talking Covert Government. We are talking
Clinton as a GHWB stooge. We are talking a 35-year Dictorship, leading
inevitably to 9/11.We are talking about a guy who tried to ice Reagan
--so hasty was he to grab power. That ain't in no Michael Moore movie.
| Quote: | | ATM: could you direct us all to your Democratic Underground postings? |
Well I posted quite a few on DU --especially during the Stolen Election thing
of 2004. Here's a Google Search Link. And here's my favorite post I ever
did. Just 24hrs. after Kerry Sold us Out!
| Quote: | My DU Posts:
Google Search "Fintan Dunne" site:democraticunderground.com
My Fave ever DU Post:
Copulation Control 2004 --How America Got Screwed.
by Fintan Dunne http://www.BreakForNews.com 3rd November, 2004
Copulation Control is the means by which the U.S. political elite copulates with the electorate.
As with any copulation, this is usually preceeded by some sort of seduction. Which is where
John Kerry comes in. Rattles Bones. And goes out again. With hardly a murmur....
When the electorate, particularly the valliant defenders of the Democratic Tradition, woke up on Wednesday, 3rd Nov.,
it was to realize that they were missing their underwear.
They have groggy recollections of a late night out on the town, on Tuesday night. And their missing political underwear
surely gives a clue to what happened last night. Last night, despite only dim recollections, they must have been screwed.
Well and truly. It must have been exciting... at the time.
A sudden slew of critical late, late night results --for a sleepy electorate. And it's all over. The long queues a phantasm
of memory. The turnout... didn't turn out as expected.
Every vote counts. But, hey! Who's counting? Not Dean, so smoothly to Kerry. So soft the wash of dissent,
guided to fall silently on the rocky shores of electronic hardware. So virtual, Democracy. So long.
"Follow me," said the piper. To an election with No Exit.
That's Copulation Control. 2004.
(Like 2000 -only Ohio)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1290765#1313884
http://www.breakfornews.com/Copulation-Control-2004.htm |
| Quote: | | urbanspaceman: one valid criticism of the last audio is that just because a story only has one source doesn't mean it is a planted fake. |
I do take your point. But the "single source" aspect of Amanda Keller's
story is not the only thing I'm relying on to guage Hopsicker's motivation.
Y'see if Keller is agency. (And I am certain the agency would play it that way)
Then would they allow just any ol' body to be her sole media contact?
Or would that person be another agency op?
The answer is that you don't let outsider's that close to a vital agent.
Who knows what way they might run with the story. Too dangerous.
| Quote: | Continuity: Other things to bear in mind about Hopsicker is the fact that *no-one* has
ever interviewed or spoke to Amanda Keller. No-one. Not Time, not
Newsweek, not Bild, not Paris Match, not the Mail on Sunday - NO-ONE. |
Precisely. |
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indigitydogdignation
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| Quote: | | To look at the the end of the cold war as a step in an imperialist expansion, or a redrawing of the map of a 'covert empire', is a new idea to me. - urbanspaceman |
Reminds me of the the work of Anthony Sutton, who exposed the relationship between U.S. and Western multinational bankers, the MIC and the Soviet Empire. For decades, U.S. taxpayers covered guaranteed loans to the Soviets that were VERY profitable to western bankers and ultimately to many defense contractors as well. (The Soviets always defaulted on the loans, naturally, and frequently put the money towards military hardware purchases from western industrialists.) Few people realized that American taxpayers were supporting the arms race on both sides during the cold war.
I believe the Soviet Union and much of communist East Europe was influenced or even controlled to a large degree by the people who were writing the checks and shipping the hardware. No matter how genuine the animosities were on some levels, the Soviets were totally dependent on western finance and industry for their survival, and the threat of discontinuing might have given some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the United States an extraordinary amount of leverage over the political environment behind the iron curtain. Had it not been for the Bolshevik revolution, the Russians would have been major industrial competitors and not major industrial consumers.
| Quote: | | I do recall Fintan's critique of Amanda Keller. She did come across as a fake herself, so that's another part of the Hopsicker critique: wasn't he smart enough to question the things in her story that didn't add up? - urbanspaceman |
I've made a substantial part of my living over the last sixteen years as a landlord. As incongrous as her situation might have seemed to more well-adjusted people, Amanda Keller seems pretty real to me.
| Quote: | | Other things to bear in mind about Hopsicker is the fact that *no-one* has ever interviewed or spoke to Amanda Keller. No-one. Not Time, not Newsweek, not Bild, not Paris Match, not the Mail on Sunday - NO-ONE. If you think about this for a second, it's weird as fuck. - Continuity |
Maybe she declined any subsequent interviews after Hopsicker made her famous? If so, she had had a chance to speak her mind and maybe that's all that mattered to her? If there's any truth to her story then she might have been threatened. (?) Honestly, the only way through all this is to keep an open mind. I really don't pretend to know...
| Quote: | | The other thing that I find fishy about Hopsicker is his, how shall we say, 'mono-vision'. He is well known for being a proponent of the 'fact' that it *was* 19 hijackers that defeated the US on 9/11, and at presentations & lectures he has been heard to say 'Anyone's welcome to come and ask me any questions afterwards, but I don't want to hear any of that 'Controlled demolition' or 'Remote control' crap. - Continuity |
I remember him saying "...and I don't care what anyone says, the Mohamad Atta that I discovered was perfectly capable of slaming a plane into that building," or something to that effect. I've never heard him speak either way about controlled demolition, but I haven't heard all of his talks. If you have something of his where he mentions controlled demolition, please post a link. Even Gen. Benton K. Parton, who developed the research pointing towards cutter charges at the OKC bombing, initially spoke against controlled demolition of the towers. (I never knew where he stood on WTC7. I think he's kept a low profile on 9-11.)
I've found almost all 9-11 related research kind of 'fishy.' The source I'm most confident in is Jim Hoffman, and I've felt that way for quite some time. (....and while he once believed the peak oil myth, he might have changed his mind. Let's hope so.)
addendum: | Quote: | Fintan: Y'see if Keller is agency. (And I am certain the agency would play it that way)
Then would they allow just any ol' body to be her sole media contact?
Or would that person be another agency op? |
Can you think of any outstanding reasons why the 9-11 set up would be less sloppy than the JFK coverup, for instance?
It's easy to say that anyone as close to Atta as Keller supposedly was would have been planted by the agency, yet there were plenty of people who saw or knew Oswald who had no such connections at all. It's been reported that actor James Woods claims to have seen Atta & co a week before 9-11. Woods had just boarded a plane where Atta was causing some kind of frackus. As the story goes, Woods was so alarmed he spoke to security about it. Is Woods with the agency also? Was the story about his incident pure bunkam?
If there's any truth to the idea that the 'hijackers' believed they were taking part in yet another drill on the morning of 9-11, then surely they would have been allowed some frivolity in the meantime?
Wouldn't they have believed the U.S. govt was working with them on some level?
Let me put this in a nutshell, Fintan. Why is Hopsickers work so fundamentlally detrimental to 9-11 truth?
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Jerry Fletcher
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| Quote: | | And "Jerry Fletcher" is about as fake a name as I've ever seen. |
Ok. You got me.
*sigh*
My real name is Deep Throat. |
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