BBC Reported WTC-7 collapse twenty minutes before it fell

stallion4 · Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 692

Couldn't disagree with you more on this one, Hocus Locus. Building 7 was controlled demolition -period. First responders were even told that the building was going to be "brought Down" on purpose. People heard what sounded like bombs going off seconds before it fell. Some witnesses have even come forward to say that the official damage report to Building 7's South side is BS.

The more people that learn about Building 7 the better. It's the smokiest gun of them all. So show all your friends video clips of the building falling down, and sit back and watch the wheels in their heads begin to turn:

Video Clips of the building falling down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWemhf8fZ2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6_WRPZjIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLnBSyc4ICo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th17YNqOCSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmL9F-TSIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewf3zYS-QkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLqx_gjBAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPfKghBIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFsXzKa2ce0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

7 minute video presentation on the destruction of Building 7 on 9/11...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4556787288866368337&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=undefined

-Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)

Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview.
Audio: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78

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Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden

Sep 20, 2006
Pacifica Radio's Guns & Butter
New York Stories: 9/11 First Responders

Audio stream:
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=142

Show archive page is here:
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?page=3

McPadden's speech begins at 46 minutes in

@ 48:14 he makes the following comments about what he witnessed while at Ground Zero on 9/11...

"They said you know you've got to stay behind this line because they're thinking about taking this building down, they're not sure if it's stable or not, so they were holding a line off because they had knowledge that something was gonna happen. Well, they pushed us back a little bit....a couple of minutes later they started coming down....people started coming back out to the street, I watched five New York City buses jam packed with people wanting to do search and rescue head down there towards Building 7 - people walk out into the middle of the street to see these people off, like bon voyage and right then Building 7 came down."

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And here are a few people who witnessed Building 7 come down...

NYPD Officer (Retired) & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth."

[...]

"I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw... I am shocked at the story we've heard about it to be quite honest."

Speaking Out: An interview with Craig Bartmer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218&q

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-Reporter Al Jones: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion -- looked like it had been done by a demolition crew -- the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion."

Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 28:25)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q

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-Emergency worker: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cause it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around -- we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock."

Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 31:30)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q

stallion4 · Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 692

BBC Has Lost Tapes Of 21st Century's Defining Moment
9/11 coverage gone due to "cock up". Why is this not a world news headline?
http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/280207BBC.htm

Nat · Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 851 Location: minime-rica

from J7

aye aye, wha's all this then ?

mortimer · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 12

In my opinion, this story is another psyop to attract attention toward a specific mainstream media in a way to have general reaction like this: "Hey, BBC knew about all that and didn't share it with us. Come on, let's show to BBC what we can do to force it to abjure its sins."

obeylittle · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

Caution. Not. Enough. Information. Yet.

Hocus Locus · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

LuCidiTy · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 229 Location: USA

Fintan · Site Admin Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 5212

9/11 Campaigners:
Beware the BBC-WTC7 Sucker Play

by Fintan Dunne, Editor http://BreakForNews.com
1 March 2007

Leading CIA-run 9/11 Fake websites are running hard with the story
that the BBC announced the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7
well before it's eventual demise, and are touting this supposed gaffe as
a major embarrassment for the official version of events, and a shot
in the arm for the 9/11 Truth movement.

Of course, it's the complete reverse, but don't expect the CIA Fakes
to point that out to 9/11 campaigners hungry for any gain in their
battle to expose the grisly truth of September 11th.

Many of the truth campaigners, already sitting on a veritable raft of
incriminating evidence that the official tale is bogus, are keen to add
what Alex Jones' Prison Planet website has called the BBC's "Psychic
clairvoyance" to their list of gripes against the mainstream version.

Writing on Prison planet, Paul Joseph Watson bluntly says: "Of course
they were told that WTC7 was coming down", and presses the BBC to
reveal the source of it's misinformation.

The BBC has responded that if they misreported, it was "an error, no
more than that". They quote a blogger saying "so the guy in the studio
didn't quite know what was going on? Woah, that totally proves
conspiracy..."

SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS

There is admittedly some wry humor in the sight of a reporter advising
that WTC7 has collapsed, while it stands proudly in the background.
But the real joke is on the truth movement.

