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insanitywetrust
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related to this whole thread
i respect and Love everyone equally.... including them, the designers of this whole snow job scene, con job, whatever...
why? because of my beliefs, and mainly because i see they have never been allowed, for whatever reasons, they have had their lives stolen, because of Many intergenerational abuses....
yet, i will never, ever respect those who willingly, gleefully, and Knowingly abuse others, on Any level of human existence, Period....
I will still love them, enough to let them dry out somewhere, preferably in a hot and sweaty area, maybe even in tents, provide them with shade, water, and enough decent food to live out their lives, amongst their own kinds, and Never let them go, until they pass away....
of course, this was mentioned in a wonderful group, at yahoo groups, and yet, some disagree.... indigo-adults.... and i am so aware now, of so much mis truth, half truth. outright lies, and more, and because without our free way to talk to anyone about real stuff, not shit stuff.... even if these 'shit' stuffs are personal opinions, but, let those 'old buggers' die off, provided they can never do this shit to anyone ever again
yeh, i might have too many big ideas in me skull, yet... there are Plenty of others, who are waiting, and waiting, and sure enough, they have have had their inch, and they have not only taken the bait, they took it Hook, Line and Sinker.....
damn good to be alive and well, sure hoping it gets better for the rest of the future generations, and maybe we can truly all live as one in perfect harmony
thanks john lennon
i can imagine too
but i ain't sellin out
cause i would love to see other families, have their chance to have their children, Born Free
also, at yahoo groups, check out unschoolin spirituality
the right way... we live on a planet, and for want of a better term
gaia is large and in charge
just getting tired of losin fellow peaceful warriors
semper fi
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| Veronica wrote: | Interesting avatar, bornfree.
You do know what Obama is, and that he is Constitutionally disqualified as a POTUS, don't you?
Hawaii is not a State. It is a forcefully-occupied US Territory invaded & subjugated. Just like the American Sector when Berlin was divided. Or Afghanistan. Or Iraq.
Obama is, therefore, not "natural born" as the Constitution specifies a POTUS must be. McCain is disqualified as well (born in Panama Canal Zone) |
How a child born to US Citizens are not themselves US Citizens makes no sense to me. Surely McCains parents were US Citizenn, yes?
Though I've been through eight years of an occupied White House with an asshole who was born on US soil and he doesn't seem to care about the united States of America regardless of his physical place of birth.
Furthermore, among the current choices of puppets I'm voting for Obama because I have close relatives who are Nazis and Obama scares the shit out of them. So there's that.
We can also insist Obama live up to his hype if we can muster the will as the Irish have done. McCain just says he's gonna give us more of the same.
The Irish vote can be used for further good. When someone tells you 'you can't fight city hall and win" shove the example of the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty in their face.
we shall overcome.
PS
I love Rev. Wright. Here's a great speech in four parts
Reverend Wright Speech NAACP Detroit Pt.1/4
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France's Lagarde: difficult to implement Lisbon treaty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7587247
* Reuters
* , Sunday June 15 2008
(Adds Almunia's comments in paras 5-6)
JEJU, South Korea, June 15 (Reuters) - France's finance minister has strong hopes that the European Union will soon have another treaty on reforms to replace one rejected by Irish voters.
"We will certainly go through an indepth analysis of what took place and what did not take place," French Economy Minister Christine Lagarde told a seminar on Asian integration in South Korea on Sunday.
She said implementing the Lisbon Treaty was "going to be difficult".
Irish voters on Friday rejected the treaty to overhaul the European Union's unwieldy institutions, putting the entire bloc's reform plan in peril and humiliating Ireland's political leaders.
But Joaquin Almunia, EU Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner, later played down the impact from the vote results on the overall bloc.
Asked on the sidelines of the meeting in South Korea whether the vote results were undermining confidence in the bloc, Almunia said: "No, not at all," without elaborating.
The pact, known as the Lisbon treaty, failed by a margin of 53.4 to 46.6 percent in the only EU country to put it to a popular vote.
