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stallion4
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. I just got to the "Manchurian candidate" bit.
It all makes sense now 
Give me a friggin' break. Something like that would be waaaaaaaaay to unpredictable to try to pull off.
No, it wasn't a friggin' "Manchurian candidate" that took out Jr.
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nanoprobe73
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George H. Scherff, Sr = Preston Sheldon bush, murdered Nicola Tesla’s ?
George H. Scherff, Jr = George H. W. Bush murdered JFK ?
These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm
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MichaelC
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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""Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war"".
Some people think that Hitler also escaped and died, of natural causes, in Barcelona around 1950. |
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Rumpl4skn
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| stallion4 wrote: | OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. I just got to the "Manchurian candidate" bit.
It all makes sense now
Give me a friggin' break. Something like that would be waaaaaaaaay to unpredictable to try to pull off.
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Not when the consequences of failure are just "Okay, we'll try something else." Maybe Jr would have remarked he needed a different instructor, that last guy was weird and had glazed over eyes.
This isn't like a 9/11 scenario where it's a choice of either complete success or completely revealing yourself.
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pyrrho
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Fintan and forum members!
I'm new here so i'll introduce myself a little..i'm from the netherlands and was raised in a christian pro-america pro-israel environment. The city i lived in was being rebuild with help from the Marshall-plan. When i was 11 y/old they shot Kennedy. We awoke from the American Dream. I lost faith and became a truthseeker..bad for my career..
back to the topic
This story is all over the cia-fakes, like you call them..so who should i believe?
Oh, and why should i believe you're not cia-fake, Fintan?
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stallion4
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumpl4skn wrote: | | stallion4 wrote: | OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. I just got to the "Manchurian candidate" bit.
It all makes sense now
Give me a friggin' break. Something like that would be waaaaaaaaay to unpredictable to try to pull off.
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Not when the consequences of failure are just "Okay, we'll try something else." Maybe Jr would have remarked he needed a different instructor, that last guy was weird and had glazed over eyes.
This isn't like a 9/11 scenario where it's a choice of either complete success or completely revealing yourself. |
Come on man. Be honest, if it wasn't Hankey saying this you would be laughing your ass off at the idea of a "Manchurian candidate" sabotaging JFK Jr.. Try inserting Tom Flocco's name instead. This theory sounds more like something right up his alley.
The margin of error for an assassination attempt like that would be far too great. Too unpredictable. And even if this alleged co-pilot was triggered successfully into trying to crash the plane, there would have been too much risk that Jr. could have stopped and subdued the co-pilot and gotten on his radio during or after this attempt on his life to tell the world what was happening.
If anyone wanted that plane to crash they could have sabotaged it any number of 'safer' ways without using the much more unreliable method of using a "Manchurian candidate". Sorry, but I'm just not buying it.
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Rumpl4skn
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm buying it simply because nothing else makes any sense.
He was the direct opposite of a careless pilot, there are many references to him having a flight instructor that day, the radar and communications clearly show that the plane was deliberately dived into the ocean.
At this point, I believe it's either the Manchurian Candidate or alien intervention. And it's infinitely more believable than those who think 4 simultaneous hijackings ocurred on 9/11. And unfortunately there are millions of those people.
And yes... I do trust John Hanky over Tom Flocco. Enormously.
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Rumpl4skn
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| zak247 wrote: | Interesting thing going on now is that Vicent Bugliosi is peddeling a book he wrote that he claims conclusively proves that Oswald was a lone assassin.
This guy is demented, this Bugliosi, or just another MS stooge |
More accurately, he's an MSNBC stooge. And Fox. And CNN.
He's one of this limited "genius pool" that the MSM now fishes for "safe" opinions on everything regarding legality and criminality. Another is Cliff Van Zandt, the "former FBI profiler" who explains how serial killers all have the same m.o., personal hygiene habits and hairstyle. Ditto the "terrorism experts" we regularly see reinforcing the "authenticity" of the latest Bin Laden audio.
Once these clowns' cred has been established as "trusted TV authority", then they are solidified to move on to the shill books.
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stallion4
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumpl4skn wrote: | | And yes... I do trust John Hanky over Tom Flocco. Enormously. |
Speaking of Flocco
Who killed John-John?
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm
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Fintan
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Audio Part 2: Bush Snr. Murdered Jack Kennedy |
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 Bush Snr. Murdered Jack Kennedy
Part 2 of a two part interview.