Understanding why requires an appreciation for political dynamics,
something of which the cover-up team are keenly aware, but which
comes harder to those unversed in the slimy tricks of the trade of public
opinion management and manipulation.

The CIA Fakes, who espouse 9/11 truth -while continually undermining it,
are steadfastly keeping the movement focused on the misdeeds of it's
"enemies" in the mainstream media and the political establishment. It's
a clever emotional tactic which neuters the effectiveness of the whole
movement.

The reason why, is known to every media manager in every political
party which has a support base larger than the relatives of it's own
members.

Rhetoric about how nasty the other guys are is great fodder for the true
believer membership, but is of little use in attracting the huge group
known as the 'swing voter'. The process of public persuasion is one of
steadily winning over the middle ground. One percent here, two percent
there eventually leads to gaining a clear majority.

One of the most potent tactics in winning that ground is to try engineer
situations where the 'other guys' seem to be the extremists while one's
own party is portrayed as a bastion of sensibility. Of course the media
managers in the 'other guy' party are as aware of this and are as adept
at refusing bait and 'spinning' things the opposite direction. In modern
politics this produces a balanced tug-of-war where gains are hard to
come by.

JOKE BACKFIRES

That kind of appeal to the middle-ground is exactly the clever game
being played by the engineers of the BBC-WTC7 'controversy'.

To the undecided, the question of the BBC calling it wrong on the WTC7
collapse seems like no big deal. Two skyscrapers had already fallen that
day, and word had been circulating for some hours prior to the BBC
misstatement that the burning Building 7 was in imminent danger of
collapse. The question of why that kind of word was circulating is
another issue entirely, by the way.

So, on the face of it, as far as the undecided are concerned, making a
big deal about the BBC error can be portrayed as the raving of fanatics.

Which is exactly how the BBC are portraying all this. Expect other media
to follow suit in due course. And expect the BBC to chalk this down in
their book of lunatic fantasies of the 9/11 truth Movement. To be
wheeled out at every suitable occasion to deem themselves as the
aforementioned bastion of sensibility.

Meanwhile, expect the CIA Fake websites to rail against the BBC and
keep pushing their demands for the organization to come clean. All of
that will build a nice file of quotable quotes from the CIA-controlled
luminaries in the 9/11 truth movement to be used by the mainstream.

Really, all this might well have been a storm in a teacup, were it not
for a couple of things used to hook the interest of the 9/11 truthers.

A video of the BBC broadcast went missing on Goggle, and now the BBC
has apparently 'lost' it's tapes of their own transmission. Both of
these were smoke screening lures to try convince the 9/11 campaigners
that there really was something of advantage to them being suppressed.

Actually, the whole thing, triggered by the original 'discovery' of
video of the BBC transmission, has been carefully timed to follow
hard on the heels of the BBC's own one-sided 'Conspiracy Files' episode
attacking the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's designed to copper fasten perceptions carefully built up in that
program, that 9/11 campaigners are lunatics who tread insensitively on
the memories of the bereaved while propagating wild allegations.

And so, as if on cue, in fact precisely on cue, comes a package of
wild assertions wrapped in suspicious circumstance and pushed by
CIA-controlled personalities and websites --designed to prove the BBC
right in their recent demonization based on carefully selected 'facts'.

So the BBC lost their 9/11 tapes, did they? I think not. The only
thing lost in this case is yet another round of the clever courting
of middle ground opinion over the true nature of the 9/11 attacks.

But then, you hardly expect the 9/11 truth campaigners to win in a
mainstream arena where the opposition is playing one-sided, dirty
PR games and is aided and abetted by the CIA-engineered leaders
and spokespersons for the 9/11 truth movement.

Even if ordinary 9/11 truth campaigners wise up to the latest devious
episode in this information war, it will matter little. The CIA Fakes
will shrill on relentlessly, providing more and more quotable quotes
to be used against the people they nominally represent.

USE THE INTERNET

The only arena where this battle for minds will be won is the internet.

It's as stacked a deck as the mainstream media, due to the vast army
of well-funded CIA Fake 9/11 websites. But at least the ordinary
9/11 truth campaigners can articulate a more balanced view in forums
and on blogs. Sans the simplistic booby-trapped sloganeering of their
own CIA-chosen 'leadership'.

Only by exposing the deeper manipulations such as the one detailed
here, can any ground be gained. In truth, the numbers are vast who are
deeply suspicious about the official tale of 9/11. Given the facts,
their suspicions would soon harden into convictions.

