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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there's Iran on November 14, as Litvinenko is ailing (poisoned 1-Nov, died 24-Nov)
'enriched' Plutonium traces found

I just love crimes of possession: they empower the most ruthless to prey on the most innocent. That is not to say I personally do not think Iran is enrighing uranium, but 'traces' don't cut it for me, alone. The nature of these substances, as it is for unlawful drugs, is such that one dirty cop with a lead badgefull can plant a little presumption-of-guilt where it is desired. IAEA inspectors may be noble in intent, but they are not impartial observers and it only takes one.

Crimes of possession are broken by design and the concept is unsalvagable, because by precept it grants ultimate power and temptation to those who are attracted to such positions. A beat cop once told me when they broke off into a regular and "Blue Lightning [Drug] Strike Force" he was glad to see those apples go, now he and his buddies could sleep easier at night. This is a cop speaking.

from 'Whizbang!'

International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

The report prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms. As well, the four-page paper made available to The Associated Press confirmed that Iran continues uranium enrichment experiments in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.

Earlier Tuesday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Iran would soon celebrate completion of its nuclear fuel program and claimed the international community was ready to accept it as a nuclear state.

Iran has been locked in a standoff with the West over its nuclear program. The United States and its European allies have been seeking a U.N. Security Council resolution imposing sanctions on Tehran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

"Initially, they (the U.S. and its allies) were very angry. The reason was clear: They basically wanted to monopolize nuclear power in order to rule the world and impose their will on nations," Ahmadinejad told a news conference.

"Today, they have finally agreed to live with a nuclear Iran, with an Iran possessing the whole nuclear fuel cycle," he said. He did not elaborate.

President Bush said Monday there was no change in his position that Iran must first suspend uranium enrichment before there can be any dialogue with Tehran.

"Our focus of this administration is to convince the Iranians to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions. That focus is based on our strong desire for there to be peace in the Middle East. And an Iran with a nuclear weapon would be a destabilizing influence," Bush said Monday.

Reported elsewhere, but I like linking to sites with names like "Jesusland".

Ahmadinejad Announces Plans for 60,000 New Centrifuges!
Tuesday, November 14, 2006

The centrifuges could make more than 44 pounds of weapons grade uranium each month.

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad greets the Iranian media before starting a news conference in Tehran. Ahamdinejad has defiantly announced the ultimate aim of Iran's atomic drive was to install tens of thousands of uranium-enriching centrifuges to produce nuclear fuel.(AFP)

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahamdinejad announced that Iran would start installing thousands of uranium-enriching centrifuges by early next year:

Despite the threat of UN sanctions over Tehran's refusal to hold back its nuclear programme, Ahmadinejad said that the long-term target of Iran should be to install 60,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium.

Iran has said it is looking to install 3,000 centrifuges by March 2007, in itself a massive step from the two cascades of 164 centrifuges apiece it has currently at its Natanz plant to enrich uranium on a research scale.

"We want to produce nuclear fuel and eventually we should go for 60,000 centrifuges. We should continue along this path. We are at the beginning of the wave," Ahmadinejad told a news conference Tuesday.

Experts say that 50,000 centrifuges would normally be sufficient to produce 20 kilos (44 pounds) of weapons grade uranium in under a month, but Iran vehemently denies it wants the bomb.

Also, today International Atomic Energy Officials announced that they found traces of unexplained plutonium and highly enriched uranium at a nuclear waste facility in Iran. The IAEA also said it could not confirm Iranian claims that its nuclear activities were exclusively nonmilitary unless Tehran increased its openness.
(Via LGF)

Ahmadinejad also said that Iran is ready to talk with the US once it changes it's attitudes.

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patrick neid said...

"i'm a dinner jacket" has it made if his religious beliefs are as reported. start armageddon and perp #1 climbs out of a well and islam rules for 1000 years or whatever. tell me this guy isn't doing everything possible to start or get attacked.
12:55 PM
Nahanni said...

He has to work fast now, too.

He got his Democrat allies in a position to hinder any action against him on the US's part. The Democrats will do all they can to stop any action against him by demanding "summits" and going through the UN (which the Islamofascists own but we pay for)to buy him as much time as possible. He already has Europe and the UN kissing his arse and knows they will do nothing but wet their pants and cower before him. So he now has the green light from the UN, Europe and the Democrats to try to destroy Israel.
2:36 PM
A Jacksonian said...

At least he can't buy them through the AQ Khan ring from Mitutoyo anymore. So the likely suspects on the provisioning side are: Russia, China or North Korea.

Or all three.

And nice to know that the Pakistani nuclear designs went into the AQ Khan Ring, too. Add in some special sauce of using Iraqi nuclear scientists that fled to Syria and having distracted the entire world with Iran itself and soon you get your first nuclear device. In Syria. Which has North Korean missiles it bought in the 1990's.

Surprise everyone with getting Syria a nuke first, and then while the world community fusses make one for yourself while they are distracted. This is a *winning* strategy...
7:13 PM
DANEgerus said...

Lame Ducks and Dirty Bombs

This illustrates the problem with not being able to provide a credible non-nuclear deterrent as the (D)emocrats have undermined the nation's will to use conventional force. This dooms us to rely upon, and eventually be forced to use, nuclear force in retaliation.

Because... for the umpteenth time... Iran has been caught red-handed...

So... warhead designs, traces found in plants, plants razed to hide evidence, plants built without generators or transmission lines for electrical power they obviously don't intend to produce, multiple warhead missiles only suited to nuclear weapons tested and deployed, fuel enriched for plants not even built... Take your pick of the "caught red-handed" moments of the last couple of years.

Why is the scale of enrichment so vast? They don't have plants to use that uranium... so... what else could it be used for except weapons?

Anyone believe that they won't use a "dirty" nuclear bomb on Jerusalem? New York? London? Madrid? Paris? Bali? Moscow?
10:33 PM
Bostonian said...

The official Kerry/Edwards policy was to give Iran nuclear fuel and monitor that they used it for peaceful puposes.

Really. It was on their campaign web site.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amid the newsbite noise of people who are sure they think they know who's behind it, finally real forensic progress: Millenium Hotel the likely source of contact; two associates with significant exposure. This stuff is great for great for planting herrings. Sherlock Holmes award to 'unidentified senior source',

"This [bus] ticket helps us prove Litvinenko's death was not a suicide or an accident," an unidentified senior source within the Metropolitan Police's Counter-Terrorism Command told the newspaper. ~Daily Mirror

for helping us along by ruling out the possibility of suicide or industrial accident. Though if the ticket shared a suit pocket with a hankerchief and Litvinenko habitually used one, and had already established a pattern of drinking at that bar to provide the opportunity for a set-up, could have been a 'clumsy napkinless false-waitron' play.

Bar was likely site of poisoning
By Kim Murphy
Los Angeles Times

LONDON - Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko most likely was poisoned at the bar of a hotel where he met with two other Russians, both of whom are currently in hospitals showing symptoms of radiation sickness, health investigators said Friday.

For weeks, investigators had zeroed in on a different location, the Piccadilly Circus sushi restaurant where Litvinenko had lunch, believing that was a likely location for his mysterious poisoning with radioactive polonium-210.

But that theory has been shaken by medical evidence showing that seven people who worked at the bar of the Millennium Hotel in London's tony Mayfair district also have been exposed. The bar has been placed under quarantine.

Police have refused to say where they think the poisoning took place -- a crucial question, because it may be the best clue to who did it, and why. One law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said detectives had made no final judgment.

But the medical evidence suggests that the poisoning probably took place at the bar, Michael Clarke of Britain's Health Protection Agency said in an interview Friday. ``The monitoring of the staff in the Millennium bar was done for public-health purposes, but it obviously has implications for the police forensic analysis -- implications of timing, and possible scenarios for the administration of polonium.''

Clarke emphasized that he is looking only at medical evidence, and not at whatever the police investigation has turned up. But the fact that seven bar employees are exposed is significant, he said, especially since no sushi bar employees, and no hospital employees, have similarly tested positive.

``Given that Mr. Litvinenko had a very significant quantity of polonium-210 administered in some way, there are obvious possibilities that small amounts of that could have been left on, for example, a glass or a table, that subsequently led to employees being exposed. But until there is a proper forensic examination, I really don't want to speculate on that,'' Clarke said.

On Nov. 1, Litvinenko met two Russians at the Millennium's Pine Bar: Andrei Lugovoy, a businessman and former KGB colonel, and a second businessman, Dmitry Kovtun. Russian news organizations reported Friday that Lugovoy, who was a friend of Litvinenko's, is now in a Russian hospital with apparent radiation damage to several organs. Kovtun also is reported to be seriously ill.

Later that day, Litvinenko went to a London hospital with symptoms of what doctors eventually determined was polonium poisoning. He died Nov. 23.

The former Russian security agent, who became a bitter critic of the Russian government, told friends that he suspected the poisoner could have been one of the two Russians or the man he met at the sushi bar, Italian security consultant Mario Scaramella.

Scaramella also has tested positive for exposure to polonium-210, but not in amounts sufficient to sicken him so far. He says he was meeting with Litvinenko to warn him of a possible attempt on his life.