Part 1: GWB Jr. Murdered JFK Jr.
Special Guest: John Hankey
A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of
George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing him beyond a reasonable
doubt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate Jack Kennedy.
Examines the roles of Bush, E. Howard Hunt, Hoover, Oswald & Nixon.
Topics Include:
E. Howard Hunt and GHW Bush..... Nixon Impeachment a CIA Coup.....
Hunt 'Confession' implicating LBJ.... Hoover and FBI JFK warning memo....
Secret service stole JFK's body.... GHWB quashed Congress investigation.....
Hunt v. Spotlight libel suit...... Hunt, the Cubans and the JFK hit.......
Hunt's Connectionsto GHWB...... GHW Bush's Meeting with Hoover......
GHW Bush's CIA Connections...... The Skull & Bones and the CIA.....
CIA Use of Oswald in Russia... Was Oswald working for Hoover?....
Broadband Mp3 Audio 
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070524a.mp3
Dialup Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070524.mp3
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hdog
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| stallion4 wrote: | OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. I just got to the "Manchurian candidate" bit.
It all makes sense now
Give me a friggin' break. Something like that would be waaaaaaaaay to unpredictable to try to pull off.
No, it wasn't a friggin' "Manchurian candidate" that took out Jr. |
It's not the crime it's the cover-up. Say JFK lost control like they said. Why did it take them so long to send a search party, why did they look every place but where the plane most likely was, why was the Pentagon involved?
Perhaps a Manchurian Candidate is not as unpredictable as one would think. It worked with RFK. |
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Rumpl4skn
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| hdog wrote: | It's not the crime it's the cover-up. Say JFK lost control like they said. Why did it take them so long to send a search party, why did they look every place but where the plane most likely was, why was the Pentagon involved?
Perhaps a Manchurian Candidate is not as unpredictable as one would think. It worked with RFK. |
Prezackly.
In my world (admittedly, pop. = me) Sirhan was a programmed killer, Mark Chapman was a programmed killer, and the Egyptian airline pilot was a programmed killer.
And those are the ones we got wind of.
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stallion4
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Those were controlled situations and if I remember correctly through the research I've seen there is no way that they pulled the trigger on RFK or Lennon. And I don't buy the whole suicide thing with the Egyptian airline pilot. I think that was staged to look like a suicide.
But I did enjoy Fintan's interview with Mr. Hankey up until the Manchurian candidate bit. 
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Friends,
I thoroughly enjoyed the depth and historical detail of John Hankey's discussion. I have to listen to it again.
As for the Manchurian candidate bit, I forget the details but Hankey went thru some deductive reasoning to get there, but it was admittedly a kinda weak link. The substantive basis for that speculation was that IF the Fuel Valve was actually turned off, as the report stated, who turned the Fuel Valve off and why? John Jr? Killed himself, his lovely (pregnant) wife and her friend on the way to an enjoyable weekend? Certainly not. A SANE instructor? No. Someone suicidal.
It's a tricky question. Also, I think Hankey noted in the video that this small Piper that John flew would have coasted, unlike a jetliner. So something made it crash, other than the fuel valve --- which just sits there laughing at us.
So HOW is more difficult, but WHO is not. Obviously the Pentagon was involved at some high level, and there's strong indications the Bush family was linked, from Bush's mysterious disappearance and everything else. There's evidence that whatever the role of Joe Kennedy with the Nazis, his family clearly did not enjoy the same level of power as the Bushes.
Given the history and background of the players, the WHYs are not so mysterious either. Adding a full body to that skeleton may take a long time, or generations, but the FLESHY skeleton itself represents a pretty powerful map of power and of evil intent.
The harder part is sorting out the substantive information from innuendo and red herrings, as usual.
Pyrrho asked:
| Quote: | This story is all over the cia-fakes, like you call them..so who should i believe?
Oh, and why should i believe you're not cia-fake, Fintan? |
Against my better judgment, I'll respond briefly to this question that has been asked dozens of times on the appropriate (sticky) thread.
THIS story is not about CIA-fakes. It's about the CIA itself, Murder, Inc., COINTEPRO, death squads, and Operation Mockingbird.
Given a diversity of viewpoints, and no map, it's hard to tell who is lying and who is honest and attempting to be honest, vs. attempting to deceive.