But just as the Lisbon treaty was drafted after France and the Netherlands rejected the previous treaty, Lagarde said she was "absolutely certain" there would be another Lisbon or some other agreement on reforms.
"We Europeans believe that it is either all of us or none of us," she said.
The treaty was an effort to resurrect EU reforms that were torpedoed by French and Dutch voters in 2005.
This time all countries but Ireland avoided a referendum. The "No" vote means a country with fewer than 1 percent of the EU's 490 million population could doom a treaty painstakingly negotiated by all 27 member states.
The treaty envisages a long-term president of the European Council of EU leaders, a stronger foreign policy chief and a mutual defence pact. It was due to take effect on Jan. 1, but cannot come into force if a single member fails to ratify it. (Reporting by Vidya Ranganathan and Yoo Choonsik, editing by Elizabeth Fullerton)
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Avoided?
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atm
thanks for that short blast from my past
i used to be into heavy metal....
i was shown from my big bro (blood brother)
a website with lyrics, from all bands
from all genres, from all them musicians
and without musical background
True Poetry, right from the heart
and yet, i can only listen to the music now
like jazz, blues, and of course, my personal fav
trance, old skool trance
research a european trance dj
dj emeriq
he gives away, on his website, his music,
free, no p2p ware, just right clik and save
also, some other fav dj's
dj aaron mossey - cdn
dj awol -- london uk
hai lee chen -- new york city
and yeh, them lyrics, always them lyrics
true, honest poetry, from the heart
and long live freedom for everyone
oh and happy fadda's day
anyone else here remember from the 70's
hello mudda, hello fadda
here i am in camp granada.....
oh and age yourself
is it live, or is it memorex?
muahahahaha
and hey, folks, this might be off this thread topic, but sheeit man, we are all workin so damn hard, lets vote politically on our choices, yes, power to the people....
i prefer my wallet power 
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I personally have always had an uneasy feeling about the E.U. going back to 1995 when Harvey Goldsmith started his anti E.U. stance/party in the U.K,and 13 years later armed with lots of knowledge,i now know that it is 1/5 of a power block of pure evil 
Well done to the Irish for voting NO i hope means as much as it seems to
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Trubble at Mill.
Looks like the elites are conflustered and
confounded as to how in hell to handle this:
| Quote: | Split emerges in EU after Irish rejection of Lisbon Treaty
By Stephen Castle and Judy Dempsey - June 15, 2008
LONDON: After Ireland's rejection of the Lisbon Treaty, a split began to emerge Sunday in European capitals over whether to press Dublin to hold another vote - with an implicit threat to consign the Irish to an outer tier of the European Union should they say no again.
Wolfgang Schäuble, the German interior minister, said there was clear support for "the continuation of the process of European unification" and proposed going even further, by creating direct elections to the job of president of the European Commission, one of the most powerful positions in the 27-member bloc.
"Of course we have to take the Irish referendum seriously," Schäuble said in an interview with the German newspaper, Welt am Sonntag. "But a few million Irish cannot decide on behalf of 495 million Europeans."
But Britain made it clear that, while it will continue to ratify the Lisbon Treaty, it will not attempt to isolate the Irish or force them to vote again if Dublin believed the result would be another no.
"There is no question of bulldozing or bamboozling or ignoring the Irish vote," David Miliband the British foreign secretary, said on BBC television. "The rules are absolutely clear. If all 27 countries do not pass the Lisbon Treaty it cannot pass into law."
Miliband added that a "two tier" Europe - with some countries pressing ahead with greater integration and others being left behind - was not "in our interests or going to happen."
Miliband's comments reflected worries that the fallout from the Irish no vote could ultimately lead to a schism in the bloc between those committed to closer integration and an outer tier, which would probably include the British.
Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker of Luxembourg warned over the weekend that a group of like-minded states could form their own "Club of the Few" to advance joint policies.
A no vote in a second Irish referendum could prompt calls for a new union of more committed European Union states.