Litvinenko also said he believed that the perpetrator, whoever it was, was acting on behalf of the Russian government. The Russian government has denied that.

Litvinenko 'poisoned at hotel'
11/12/2006 10:11 - (SA)

London - A bus ticket found in the coat pocket of ex Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko indicates he was poisoned in a central London hotel where he met with two associates, the Daily Mirror tabloid said on Monday.

Citing police sources, the newspaper said that the ticket was bought near Litvinenko's central London home on November 1, the day he fell ill, three weeks before he died.

He used the bus to travel in to central London where his meetings that day took place.

According to unnamed police sources cited by the Mirror, the bus he boarded has been checked and was not contaminated by the radioactive substance polonium-210, large quantities of which were found in Litvinenko's urine.

Because the hotel is the first known place he visited, the tabloid said, that indicates he was poisoned there, because high levels of polonium were detected there.

On November 1, Litvinenko met with Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitri Kovtun at the hotel, and also met with Italian academic Mario Scaramella at a sushi bar that day.

"This ticket helps us prove Litvinenko's death was not a suicide or an accident," an unidentified senior source within the Metropolitan Police's Counter-Terrorism Command told the newspaper.

"He entered central London from his home without a trace of polonium."

"If he had already received the dose, it would have shown up on his bus seat. But the bus tested negative."

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: A Dose of Reality Reply with quote

At last somebody in oficial reports is starting to question
events --raising the same issue as has come up on this forum:

German expert doubts Russian involvement in polonium

www.chinaview.cn 2006-12-12 06:37:37

BERLIN, Dec. 11 (Xinhua) -- A German radiation expert doubted Monday that Russia involved in the polonium-210 poisoning of former Russian spy Alexander Litvenenko.

Sebastian Pflugbeil, president of the German Society for Radiation Protection, told ARD national television that he would not rule out the possibility that the poisoners had deliberately strewn traces of the isotope in London and Hamburg to mislead people.

"If you keep polonium in a tightly shut vial, you can transport it without contamination and don't leave any dirty trail," he said, adding it was too obvious to be credible.

"Either these killers were rank amateurs, or, and I think this is also plausible, a trail has been deliberately created to cast suspicion in a certain direction," Pflugbeil said.

"What is remarkable here is the way it was done," he said, "Secret agents are normally trained to kill without leaving any evidence. But in this case, it's not just a trail. They have practically bulldozed a superhighway all the way to Moscow. They wanted to make a spectacle of it."

Pflugbeil, a physicist who has previously studied how East German secret agents abuse radioactive material, said that he knew of no case in which secret services had used polonium to kill an opponent.

German police had found on Saturday "indications" of radiation in Hamburg in Dmitry Kovtun's ex-wife's department. His ex-wife, two children and her new partner were contaminated with the highly radioactive substance.

Doctors were trying to establish whether the substance has got into their body. They say if it did not penetrate into the body, there will be no life risk.

Kovtun is a business man who met former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in London on Nov. 1, the day the former Russian spy was believed to have fallen ill. Litvinenko died on Nov. 23 in London hospital, while Kovtun was reportedly ill.

A team of German police and radiation experts are investigating into the case.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Return of Vlad the Destroyer Reply with quote

Russian President and ex-KGB spy Vladimir Putin is fast becoming
a pop icon thanks to a racy all-girl band.

Their sticky pop tune called A Man Like Putin can be heard blasting from
Moscow's shops and cars. In the song, the lead singer of the band Singing
Together is fed up with Russia's violent and vodka-guzzling men and
chirps about the usually stern-looking president.

Putin, also celebrated in books and T-shirts, has enjoyed spectacular
popularity since becoming president in 2000 for his tough approach to
restoring law and order after a decade of political and economic turmoil.

Below is the full text of the song:

My boyfriend is in trouble again, / He got into a fight and got stoned
on something, / I am sick of him and so I told him, get out of here, / And
now I want a man like Putin. / A man like Putin, full of energy, / A man
like Putin
who doesn't drink, / A man like Putin who wouldn't hurt me, /
A man like Putin who wouldn't run away from me. / I saw him in the news
yesterday, / He was saying the world was at the crossroads, / It's easy
with a man like him at home or out and about, / And now I want a man
like Putin
Reuters, November 1, 2002

Return of Vlad the Destroyer

Ok, so we have this guy Andrei Lugovoy --seeming to play both sides of
the field in the oligarchs versus Putin. But was his arrest in 2001 by
Russian authorities, merely "a legend" --to quote friends of Litvinenko?
What we might call a PsyOp.