So you have to start with some history, and some guidelines, and have some sort of map, and compare. Many people go with the gut feeling that Alex Jones is CIA, some -- including John Hankey -- disagree or question that.
Jones panic-laden fearmongering about terror and about immigration (which mostly avoids the topic of how our IMF and World Bank and private Wall Street investment banking firms and commercial banks RAPED Latin America) would SEEM to be a strong clue that he's not playing fair and looking for scapegoats and doing provocation.
Jones association with the John Birch Society and Birchite-related figures --- and Birch leaders' association with both the CFR (Robt Welch allegedly a member) and Third Reich Nazis, Christian Right, CIA, death squads, and a privitized domestic spying operation run out of the Western Goals subsidiary corporation --- classic CIA cutout --- this map would seem to be a loud alarm bell about Jones -- particularly since he comes out so strongly against the PATRIOT Act and domestic spying, while his daddy's Birch Society did that very thing for the CIA, FBI, and NSA. (re-read that if it's not clear, or google terms like Western Goals CIA)
Jones disses Falwell/Robertson, etc., but he hosts guests who are part of that same right wing reactionary cult and CIA ops, of the Council for National Policy.
Setting that aside, Jones just comes off as a somewhat reactionary paleo-con good old boy. But it's a lot to set aside.
Other people, as I said, is a judgment call based on CONTENT. If you don't like Fintan's content, and you think what he presents is false red-herring stuff and misleading disinfo, then he must be a CIA-fake dissident too. The info I've picked up out of history so far don't lead me to these conclusions. (If pyrrho is an "inch-deep" conspiracy hobbyist, it's easy to feel the confusion.)
However WE, collectively, serve the role of his "crack research team" so to speak, each contributing ideas and debates and skepticism and some counter-skepticism, so maybe we're all fakes or brainwashed too. I think not, because we tend to be more EXPANSIVE than other forums like that UK911 forum someone found, and we TEND not to diverge too deeply into what for want of a better word I'll call "magjick". At least I, for one, have noted that The Illuminati and Satan do not have addresses or phone numbers, whereas Rockefeller's Tri-Lateral Commission does. (Good call for Hankey on the Dulles/Kissinger parallel as head-of-Commission to investigate.) At least I, for one, note that "the Jews" are not a monolithic bloc, even my own immediate family has had it's schisms, and even the Jews of Israel are not of a single mind. Many of them truly want peace with their neighbors.
Nor are even CIA or the Mossad monolithic. Obviously there are secret teams and "special projects" within. However the reaction of the ENTIRE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA to the Kennedy assassination is certainly telling. And the fact that those who represented Oswald as the Lone Gunman and ridiculed counter-evidence are the same people who count the votes.
Most of us don't engage in pointless gay bashing. I'm with Barney Frank on this: Frank's blunt stance on outing certain gay Republicans has become well-publicized, dubbed "The Frank Rule" — that it is acceptable to out a closeted gay person, if that person uses their power or notoriety to hurt gay people. Such as people like Ernst Rohm, Hitler, Tom Foley, Jeff Gannon, and other fascists and hypocrites.
I started a topic on Right Woos Left. I mentioned in another topic that altho there's some fakeness in the right-left paradigm, especially the Dem-Repug paradigm, it's still the case that Free Republic loves to celebrate police cracking heads of anyone who protests against Bush or the authorities, even international bankers, and love to diss people who dress funny and wants them arrested. I have a hard time believing that other people who associate with this type of reactionaries are truly intent on promoting freedom from oppression. (Unless it's their vision of freedom from oppression of "sinners" they intend to eliminate.)
So I believe that MOST of the "Patriot" movement, especially that with connections to Birch and CNP, are fake and people who build up unnecessarily elaborate conspiracy tales that go off on implausible tangents (like Hopsicker exposing CIA fronts and then blaming the Saudis and Mohammed Atta) must also be fakes.
That's my standard. Pyrrho, what's yours? Or was that just drive-by trolling? |
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pyrrho
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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I didnt expect to offend anyone by asking the obvious qeustions. Now i'm even doubting if it's appropriate to post a reply. Look, i like theories but i prefer facts. I know that the powers that be will do anything to consolidate that power. That is a fact. How they do that is visible most of the time, but how they fight their dirty little wars is something we can only guess. I'm not a fulltime conspiracy hobbyist, but i tend to distrust any information that cannot be checked (by me).
Peace. 
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