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Hombre
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 939
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Hawkwind: some people take 9-11 very seriously, they despise jokes, and the smug attitude of some who claim to be after the truth.
You're kind of like the Pot calling the Kettle black in that regard. I made a joke about partners, that's what those two are, partners. Did that bell go un-rung?
It Wasn't a joke, or clever little hint about how dumb someone is for NOT agreeing with each and every single thing put down by people working in the area called 9-11. That's written or implied!
Smug smart ass attitudes sometimes get shoved down a persons throat, I've seen it a few times in the past. There's several ways to do it, most common today is the pink slip, while in the past in some cases it my well have involved an invitation to step outside. I guess we've become somewhat civilized. I served you a softball, I'm somewhat disappointed that you didn't call me a name.
And Hawk--I don't have an f,ing agenda. I'm much too busy to piss around with such foolishness.
What evidence do I have to refute Fintan's research? Kind of like this Hawk:
All of those who saw a Plane are correct, I mean they have to be because they were an eyewitness, yet all of those who say they didn't see a Plane, despite being same ( said) eyewitness are nuts, or lying, or loopy, or crazy, or.... obviously that's just one example.
I guess we could point to the endless unanswered questions as another. Rest assured I've nothing against Mr Dunne whatsoever, he's done fine work in certain areas, But his fear mongering in regard to the BP thing was uncalled for.
Anyone with half a brain easily understood the severity of the disaster/accident---Very very unprofessional to pound the drum like the world was coming to an end, and do so on a daily basis. The Clown form Maine was the straw that broke the Camel's back. You know the guy who's heart just up and quite on him.
No doubt there was a hint of it being foul play due to his EXPERTISE in the Oil patch, and it was no mistake that it was quickly mentioned on the various fear-mongering sites around the web as being a BP hit. The only problem---it was bullshit. Anyway I've drifted out to sea a bit, my emotions have gotten the best of me--so.
Pretty simple stuff-you can have all the expertise in the world, do all the research you want to, but if you continue to ignore basic everyday commons sense, or ignore simple questions on a regular basis, at the end of the day you've really done nothing. All you've accomplished is the very thing that you seem to accuse everyone else of doing when it comes to 9-11. Fostering or pushing an agenda.
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Hombre
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Here:
another dumb question.
Please Explain this photo? Is this an obvious sales pitch or have I gone loopy? Who in their right mind would have a card printed up and ready to go in advance, one that explains the debris in detail? lol How f,ing dumb do you think people really are?
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bri

Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2372 Location: Capacious Creek
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I've got faith. Keep it up, you know who you are...
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Hombre
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Crickets
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Fintan Site Admin

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4215
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to introduce an analysis of the WTC Towers collapses
which seems to explain what is going on better than either the
NIST version or some wilder 9/11 Truth ideas......
It's called ROOSD :
The Runaway OOS Destruction Collapse Model,
and you can read about the model at the hyperlink above.
It's about the destruction of the open floor pans which
are the ties holding the outer facade to the inner core.
I'm going to give you the fast Executive Briefing version of it:
"OOS means Open Office Space flooring. It is the flooring which was
outside the core and connected the core to the perimeter walls.
This collapse model can explain this interesting fact about the rubble:
| Quote: | | The overwhelming majority of core and perimeter columns within the rubble were found relatively straight, showing no evidence whatsoever of having been buckled. The almost complete absence of column buckling is a vital clue to the true collapse progression mechanism, though the NIST and Dr Bazant seem oblivious to this this fact, not having mentioned it once in Bazant and Zhao, Bazant and Verdure or Bazant and Le. |
This is where ROOSD comes in to explain how
a downwave of floor destruction unzipped the Towers.
(Not floor pancaking. Floor destruction.)
And the lack of buckling is explained like this:
| Quote: | There is no multiple series of column buckling, one after another in succession down the towers. Each core column and each perimeter wall buckles (or is "manually displaced") only once, during the initial failure. After that the upper column component simply bypasses the lower.
Core columns act as breakable spears, breakable at welds every 3 floors. Core columns are like "matchsticks" (just as they are found in the rubble). Not crushable.
Perimeter columns act as 2 dimensional sheets. No buckling (just as they are found in the rubble). Not crushable.
Concrete floor slabs are strong but crushable.
Core: Both upper and lower block core columns act as spears vs flooring. They have breakable bolt or weld connections every three floors and that is how they become "rubblized". When these connections break they join the rubblized debris as unbuckled, very straight 36 ft segments, just as we see by the hundreds in the rubble.
Perimeter: Once separated by buckling or "kicked-out" by human intervention, they become displaced sheets, the upper moving either inside or outside the lower, never to make end to end contact again. Once again, successive buckling never enters the picture or the equations of motion. |
This idea has a lot going for it.
I will dig into it some more..... _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open. |
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MichaelC

Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 1895
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have been re-reading the first page of the "CIA FAKES".
Fintan's essay contains so much important and basic information that it bears mentioning again - lest anyone forget.
http://www.breakfornews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm |
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Fintan Site Admin

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4215
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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So, maybe you know that I've been examining if it is possible
that the precision plane strikes alone brought down the WTC
Towers --by igniting fires on multiple floors -thus weakening floors
and columns; and by damage to core and perimeter columns.
I've been saying that the unique design of the Towers
made them vulnerable to exactly this kind of attack.
So I'm glad to see that others are looking at this also.
The extract below is the from a thread on "the911forum"
discussing the "Ex-ante vulnerability of WTC".
Ex-ante meaning vulnerable "before the event" in it's design.
| Quote: | Ex-ante vulnerability of WTC
Postby turkish » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:10 pm
In another thread Dr. G had this to say:
Dr. G wrote: Demolition theories are a nice diversion when
the building design and construction are the REAL problems.
Dr. G's idea is very interesting and not necessarily in conflict with ongoing efforts to analyze collapse initiation and propagation.
Until recently, I've been a garden variety skeptic of the Kean/Hamilton minimization. Like many other "truthers" I had accepted the notion that the towers would have remained standing if not for controlled demolition.
Over these same years, I'd also been puzzled and frustrated by occasional conversations with structural engineers who didn't share my apparently naive belief that the towers would have withstood the plane crashes and resulting fires. While many engineers are surely partisan hacks in this debate, I couldn't lump them all into that category. This left me feeling stuck.
The notion that the WTC towers might have been structurally vulnerable, independent of any conspiracy, was something I hadn't considered before. I dismissed "pancaking" theories out of hand because of their variance with the photographic record. I think my blinders were probably fitted about the time I started reading about thermite (note: never drink Kool-Aid served by someone named Jones).
More recently, the theory of ROOSD (Runaway Open Office Space Destruction) widened my view of what might have taken place.
What struck me was that if a rag tag bunch of math nerds on the internet could formulate and come close to proving ROOSD after the fact with only photos and videos to guide them, imagine what would be possible with blueprints and detailed knowledge of how the towers were actually put together.
Might better "informed" engineers ever had occasion to think about the towers' destruction via ROOSD? I suspect a study of the tallest US skyscrapers existing in the 1990s would have shown the WTC towers as the *most* vulnerable to terrorism because of the large floorspace. Certainly, in the wake of the 1993 bombing of the north tower, someone must have realized that an explosion in the basement wasn't the only way to attack WTC and that ROOSD might result from a significant event in the upper stories.....
Given access to actual blueprints and construction logs, could '90s
counter-terrorism experts have concluded, "yep, you hit one of those
towers in the right spot and the whole building will come tumbling down"?
Could that inference have been made?
READ MORE OF
THE DISCUSSION:
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/ex-ante-vulnerability-of-wtc-t330.html
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Peter

Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 1529 Location: The Canadian shield
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Serendipity do... |
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Planned obsolescence taken to its logical and predictable end.
Not so much planned as exploited, though. Those that saw the "need" for an op and were aware that when the first WTC bombing occurred they were informed that the towers were susceptible to catastrophic collapse given the "right" parameters.
Just a matter of getting it done and letting the situation run its course. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos. |
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Craig W

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 323
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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ROOSD - very interesting hypothesis...
Keep it up, fellas. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Raphael

Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 503 Location: SpaceTimeVibration
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fintan wrote: |
Kennedy's death was the Inner Coup.
Bush/Reagan was the Open Emergence of Power.
The were not two Gulf Wars. Only one.
9/11 was the finale of the half-time show.
In the NWO plan, when the final whistle blows,
the players all win, the spectators all lose. |
I agree with all you say here.
However in the past present and future, the overriding M.O. or motivation I still feel DEFAULTS to keeping 'time', and having an accurate calender.
TIME is MONEY and MONEY is TIME
ALL significant symbolism, all significant temple/church construction, all alliances made and broken are intimately connected to what Plato and the alchemists referred to as the Great Work.
The 25,920 year Precession of the Equinox cycle, our position in space relative to the Sun and its position in Space, could have much to do with humanities fate.
Here is a quote from the writiings of Karl Maria Wiligut re: Numbers
He was called H. Himmler's 'Rasputin'.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1885972210/ref=nosim/worldfamouscomic4-20
| Quote: | In the course of time
In the course of all things, sovereign rule bear
The rhythm of all cosmic phenomena in its holy ring...
Effect unleashes cause, becomes new life once again.
And yet in the end once more give judgement....
Thus, with the number "eight," to the benefit of the pious
Wisdom and all knowledge is taken up into "high safekeeping"...
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And the two glyphs Karl Maria Wiligut associated with the number 8 are the infinity symbol and the egg-timer shape.
Thus shit happens.
The elite prepare for something that could be rather dramatic, something that has a galactic signature to its message.
The best way the elite can prepare is to keep folks distracted.
I guess none of us here won the lottery eh?
None of us have been selected to moove forward?
Or maybe being picked as one of the chosen, is a step backwards in time and money spent?
namaste _________________ KEY 528=Swastika=ancient Spherical Standing Wave Theory
“A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…”
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Hombre
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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This is absolutely amazing. It makes me truly wonder what the hell is really going on here. This sometimes brilliant analysis often morphs into the utterly ridiculous, especially when it comes to the overly obvious attempts to justify why those towers collapsed in the manner visible to all of video.
The unique design of the buildings: That's interesting yet doesn't explain the complete destruction of nearly ( 95% plus nearly ) all contents of both towers during the process---neither does it explain the large fire that occurred in the 70's having zero to NO impact on the integrity of the Tower affected.
" Well you see silly man, it's just that things get destructed when heavy shit falls down on top of them from above " " We're talking tons and tons here son " lol--Ridiculous I says.
Fintan: The Interview you did with Fetzer back a few years ago is now a 404--Why? Where did it go?
It's the one where you say that you've been to nearly every state in the US--
What's that got to do with Perfect strikes, unique designs and angled attacks? Nothing of course, it just begs a few questions.
I just finished a very interesting book written by Chalmers Johnson, I must admit I've not read his others works, but this one in particular reeks of Intelligence, subtle yet clear enough.
The Book is titled: Dismantling The Empire. Without going into detail and boring the piss out of everyone---it's not long into the book before 9-11 is mentioned and the why portion is explained in detail, it's an interesting twist on just how easy it really is to explain something ( anything ) to those LESS INFORMED.
It's a classic intel technique and I must admit that the signs of just that very thing are plainly evident within some of your 9-11 lines of thought. JMHO yet one an actual informed reader can't help but notice.
Johnson is President of the Japan Policy Research Institute. Politics and Intelligence, a match made in Heaven. lol
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Lord Carpainter
Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 263 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| hawkwind wrote: | | Hombre wrote: | Yeah I like this one better. It speaks volumes.
[ Non PC - deleted ]
Have a nice day!
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That was uncalled for Hombre, lifestyle choices have nothing to do with 911 evidence ... cheap drivel. Where has the evidence researched by Fintan gone wrong and what counter evidence can be used to refute it? He is making headway with the NIST report inaccuracies, doesn't that support your overall "agenda"?
So Sasha, planes were not designed to be aerodynamic ... just large Faraday Cages? Can you use a cell phone in your living room? Seems to me you might by definition, be living in a "homeland" Faraday Cage ... who'd a thunk it? (Incorrect answer is that you don't have a cell phone.)
I'm always open to new data ... let's roll ...
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It isn't being an airplane that makes cell phone calls impossible, it's the altitude. |
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bri

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Gonna have to play devil's advocate on that one...
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MichaelC

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought cell phone calls from airborne jets were physically/technologically impossible then. |
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bri

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