Schäuble's comments before a meeting of EU foreign ministers on Monday illustrated how Germany and France were determined to press ahead with European integration despite Ireland's rejection of the treaty in the referendum - 53.4 percent voted against the treaty.
"I would be in favor of us voting one day in a European election for the president of the European Commission, the leading person in Europe in the future," Schäuble said. He did not say how such an agreement could be achieved. It would almost certainly require a change in the treaty.
With France about to take over the union's rotating presidency, Paris and Berlin have called for the remaining member states to ratify the Lisbon Treaty.
If Ireland were the only nation not to ratify it, Dublin could face massive pressure to vote again, after negotiating some face-saving concessions. Eighteen nations have approved the treaty.
In Brussels, officials have speculated about a possible concession to Ireland to allow it to organize another vote. That might be a guarantee that Ireland would not lose its automatic right to send a representative to the European Commission, the EU's executive.
Prime Minister Brian Cowen of Ireland will have to explain his position at a summit meeting in Brussels on Thursday, where other EU leaders will press him to come up with a solution. He acknowledged that Ireland faced the risk that other EU states would draft new rules that would exclude the Irish from at least some new arrangements.
Other EU leaders, he said, might ultimately decide that Ireland must "redefine its relationship to Europe."
"I want to avoid that situation," he said, The Associated Press reported.
Although the Irish vote has prompted some pro-Europeans to call for a two-speed bloc, such an outcome would be difficult to achieve legally in the short term because institutional changes require unanimous support.
"It doesn't change the reality," an EU official close to the discussions said on condition of anonymity. "The treaty is very clear - you need unanimity. You have to get the Irish to vote again and if Cowen says he can't, I don't see 26 countries who would want to isolate him. I don't think the Czechs, Poles, British, Swedes and Danes would follow that line."
The Lisbon Treaty would set up a full-time president of the European Council, where EU leaders meet, and create a more powerful foreign policy chief. But neither of those measures could be implemented without ratification and moves to set up a new diplomatic service would be difficult to introduce without facing a legal challenge.
One drastic solution would be for a hard core of integrationist EU states to set up a new union, or inner core, with the Lisbon Treaty as its basic legal document. But with Ireland part of the euro, the most likely course may be to put the treaty on ice until Croatia joins the union at some point after 2010.
At that point, a new treaty reviving the contents of the Lisbon agreement could be drawn up alongside the one that will be needed to admit Croatia to the bloc.
Any referendums that took place would be portrayed as votes on whether or not to admit a nation that was part of the Balkan conflicts of the 1990s, giving yes campaigners an argument to motivate their voters.
Charles Grant, director of the Center for European Reform, said that if the Irish held a second poll and again voted no some pro-European nations would push for a new grouping of EU-enthusiasts, with skeptics such as Ireland and Britain being consigned to an outer tier.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/15/europe/union.php |
| Quote: | How can our No vote mean nothing to European leaders?
Niel O'Brien - The Sunday Times - June 15, 2008
Irish voters sent a clear message to Brussels last week: we won’t be bullied into “ever closer union”. And if you had any doubts that voting against the Lisbon treaty was the right decision, then the reaction following Thursday’s vote should have put those to rest. From the moment it became clear that the No campaign was going to win, Europe’s political elite has been parading in front of the TV cameras to assure anyone who will listen that they won’t be influenced by the Irish decision.
Ireland only voted, they claim, because the people are “xenophobic”. That’s a polite word for racism. Oh yes, neither did the Irish know what they were doing. Another slur, but one that we should be getting used to by now.
There is a determination in Brussels to carry on as if nothing has happened. In total defiance of the wishes of the Irish people, Germany and France have jointly called for the ratification process around Europe to continue. Britain is in on the act, too. Gordon Brown phoned Nicolas Sarkozy on Friday to promise that Britain would still ratify the treaty.