If so, then he is an FSB mole all along.
And the spy poisoning trail leads back to ol' Vlad Putin.

So, would Putin be worried about this?

Fuck No!

He wants you to know. Or, rather to suspect without full proof.

Vlad is running a PsyOp on the Russina people. He is in the process of
reinventing himself as a worthy Russian dictator. The move is designed
to scare shitless the ordinary Russians who might oppose him. And it's
subtly designed to remake him as a semi-concealed dictator. PsyOp.

It's also designed for Western consumption.

Vlad is the replacement orge to G. W. Bush.
The PsyWar demands there always be a Stalinesque figure.

The deliberate scattering of plutonium --which made the whole issue
mainstream headline news for days or weeks-- betrays the PsyOp
nature of the whole Litvinenko story. Murder made into headline news.

Plus, it's an anti-nuclear power PsyOp which demonizes radiation and
thus solidifies the bargaining power of Russia's vast oil and gas reserves.

Mysterious Personage in Litvinenko's Case

Andrei Lugovoy

05.12.2006 by AIA staff


In 1998-99, internal struggle for power in Russia became swiftly aggravated. It was promoted by the approaching parliamentary and presidential elections, deterioration of the President Yeltsin’s health, frequent change of heads of the Government, and a sharp aggravation of situation in the North Caucasus.

Boris Berezovsky was one of the key participants of this struggle. He promoted the appointment of the former FSB Director Vladimir Putin for the Prime Minister in August, 1999. However, soon becoming the President, Putin, leaning on the support of his former KGB-FSB colleagues, headed for cardinal strengthening of the state power that contradicted interests of influential oligarchs, and, first of all, Berezovsky.

As a result, he lost his control over numerous companies and lost his former political influence. In 2000 Berezovsky left Russia, having received political asylum in Great Britain. The same occurred to his closest partner Badri Patarkatsishvili who found a refuge in his native Georgia.

With the crash of empire of the two oligarchs, the majority of their confidants either also had to leave Russia or appeared under investigation on charge in various offences.

According to the AIA’s interlocutor, Lugovoy felt the consequences of the inflamed struggle for power on himself even in the spring of 1999. Then he for the first time was detained by law enforcement bodies. However, at that time his personal contacts and the patronage of influential bosses sufficed for his fast release.

In June, 2001, Lugovoy was arrested the second time, and there was no Berezovsky and Patarkatsishvili’s in Russia already. Then Lugovoy’s name became known to wide Russian public. He was accused that under Patarkatsishvili’s order he tried to organize runaway of Nikolay Glushkov, the former assistant to the general director of Russian airline Aeroflot, who was in custody. Glushkov in his turn, according to investigation, in 1995-97 was an accomplice of Berezovsky in plunder of the large money resources, belonging to Aeroflot. In September 2002, Lugovoy pleaded guilty, and the court sentenced him to imprisonment for the period of 1,2 years. However, as Lugovoy had already spent the specified term in imprisonment before the trial he was released from custody.

Some of Litvinenko’s friends are considering now that the second arrest of Lugovoy was actually "a legend". In their opinion, the FSB aspired to show thus to the disgraced oligarchs that Lugovoy, as well as their other confidants had been pursued by new authority. This ostensibly removed from Lugovoy suspicion in cooperation with his former secret services colleagues that allowed him to further maintain confidential relations with Berezovsky and Patarkatsishvili. The same friends of Litvinenko are claiming that he initially considered Lugovoy a covert agent of the secret services in the entourage of both oligarches.

November 30 Badri Patarkatsishvili himself unexpectedly allowed to understand about existence of such suspicions. Speaking to the Georgian TV channel Imedi, he expressed hope in Lugovoy’s non-participation to the London murder, however, at the same time emphasized that it is a question of the former KGB staff officer. "There is only one truth I agree with, and it is the saying – the former KGB agents do not exist,” added Patarkatsishvili.

Full Article: http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1152


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lest it be too obnoxious, let me say BUMP to Fintan and Hocus and others
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes Gary, i am stalking you

hilariously, newsnight last week put out an urgent request to plane spotters !...Kirsty Wark asked all plane spotters to try to find the nuclear plane(s), and gave out their numbers

is that the best the bbc can do ? don't they have better ways of getting this info ?..i'm not sure what the real scoop was - underlying that, but it made the bbc look helpless and bumbling. slick
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scaramella's reported confession to the cops of CIA connections in that 'Secret Life of Mario Scaramella" link sounds like a petty crook making up an attractive angle in hopes of cutting a plea bargain, or immunity.

Chances are he was hired as a low end contractor for one intelligence agency or another, since he's involved.

