Fake Antiwar Army Ranger Exposed

[Fintan]

Almost predictable,
so I guess the big question is......
......Cointelpro -or just some
dumb kid on the make?

At first, Jessie MacBeth looked good.....

[Ormond]

[stevensnell]

I just wanted to post this:

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2006/05/stop_the_lies.html

absolutely spot on.

[Ormond]

Steven,

That url you posted just blew my mind. I really didn't see that coming... Now that one really does have 'psyops' written all over it! I'm speechless.

[Ormond]

Okay, here's the JUST CITIZENS blog piece on exposing MacBeth

http://justcitizens.blogspot.com/2006/05/nimrod-of-week.html

And here' are the creators of JUST CITIZENS. Seems there are just two 'someones' over there.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/23093851

[Dvishnu]

Absolutely hysterical!
Still rolling on the floor....

[Ormond]

More from Jesse MacBeth: an interesting case study link on Fintan's post. http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3922

[stallion4]

News article, written in 2003, that contradicts stories stating that Jesse MacBeth didn't serve in Iraq as an Army Ranger:

From the Eastern Arizona Courier:

Soldier struggles with memories of Iraqi war
Nov. 3, 2003

The war in Iraq was officially called to an end a few months ago, but according to Private First Class Jesse MacBeth, 19, of Pima, the turmoil has just begun.

MacBeth, a ranger in the U.S. Army, returned to the states two-and-a-half months ago after sustaining an injury in his back. He spent 14 months serving in the Middle East—first in Afghanistan and then in Baghdad.

Formerly from Tucson, MacBeth now resides in Pima, where he has family, friends and a fiancé. He said that small-town life is the perfect remedy for the various traumas that he suffered during his service in the Middle East.

“Loud noises startle me,” he said. “Its nice and quiet here. I live in a trailer out in the middle of nowhere.” According to MacBeth, his reaction to loud noise stems from the horrible experiences that he had while in Iraq. After returning to Ft. Benning in Georgia, he was officially diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and received both medication and counseling to help him adjust to a non-combative environment.

“The Iraqis would stand in a crowd and shoot at us. We had to kill civilians to get to them because we were ordered to shoot anything that came at us,” he said. “I keep having nightmares about it.”

MacBeth and others in the 10-man unit in which he served were some of the first soldiers in Baghdad. He said his unit had a special duty to perform. “We had to clear the loyalists from the tunnels under the city. Some were from the Republican Guard.”

MacBeth was shot in the back by an M-16 rifle while in a tunnel. He remembers that he had to continue fighting after a Canadian nurse quickly stitched up his wounds. “They would sew you up and you’d have to just keep on going,” he said. MacBeth is haunted daily by the memories of his service in Iraq. “We didn’t think about what was going on while we were there,” he said, “but it’s coming back in dreams. I don’t like to remember it.” He recalls watching his buddies die, which he said is nearly unbearable for him to think about at times. “I lost good friends that I trained with,” he said. “I gave some dog tags to family members personally.”

For MacBeth, one of the most important duties during the war was protecting those he served with. He said that after the traumas U.S. soldiers faced daily, loyalty became their main area of concentration. “It wasn’t for the glory,” he said. “We fought to protect each other.”

He remembers the conditions that he and fellow soldiers faced in Iraq with much trepidation. “There was so much stress and pressure there,” he said. “I saw grown men that I looked up to crying.” MacBeth said that often American soldiers went for days without sleeping or eating due to the stress and paranoia brought on by the dangerous environment. “We never knew where the gunfire was coming from,” he said, “and we were losing battles. A lot of my friends wanted to kill themselves over there.”

According to MacBeth, the attitude displayed by Iraqi civilians further dampened the U.S. soldier’s spirits. “Some people were grateful that we were over there, and that helped,” he said. “But that was only a handful of people. Most of them hated us.” The vehemence displayed by the Iraqi people is not completely unjustified, he said. “We wouldn’t like it either if soldiers came into our homes with weapons and forced us to live a certain way.”

MacBeth joined the army when he was 17 with hopes of defending America’s security. He said that he felt a strong sense of duty and a desire to serve during his days of military training. After his experiences in Iraq, he said his feelings have changed. “All of the values like honor, pride and integrity don’t mean anything in war,” he said. “There’s nothing honorable about killing kids. I did nothing heroic.”

Though he has been scarred by the desolation of war, MacBeth said he wants to start a new life. He plans on marrying soon and wants to find work and buy a home here in the valley. Counseling sessions to battle his Post Traumatic Stress Disorder are still on his agenda and he is undergoing surgeries to remove shrapnel from his back. In November, he’ll attend a hearing for his medical discharge from the military.

The battle in Iraq is behind him, but MacBeth said he will struggle with his memories of war for a lifetime.

The article can be found at this link.

So according to the Eastern Arizona Courier news story, Jesse MacBeth was an Army Ranger who served in the Iraq war.

FYI, I discovered this updated information after reading this blog:
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/trackbacks/20349/

Once there, scroll down to update #2.


BTW, here's a link I found to the Jesse MacBeth video posted on 'Google Video' for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5598930054847637875&q=Jesse+MacBeth


And just to clarify, I haven't decided whether or not I believe the MacBeth video is a hoax.

Any opinions about the Eastern Arizona Courier story? Anyone have more info that supports MacBeth's story?

[Ormond]

First thing about this Eastern Arizona Courier article is that it was publishished in November 2003. MacBeth was 'exposed' by someone at 'JUST CITIZENS'
(a blogger), this week, May 2006. I mean, do the math.

From what I have seen on the internet on searches for information on this man and story, is well......a 'clusterfuck'. The story has been spun into outer space.