The Dutch prime minister has also called for ratification to proceed. Maybe I’m missing something, but didn’t two-thirds of his own people vote against the treaty? The president of the commission, Jose Barroso, said in reaction to the No vote: “The treaty is not dead. The treaty is alive, and we will try to work to find a solution.” With that kind of reaction, you begin to wonder why Ireland was allowed a vote at all.
One reason why the Euro elite is so upset is that they threw everything at winning this vote. The Irish government and its enormous group of Yes campaigners used every trick in the book to try and convince voters to accept the reheated EU constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters three years ago.
From suggesting that taxi drivers should be banned from putting “I’m voting No” stickers on their bumpers, to empty promises to farmers about a nonexistent power to veto the world trade talks, the government pulled out all the stops. But voters saw through the Yes campaign’s flimsy case.
In the Brussels bubble the discussion now is all about how to force-feed the country a treaty that it says it doesn’t want. After all, the wheels have already been set in motion. There are big empty offices in Brussels waiting for the new EU leaders to take up their posts. A little country like Ireland can’t be allowed to get in the way.
One option being discussed by Eurocrats is to repeat their Nice treaty tactics, a second referendum following some kind of phoney special “declaration” for Ireland. This is unlikely to work. Nobody can seriously expect Ireland to vote again. You can only reheat the same meal so many times without running a serious risk of food poisoning.
In 2001, the government said the 35% turnout for the original Nice Treaty vote wasn’t decisive enough and therefore another vote was needed. That definitely won’t wash this time with the turnout at over 53%.
Another Euro plan is to repeat the same farce that followed the French and Dutch rejections. This involved going away for a while and coming back with a rebranded treaty, but maintaining almost all its original content. No doubt it would come back with a cunning new name too: how about the Treaty of Dublin?
Neither possibility should happen. No is no — how complicated is that? In order to save itself from total democratic meltdown Europe needs to get back to square one. It’s not that difficult either. They only have to revive the Laeken Declaration of 2000, in which EU leaders acknowledged there was a gaping hole between the people and the politicians. The declaration said that it was time to start thinking about bringing powers back to the member states.
Unfortunately, that whole idea fell flat on its face when Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, the former French president, was put in charge of turning these goals into reality. Instead of returning powers back to member states, he drew up a European constitution that transferred even more powers to the EU.
Despite what the political class are saying, this really was a vote against deeper integration. The polls show that the top reasons for voting No were not an unpopular government, worries about tax or concerns about abortion laws. People didn’t like the treaty itself and didn’t want further powers to move to the European centre.
The No vote is not the end of the story — it’s the start of a new battle. It looks like the Eurocrats are learning the wrong lesson. They think the No vote shows that in future the public must be cut out of the process entirely. Andrew Duff, a federalist British MEP, said it was a “mad idea” to hold a referendum at all.
This week at the European Council a coalition of small countries — Ireland, the Czech Republic, maybe Denmark or Sweden — will call for the treaty to be dropped. But they will come under intense pressure from the big members to carry on regardless.
Britain is now making noises about backing Ireland but may yet end up in the posse calling for the treaty to go ahead. Having denied the British people a referendum on the text, Brown is intensely embarrassed by the Irish vote. Like a man caught with his pants down, the prime minister plans to hurry the treaty through the House of Commons.
But he is already coming under enormous pressure to either halt the whole process, or call a referendum and let the people decide. He may have crumbled before next weekend. Other European leaders may also be forced to listen to their voters soon.
That meeting in Brussels this week will be a decisive moment. Coming just a couple of weeks before France is due to take over the rotating sixth-month EU council presidency (during which it had planned to ramp up moves towards EU integration), the meeting will be Ireland’s one chance to call a stop to the process of ratification and make Europe listen.
Given last week’s vote it would be nothing short of outrageous if politicians try to ignore the Irish referendum. But that is exactly what they plan to do. The Italian president has already said so: “It is unthinkable that the decision of half the voters of a country that represents less than 1% of the EU can stop the reform process.” The Belgian prime minister agrees: “We need to assure in any case the entry into force of the treaty.”
Watching the reaction to the No votes, you wonder if Europe isn’t set to have its own Ceausescu moment. Remember that? As the Soviet Union began to fall apart, the Romanian dictator made a speech to a great crowd as he had done for decades. But for the first time the people began to boo and hiss. In response, party officials played loud canned applause over the sound from huge loudspeakers. But the people began to boo and hiss even louder. Finally — baffled that his loyal citizens should have turned on him so suddenly — Ceausescu turned and fled.
Of course he should have seen it coming. But he couldn’t because he had lived in a bubble for years, ignoring the problems his country faced and listening only to yes-men who told him what a great job he was doing.
The EU is not the USSR, but the Brussels bubble is rather similar insofar as the people who work in it can’t understand why the people are not blissfully happy with their wonderful achievements. They are about to get a rude awakening. This time No really does mean No.
Neil O’Brien is director of Open Europe
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article4139466.ece |
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| Quote: | Andreas Whittam Smith:
Irish voters have stated the truth for all of us
The countries outside the eurozone have done better than those inside
Monday, 16 June 2008
Ireland is in danger of being bullied. The big boys planning the assault are France and Germany. That is the plain meaning of the statement they issued on Friday in response to the news that Irish voters had rejected the Lisbon Treaty designed to streamline the European Union.
The two countries urged that the small number of member states that had not yet completed their processes of ratification should do so - even though, strictly speaking, without unanimous backing the treaty cannot come into force. The circumstances which France and Germany are trying to create are those in which 26 out of 27 member countries accept the treaty and only tiny Ireland, four million people out of 450 million, the one state to have submitted the new arrangements to a referendum, holds out.
The desired scene would resemble a skyscraper city in which, bizarrely, one old building has survived and you wonder how long it can last until it, too, is replaced by an office block. How would the pressure be applied? I discount the notion that Ireland could be offered one or two special "opt-outs" from the treaty clauses and asked to vote again. The Irish exceptions could not amount to much, otherwise the balance of the treaty would be upset. Nor would it be a particularly democratic thing to do, seeing that participation in the referendum vote was at a respectable level.
In effect, European leaders would be saying to Ireland, "look, you have made a mistake and here is a face-saving way of getting out of the mess you have created". That sounds like exactly the wrong thing to say to any European electorate.
Instead, if France and Germany were to have their way, the Irish might be asked to proceed with the elements of the treaty that do not require a referendum and opt out of those which do. Then the other 26 members would proceed along their path and leave Ireland tagging along behind as a sort of associate member. The country would lose influence as a result.
Big countries can opt out of this and that and yet still retain the leverage they require. This benefit isn't available for small countries. It would be an unpleasant prospect. Or, worse still, if everybody else signs up, then Ireland could be asked to leave the European Union.
In all this, the attitude of Britain will be crucial. If we were to side with France and Germany, Ireland's fate would be sealed. If not, not.
The Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, has said that the few remaining stages of our process of ratification will be completed. However, I do not think that this has much significance. We will do what we have promised to do, but make no commitment as to what would happen after that. In fact, I think it unlikely that we would join others in bringing pressure to bear on our Irish neighbour.
The Prime Minister knows very well that a referendum would also have been lost if the British had been offered one. Moreover, Irish attitudes to the notion of a European entity are like our own.
A recent Eurobarometer survey asked Irish people, "In the near future, do you see yourself as Irish only, Irish and European, European and Irish, or European only?". Some 59 per cent - second only to Britain and followed by the three Baltic states - rejected the proffered degrees of European identity and opted for an exclusive Irish identity. Thus British pressure on Ireland would appear as the ultimate example of British hypocrisy. It won't happen.
However, even when the Lisbon Treaty is finally declared null and void, as it must eventually be, there will surface an old idea that would put Britain, as well as Ireland, into the same, undesirable place - a Europe of two speeds, an inner group which combines more tightly together and an outer group, Britain and Ireland included, which continues to use the European Union as essentially a free-trade area and gets nothing else out of it.
This is usually put forward on the footing that the inner ring countries would be treated as first-class members and the outer ring as second-class. But the way that the eurozone, with its common currency, the euro, has developed with the rest of us outside, retaining our economic independence, shows how bogus is the two-speed argument. For the countries outside the eurozone have done better than those inside, while the inner group grows ever more restive with its arrangements.
In its way, then, the Irish vote will prove to have been historic. The Irish will not be bullied into submission. The present arrangements for the European Union, with all their imperfections, will endure. Only one people has spoken, but it is likely that the Irish have stated the matter for all of us.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/andreas-whittam-smith/andreas-whittam-smith-irish-voters-have-stated-the-truth-for-all-of-us-847897.html |
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| Quote: | McCreevy says Ireland must not be bullied by EU
Monday June 16 2008
[Irish] EU Commissioner Charlie McCreevy says there is no question of Ireland being bullied by the EU into holding a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
Speaking in Dublin today, he also dismissed speculation that the other 26 EU member states will ratify the treaty and leave Ireland behind.
Mr McCreevy said it would be an outrage if the other member states did not accept the decision of the Irish people, but he said he believed they would respect the Irish outcome.
He also said he strongly suspected that other EU member states would have rejected the treaty if it was put to a vote.
Foreign Affairs Minister Michael Martin, meanwhile, says he will be telling his EU colleagues today that Ireland needs time to reflect on the vote and discuss the way forward.
Speaking in Luxembourg ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers, he said Europe must respect the voice of the Irish people.
However, he said Ireland was in uncharted territory and the challenges and the difficulties that lie ahead should not be underestimated.
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/mccreevy-says-ireland-must-not-be-bullied-by-eu-1411402.html
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| This sends wonderful chills down my very spine, this is such wonderful and great news. For the world to see firsthand what happens with people speak their minds and hearts. Indeed a true and shining example of Democracy. If only america (in general) would look beyond the clusterfu*k of garbage and disinfo and beyond their own media..... |
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Special Guest: Jo Conrad http://www.joconrad.de http://www.secret.tv
Join Fintan Dunne, Kathy McMahon and Jo Conrad as we discuss
the dire consequences for the Globalist NWO of the Irish NO vote to
the EU Lisbon Treaty - which would have set up the EU SuperState.
Ireland's 'No' came despite support for the Treaty from virtually the
entire Irish political establishment, all leading business and industrial
organizations, the trade union movement, farming associations and
the mainstream media. And the Genie is now out of of the bottle!
Nothing can now conceal the clear division between the people
and their politicians. If there was true democratic support then why
the reluctance to grant the people their simple democratic referenda?
That's the question the people of Europe will be asking themselves.
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| Quote: | The centre of gravity in Brussels shifted
June 13, 2008 - by Andrew Bounds
The moment Dermot Ahern, Irish justice minister, conceded that defeat
was inevitable yesterday lunchtime the action in Brussels, shifted from
the Berlaymont, the 13-storey star-shaped home of the European
Commission, to a scruffy Irish bar on the other side of the street.
No campaign activists clustered in the shadow of the ‘Berlaymonster” they
loathe, to celebrate the Irish rejection of the Lisbon treaty. It felt as
though they had been joined in Kitty O’Shea’s by almost every reporter
and camera crew in town. Even supporters of the Yes campaign were
drawn to Kitty O’Shea’s in order to find a journalist to give their views to.
With a pint (sorry half-litre), of Guinness in one hand, Nigel Farage,
leader of the eurosceptic UK Independence party, accosted Andrew Duff,
the British Liberal MEP who had played a role in drafting the original
constitution. Would he accept defeat, Mr Farage demanded? Certainly not
to him, was the riposte, before Mr Duff stomped off to address the waiting
microphones.
It was as raw as genteel Brussels gets. “We keep asking the people and
they keep saying No,” whooped Mr Farage - or, as another supporter of
the No vote put it: “three out of three isn’t bad”.
After the Dutch and French rejection of the constitution that forced
Brussels back to spend “a period of reflection” before going back to the
drawing board to draw up the Lisbon Treaty, there was a sense of déjà
vu. But this blow may be harder for Brussels to recover from. As each No
result was displayed on the pub’s big screen TV a cheer went up. But the
biggest roar was reserved for the appearance of MEP Kathy Sinnott, at
the Cork count. The independent Brussels politician who was one of only
two MEP to oppose the treaty. Her son was in the pub audience.
Joady Sinnott, 35, works for his mum and said: “This vote was not anti-
Europe. The Irish love Europe. But if it is going to get more powers it has
to get more democratic.” Gerard MaCarthy, an Irish waiter at the pub,
disagreed. “I would have voted yes,” he said. “The Irish should
remember all the money we got for infrastructure. It was only 60 years
ago that Europe was at war. We should try to improve it not reject it.”
Waiting for some word, any word, from the Commission - protocol
decreed that Irish leaders speak first - diplomats huddle in corners
plotting the future.
“There are a couple of ways forward,” joked one. “We could wait for
climate change to drown Ireland or, since it’s halfway across the Atlantic
anyway, tell them to join Nafta.”
http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/2008/06/the-centre-of-gravity-in-brussels-shifted/ |
| Quote: | Britain ratifies EU Treaty
25 minutes ago
Britain has become the 19th European Union country to ratify the
Lisbon Treaty without a referendum, after the EU Amendment Bill
completed its passage through Parliament.
A last-ditch Conservative attempt to delay ratification until the autumn
was voted down in the House of Lords by a margin of 93, and peers later
gave the Bill its third reading without a vote. Royal Assent is expected to
follow within 24 hours.
Parliamentary ratification came on the eve of an EU summit in Brussels
expected to be dominated by Ireland's rejection of the Treaty in last
week's referendum.
Irish PM Brian Cowen is expected to ask for more time to consider his
country's response to the 'No' vote, which threatens to prevent next
year's planned implementation of the Treaty's reforms, including a full-
time EU president and foreign minister.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said that the Treaty cannot come into
force unless it is ratified in all 27 EU states.
On his way to the Brussels summit, he will hold talks in Paris with French
President Nicolas Sarkozy, who will inherit the headache over how to deal
with the Irish vote when he takes over the EU's six-month rotating
presidency in July.
At Prime Minister's Questions in the Commons, Mr Brown brushed off a
demand from Conservative leader David Cameron to accept that
Ireland's verdict has killed off the Treaty, which replaces the constitution
rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005.
"We respect the decision of the Irish. They have asked to have more time
to discuss what their proposals will be to deal with this situation," Mr
Brown told MPs.
"They have not suggested either that they wish to postpone the
ratification of the Lisbon Treaty for other countries or that they wish to
stall the whole process."
But Mr Cameron accused Mr Brown and other European leaders of trying
to pressurise Dublin into a second referendum to reverse the result. As
the row escalated, the Opposition leader told Mr Brown: "I've seen
more spine and leadership from a bunch of jellyfish."
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gkplvjCa8wcTVFBHEbk9et6o1Yxg |
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Treaty upset raises tempers in EU parliament
18/06 19:26 CET
A handful of Eurosceptic members of the European Parliament, mostly from Britain, wore green T-shirts saying “Respect the Irish vote”. UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage said in the assembly: “President, nobody else has said it, but I will: well done the Irish! The ratifications should stop now.”
Yet Socialist leader Martin Schulz spoke passionately in Europe’s favour. “Don’t be drowned out by that lot,” he said. Schulz also lambasted Irish European Commissioner Charlie McCreevy. He laid into the man’s boss, Jose Manuel Baroso, who was taking part in a debate with MEPs.
Schulz shouted: “This man, responsible for the Internal Market in your commission, tells the people, ‘I haven’t read the Lisbon Treaty. It’s not really necessary!’ How can you build confidence with that sort of behaviour?!”