The 9/11 campaigners have a vast array of facts much more convincing
that mere bitching about the accuracy of a staged BBC error.

But, they'll never get those facts into the mainstream. Where even
as I write a travesty of fact is being passed off as a legitimate 9/11
controversy, and an elaborate farce is being played out to try hold
the line on the crumbling edifice of the official account of 9/11.

We must expose the CIA Fakes. Unless and until we do, they will
continue to play fools to the gallery of public opinion.

Spread the word.

Fintan Dunne, Editor
BreakForNews.com

Read "The CIA Fakes":
http://www.BreakForNews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm

LuCidiTy · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 229 Location: USA

It's hard.

toeg · Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 10

Fintan,

That makes sense and explains a lot of the anomalies with the story.

1. How is it possible that this story hasn't been raised earlier, years earlier?

2. Why doesn't she ever look behind her to notice that she's got the WTC7 behind her the whole time?

3. Why can't they find this little ditty today?

stallion4 · Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 692

FYI, I personally witnessed the evolution of this story, and at this point I do not believe it is some sort of psy-op or whatever. To the best of my knowledge the BBC footage was discovered after hours of 9/11 coverage was uploaded on the website Archive.org. A 9/11 researcher (who I'm familiar with) from 911Blogger.com who goes by the moniker "911veritas" discovered the footage after downloading it from Archive.org. If anyone else would like to see how the story evolved, visit this thread at 911blogger:

Danny Jowenko - Dutch Demolition Expert Still Maintains WTC7 Could NOT Collapse Due to Fire
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6400#comment-119070

After the discovery was made, someone started this thread a couple of days later...

BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6458

Here's the original thread where the Archive.org links were posted on February 22, 2007:

Massive 9/11 TV Archive
http://911blogger.com/node/6391

More info regarding how this story evolved can be found here:

Jim Hoffman's article on BBC's 9/11 Timeline & Foreknowledge of WTC 7's Collapse
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6512

THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE TO THIS STORY COMING OUT. Millions of people are now hearing about Building 7 for the first time thanks to it, and to 9/11 researchers who are working hard to expose the 9/11 criminals.

BBC got caught with their pants down on this one. Nothing more, nothing less...

obeylittle · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject:

This isn't for everyone here so ignore this and move on if you haven't been suckered today. For those that aren't so sure... well we never have all the facts about anything. We can only hope to assemble enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

The wonderful thing about human life is that we all make mistakes that are correctable. Its human nature and totally acceptable to be imperfect and flawed. But as beings capable of analytical and rational thought, we may learn from our mistakes should we expend a little effort to reflect on our experiences. Other beings are not so gifted with this choice. And learning is a choice, nothing more.

But even in the animal world a creature may adjust to its actions, hangouts and habit. Even a dog, who cannot assemble any complicated analytical thoughts, may cease to chase cars, after being run over by them a few times. A smart dog avoids cars entirely, while other dogs may chase until hit by a car once, then learn the permanent painful lesson.

The bottom line is: The fake medias on the Internet produce lies. The mainstream medias produce the same lies, co-existing and bolstering each others mandates. They are symbiotic parasites, we are all convinced of that. We have analyzed volumes of proof to show that they exist only to twist lies to dissipate critical questioning and analytical thought.

How can we now believe that the fake media is suddenly and uncharacteristically, against their mandate, disseminating a truth? Why is it that some of us are still chasing the same cars down on the same corners? The next level awaits those crippled and battered chasers. It is a simple human choice.

Show off your battle scars and show us where you got them. Perhaps we can eliminate those dangerous corners and hold responsible their liars out front directing the traffic. These are criminals after all and justice will help to heal the wounds.

mortimer · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 12

We have to look about what is the content of this "new" event. BBC knew in advance? If it's true, what we can prove beyond this? That BBC is infiltrated by agent provocateur or something. Maybe, but it's not the way to prove it like it seems to be done now because the real "agent provocateur" knows the skepticism felt by a part of the public toward the mainstream media and want to guide the popular anger to it. I'm not defending BBC in specific but freedom in general because if we go on with this reasoning, in the finish we'll find ourselves without any professionnal media. Only a voice which says us what we desire to hear.