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Flashback to 25-Nov, debka.com (whose job is to say such things) says Israeli double-agent. Yeah right. Litvinenko and Scaramella has-been intel-grifters, the folk for hire who do some of the legwork. As inherently vulnerable to deep malice tactics as prostitutes, they carry no secrets, are trusted with none, yet if the need arises their spy-like past associations can be sold to a public that is skimming spy novels for action, even Ian Fleming readers would be saying, "what's the real deal?"

I'll bet the 'former Yukos CEO' in Israel is thinking, "Why me, Lord?" and washing his hands a dozen times a day. As should we all, the cloddest stupids are doing cloddest stupid things. I'm sure Litvinenko didn't get to travel to Israel every day, probably thought he was really part of something big. And he was, the foolish man.

He was to be the martyr, Scaramella the kooky grifter who survived. Someone else set 'em both up. Still not sure I go for the 'Putin diddit in plane site' angle, though its captivating hubris of the act is enticingly tempting, and the directness is compatible with (my impression of) the gambits of the USSR. And perhaps Putin plays such games. But I am not convinced he played this one, the Israeli angle has so much blowback potential.

The serindipitous emergence of Iran's Nuclear Bogeyman a first phase (link to regimechangeiran.blogspot.com, everyone's favorite uncontaminated news source ;-) the first steps to send us into the fallout shelters again, Litvinenko's poisoning a shockingly human lead-in to the main event. I am no Alex Jones (finding more satisfaction in The Hunt for Red October)... but the emotive news aspect of the poisoning has a short half-life, so I would tend to think of it as a 'pneultimate' rather than a 'groundwork' event.

Murdered Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko passed documents to former Yukos CEO in Israel months before his death - debka report

November 25, 2006, 9:10 AM (GMT+02:00)

Leonid Nevzlin, former CEO of the oil giant and current chairman of the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, says the former Russian spy came to Israel with classified documents on Yukos which may be damaging to Russian leaders. Nevzliln estimates that Litvinenko’s death was connected with this information, which he has handed to London police investigators of the murder.

DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources add that the Russian ex-spy is believed to have been a double agent, who sold trade secrets to different parties in and outside Russia, among them some of the Russian oligarchs living in exile in the West. Livinenko served as a colonel in a Russian Federal Security Services unit which investigated and carried out special operations against businessmen.

British police found traces of the radioactive Polonium 210 in Litvinenko’s urine.

The London media accuse Vladimir Putin of being behind the murder which they claim was politically-motivated.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: The Scaramella Connection Reply with quote

Hello Everyone,

Based upon the investigation into Litvinenko's death as it has been progressing so far, Scaramella was involved. To assassinate Litvinenko would require luring him to a location that the plan could take place. It may be that Scaramella was working with others that went to London from Moscow for a major soccer match that they used as cover to travel there. That is the conclusion that I am deriving from the evidence.

Putin however would not have been so foolish as to order the assassination of Litvinenko using a radioactive substance. That was the point to my position when I wrote the Litvinenko article at my site.

I am pleased that the article has stirred debate and if anyone would like to chat about it or any other national security topic feel free to register at my company's forums. OPORD Analytical is a new company that I designed in graduate school and finally launched to provide intelligence analysis for the public that they will not receive from the special interest media. The company is not affiliated with the US Government in any way. I am completely independent.

In some of my articles I speak of "911 conspiracies" skeptically because I am skeptical about them. I am trained as a scientist and I have looked at the conspiracy evidence of most of the primary conspiracies being bandied about and frankly the conspiracies are all explainable by facts. If anyone does have conspiracy information that cannot be explained away, by all means let's discuss it. I have looked at the aircraft conspiracies, the collapse of the buildings, the 911 response timelines, personnel flight rosters, etc, and have found nothing unusual about them based upon the open-source evidence.

I am interested in any debate about US national security and conflict resolution. Most of the work that I do is in the area of conflict resolution and identifying national security problems because those are where my interests are.

Anyway, again, nice to meet all of you and you have a great site. Feel free to drop by my forums to chat any time and any input that any of your folks have on helping the United States with security issues or any of the topics I write about are always welcome.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an odd post from a blog on the Russian spy case:

Pick up a cigarette and you'll find polonium 210 in the tobacco. Then phone the UK health department and ask them why they pulled two high-powered TV ads warning people about polonium 210 in cigarettes. Then ask the why they pulled all the beer mats from North Country pubs that warned people about polonium 210 in cigarettes.
Posted by: Tom Dennen | Jan 27, 2007 1:18:51 AM

This is beyond my knowledge to decipher. Any of you Brits care to comment?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i heard the EXACT same truth/lie a month ago Shocked
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