Schulz continued, suggesting that Council ministers might be less free to blame EU ‘disasters’ on Brussels if their debates were not held behind closed doors.
http://www.euronews.net/en/article/18/06/2008/treaty-upset-raises-tempers-in-eu-parliament/
Pro-Europeans have lost passion
Head of the Socialists, German MEP Martin Schultz, said that the events in Ireland show that pro-Europeans have fallen behind in showing support for the EU project.
"Anti-Europe camp has got a soul," he said, adding that what used to
be "passion" for Europe at the earlier stages of EU integration has "now
emigrated to the other camp."
Mr Barroso blamed national governments for tending to treat Europe and EU institutions as "convenient scapegoats" for negative developments, which he said "leaves fertile grounds for populist policies."
But he defended Irish commissioner Charlie McCreevy who had been criticised by Mr Schulz for widely proclaiming that he had not read the Lisbon treaty.
Mr Barroso said that while he viewed his colleague's comments on his lack of knowledge of Lisbon Treaty as "not particularly fortunate", Mr McCreevy should not be singled out for criticism.
"It would not be a good way to foster a good dialogue with our Irish friends," said Mr Barroso, pointing out that the document was backed by Mr McCreevy's constituency in Ireland, where he personally went to promote it.
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Another fine audio, pointing to a topic that has global ramifications but not getting the media coverage it desperately needs ... smilie_finger1.gif to the NWO and it's sales representatives!
Just a FYI for all of you good folks ... please send a few bucks to the BFN project and buy everything from Neemwell while you still can, it's worth every penny for the healing both mentally and physically. We collectively still have a lot of work to do. A world without BFN and Neemwell would be a world that ... in a word ... sucks.
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All I'm going to say, is that the NO was on such a tiny margin and is not such a great victory. The gap in dissent can be moved either way up or down; it is to be hoped that it will be seized upon to forge a wider gulf between the people and those who deem it their divine right to rule. The EU Treaty was a 'done deal' after WW11 and that's why there is so much reluctance to hold open referendums. Those already held are, I would suggest, merely 'testing grounds' of how much more propaganda needs to be implemented before landslide consent is gained. The game of politics and trust in the process of politics will ensure that those powers setting up the parameters of the game will always be empowered to move the pawns into checkmate.
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| Quote: | DaftAida: All I'm going to say, is that the NO was
on such a tiny margin and is not such a great victory. |
WTF?? It was a huge victory which has the bEurocrats
running around in circles like headless chickens, and has reignited
opposition to the EU SuperState across Europe. Disappointing, I know
to the defeatist mindset that prefers to sit on it's ass and bitch about
the NWO --instead of DOING something about it. Get used to it.
Meanwhile, the PTB move quickly to try squelch the peasants revolt:
| Quote: | MEPs to strip Eurosceptics of cash and influence
By Bruno Waterfield in Brussels 27/05/2008
Plans to eliminate Eurosceptics as an organised opposition within the
European Parliament are expected to be agreed by a majority of
MEPs this summer.
They will vote to change the rules governing the political groupings
formed by MEPs, which can be eligible for lavish funding.
Current rules allow 20 MEPs from a fifth of the EU's member states to
form a grouping, giving them a say in the parliament's administration
and power structure.
Under the changes, the threshold would become 30 MEPs from one
quarter of the EU's member states.
Richard Corbett, a British Labour MEP, is leading the campaign to cut the
number of groups in the Parliament next year.
The move would dissolve the pan-European Eurosceptic "Independence
and Democracy" grouping, which includes the UK Independence Party.
The result would be that the largest and pro-EU groups would tighten their
grip on the parliament's political agenda.
"It would prevent single-issue politicians from being given undue support
from the public purse," said Mr Corbett.
His proposals would also give the president of the parliament sweeping
powers to approve or reject parliamentary questions.
Nigel Farage, the leader of the UKIP, said that the move went hand in
hand with the denial of popular votes on the new EU Treaty.
"Welcome to your future. This shows an EU mindset that is arrogant,
anti-democratic and frankly scary," he said.....
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