A standard practice of counterintelligence is to insert a plant (fake) masquerading as just the person the target group would love to have as their poster boy (or girl). They sound perfect at first, but after the news about them has been widely accepted and associated with the target group, either that person blows the story by acting bizzarre, or out of the blue 'somebody' 'exposes' them as a criminal or phoney, etc.

I've found no evidence that MacBeth either was or was not in Iraq, or the military at all.
I found the source of the exposure, JUST CITIZENS, is a blog operated out of the home or office of a Brad Staggs, age 39, who happens to live in Arlington, Virginia USA. Arlington happens to be CIA headquarters, if that means anything here.
But Staggs and other reports seem to be taking it at his word that he called the Rangers records and they didn't have a service or dischard record on MacBeth. No documents to that effect, and no active Army spokesman has been quoted by name.

I've also found no follow up on MacBeth, no new video or interview of him explaining himself or providing documentation.

Thanks for posting the video. MacBeth sounds fluid in his story enough to be believable, though I'm not an Iraq vet so I don't know whether a real vet would notice anything out of place in his story.

But one thing that did sound fake.....to me.......is his stuttering. I think MacBeth may be an actor. I didn't buy the stutter. But of course that's just a personal opinion.

More important that this crazy story, is that there have been bone fide Iraqi veterans who've been on the 'mainstream alternative' radio, NPR, and Pacifica's Democracy Now. Anti-war activist '4 star mom' has been surrounded by real IVAW members for over a year.

My conclusion? In researching this story (which I had never heard of previous to yesterday), I found tons of BS and bogus web sites, and not any substance at all. Yet here we all are paying attention to it.

Smells like counterintelligence work to me. It's just too weird and too off the beaten track to be newsworthy.

[stallion4]

From Iraq Veterans Against the War:

[Ormond]

Thanks, Stallion
This Jesse MacBeth affair is unfortunate. Iraq Veterans Against the War is a key organization for bringing public perception of the reality of the occupation home to Americans. Obviously military intelligence and counterintelligence will work vigorously to discredit organized veterans who discourage public 'morale'. Whether MacBeth himself is--as Fintan said---COINTELPRO or just a 'kid on the make' for a few handhouts, we will never know for sure unless some can go deeper into his real background. And he may not be worth the effort at this point.

The Jesse MacBeth story never made the 'liberal mainstream' news layer, it seems to have been limited to the internet layer. If MacBeth had been lauded National Public Radio or even Pacifica, it would have been much more damaging. But whomever was handling him didn't make the phone calls to get him on air. If they had, mainstream national news has the funds to staff professionals who actually know how to check out a person's background, and they do it routinely before going to broadcast.

The exposure of MacBeth this particular week may have been timed to counter this story, which came out this week also. But this story is irrefutable, and currently running in the mainstream outlets.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5434292
Military Probe Accuses Marines of Killing Civilians

This is a serious story, Marine internal affairs has investigated it since November, when it occurred. The incident has been confirmed, as local Iraqis provided video tape and photographs along with their testimony.
It's a story that will get traction in the mainstream, probably more damaging to public perception than the Abu Girab scandal.

[Fintan]

As usual Jones/Watson at PrisonPlanet are hopping aboard the
"Fake Ranger" story because by now the PsyOp angle is glaring.

No big deal, but you'll at least get a good laugh from Watson's spin:

[Ormond]

Anybody that works with the likes of Alex Jones is a schill or a dupe, but I scooped him on that connection between MacBeth and coverup, on May 26, posted as a topic here: Military Probe Accuses Marines of Killing Civilians

That really is what the MacBeth exposure was all about, cover for the Murder massacre of women and children in Haditha last November.

Thing is, I noticed hardly anyone even looked at the headline I posted. This tells me something ot the emotional fatique people are feeling about the occupation. People are avoiding the true death stories......they prefer to enjoy making fun of the clowns. American war always becomes 'chic'...ever since wwII Hollywood has managed to come with the angles to make it 'hip' to make a joke of the wars, one way or another.

Makes the work of the counterintelligence downright easy, and they know this very well. That's why they know exactly what kind of circus people will run to for their 'war news'. They're giving people parody and theatre of the absurd.......and people prefer it because it's an escape from their own impotence and cowardace. A Jesse MacBeth lets Americans feel off the hook.

[jachinstrongcity]

I agree Finton, this MacBeth looked like the real McCoy, and saying all the right things. I had no problem with anything he was saying, as I knew he was describing real life situations with real life responses that the military now do. War is and has always been a dirty business. And as for proving if he was really there, surely he has a DD form 214 (American Discharge papers) in his possession, plus photos taken of him there in Iragi with his buddies. Surely there are other veterans who can place him there when he said he was there. As for his uniform appearance after he got out of the service, I wasn't exactly the most proud veteran when I got out, and I, like him worn my uniform in a very unprofessional manner whenever I put it on, which was hardly ever. I threw my uniforms away when I finally finished my 6 year stint in the U.S. Air Force in 1979. It appears there are plenty of folks out there who would desire to discredit Jesse, because he is saying things which exposes light upon activities done in the dark. You know how it is when you turn on the lights, and the cockroaches all run away in all directions. The men and activities that he is exposing are lower than bugs, and unfortunately it's going to take a very big can of "RAID" to deal with these vermin. It is said that we all reap what we have sown, and payday is coming very, very soon ! It is way to soon to judge this young man, and time will play a big role in how this comes out. The truth will be known, and the brightness of this truth will be blinding, and there will be nobody who can put out that light once it is turned on.

[Fintan]

Well, as you said: