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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Audio Interview: Surfing The Mayan 9th Wave Reply with quote

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The Beautiful Truth Show - 18th March, 2010

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http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/nov8_sixth_night.htm
http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/999_and_the_mayan_calendar.htm
http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/RebirthCelebration.htm
http://shiftoftheage.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/the-mayan-underworlds-and-2012/


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Understanding the Mayan Calendar
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Mar 09 2010 08:31 AM

We are pleased to announce that Carl Johan Calleman is teaching "Understanding the Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness" through the International Metaphysical University, an online university dedicated entirely to the "exploration of consciousness through education." Understanding the workings of the Mayan Calendar and its role in the transformation of consciousness is critical at this time in history as the end of the Mayan Calendar nears.

Learn about the Mayan Calendar directly from renowned author and Mayan Calendar expert Carl Johan Calleman in this 12-week interactive online course! Take advantage of this uncommon opportunity to interact directly with Dr. Calleman and other students of the Mayan Calendar online!

http://intermetu.com/blog/files/266eb2c8f6705a0d5250a4bd1ddef44e-10.html




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GUEST: Carl Johan Calleman

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The Beautiful Truth - 5th May, 2009

Mayan Rebirth & the Homo Superior

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Previous Interview
21 Feb 2007
Audio: The Mind of the Maya
Beyond the hype about 2012 and beneath the nonsense
about global catastrophe is an ancient Mayan culture with
an astonishing understanding of the universe and of
consciousness --more revelant today than when it
was developed thousands of years ago.


Internationally celebrated author and Mayan Calendar expert
Carl Johan Calleman joins Fintan Dunne to Discuss.

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The Evolution of Consciousness

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_Calendar

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The Mayan Culture

The Mayan culture has undergone substantial changes throughout its existence. It is part of the wider context of Mesoamerican civilization that stretched from Central America into present day southern United States.

This civilization was based on the cultivation of Maize and shared the Sacred 260 day calendar. It is estimated that the Maya started to cultivate Maize about 5000 years ago, around the time set for the beginning of their Long Count. It is however only at about the time of Christ that we can talk about the emergence of a high culture among the Maya....

The Mayan calendar is associated with nine creation cycles, which represent nine levels of consciousness or Underworlds as symbolized by the Mayan pyramids. This pyramidal structure of consciousness development can explain things as disparate as the common origin of world religions and the modern complaint that time seems to be moving faster.

Time, in fact, is speeding up as we transition from the materialist Planetary Underworld that still governs us to a new and higher frequency of consciousness, the Galactic Underworld, in preparation for the final Universal level of conscious Enlightenment.

The Mayan calendar is thus a spiritual device that enables a greater understanding of the evolution of consciousness driving human history and the concrete steps we can take to align ourselves with this cosmic evolution toward Enlightenment.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: The end of A world, not THE world Reply with quote

Having read Dr. Calleman's previous books, I look forward to his latest.

I used his prediction of turmoil last November to slide my investments out of harm's way and came back into the market this spring....

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Oh come on now, the economy has been manufactured to achieve maximum growth for just a few people, the credit system keeps people in perpetual debt, however that in itself isn't what wasn't sustainable. What was not sustainable was the emergence of derivatives, while the media were hyping the fear factor of the sub prime market coming to some kind of collapse, this in effect is small change to the underlying problem. You have banks leveraging out to the tune of 60 to 1 conservatively and much much more in some more extreme circumstances. While the money supply continued to grow, this could continue, however as soon as the credit crunch was announced, then consumers could either not get hold of more credit, credit was restricted or indeed credit was offered but at much higher rates.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a correction, we know it has nothing to do with a correction because the banks are still swimming in liquidity, a correction was not allowed in the stock market and instead the central banks have been pumping in trillions of dollars which resulted in short sharp rises followed by massive falls, like a junkie experiencing a massive high and even bigger downer.

It seems he is using mayan references to suggest that it was through that the economic downturn could be anticipated. He cites the mainstream economists who "didn't anticipate" to underline that but that's complete and utter crap, the mainstream commentators have a role and that's to keep the public ignorant. There have been many economists predicting for several years this coming collapse including peter schiff and bob chapman.

You see here in the UK we are all but in a depression already. There are over 10 million people in this nation without a job who fall within the working age population. Now conservative estimates are looking at perhaps another 2 million people in this country unemployed within the next 2 years. This really makes a mockery of words like correction. This is not a shift in the balance of power at all, in fact to the contrary it's a consolidation of power, both within industrial sectors as the biggest survive and the smaller fall by the wayside, within finance, as the largest acquire any competitors worth acquiring and just general competition becomes more a distant memory.

We are clearly moving headlong into this open new world order and that is why Gordon Brown's declaring at the G20 summit that "this is a great day for the new world order" It was the day they basically said the IMF will be given great power, now of course, I am not naive enough to think this is something new but my point is now they are being open about it. The reason why they are being open about is because the infrastructure has been in place for so long and the conditions have presented them with the opportunity to fully roll this out.

So the question is was the derivatives market created deliberately to allow the unfolding chaos to occur for which they would have the solution or was it their rampant greed which allowed them not to judge long term sustainability. In fact this is probably a question which doesn't matter, they clearly anticipated the consequences of their actions.

Right now they are insulating themselves with our future tax money, they are busy discussing how and when to implement a global currency. This is the new world order right in our faces!. There has not been a shift in power, at least not within the top of the hierarchy, the middle class, or at least middle and lower middle class layers are finished, which in turn will create a bigger dependancy and make western governments so much more dangerous.

It is all very well creating these romantic images of locals bartering and awakening to a new day but that only works if there are items worth bartering with. We will still need the currency, we will need the big corporations more than ever because so many small businesses are going to fold and indeed so many have gone already. Furthermore I think this talk about mayans represents a distraction in itself, basically we are being re-educated right now, we are being educated to accept a much poorer standard of living and instead recognise "our global role" this is just bs, this has all been orchestrated. Nothing in politics happens by accident, everything is pre planned and this is just yet another illustration of this.

This is going to signal "nations don't work" time to think global. However my main problem is this idea that they have lost their power, that is simply not true, it is only true in a perceived sense, however the power structure itself is being solidified. I might be accused of being pessimistic but I would argue I am just addressing the reality rather than the hope.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hiya virtuoso... i basically agree with you.

however, i did not yet listen to the audio above, so i cannot comment on the program. as much as i ought to finish my homework piece for the last day of class tomorrow, i am tempted to spend the time now to listen to the audio. unfortuantely, i know that it might mean me having to come back and comment, etc. well, that's me and my ADHD or Bi-Polar or whatever bullshit label i wanna give myself!! Wink

anyway... indeed, looking at historical information on societies and nations and wars and all that happy stuff, it's rational to anticipate your diagnosis on what's happening in this particular era. therefore, i agree with you. no conspiracy, no hokey-pokey. just plain shit-happens in a systematic way over periods of time. nothing new under the sun.

well, you know what i mean about shit happens. obviously, it's not "oops," but more a natural course once it's put on track. so, essentially, yes, it appears to happen.

in a "free society" like the United States, or Great Britain, or Canada, or Australia, or Germany... what-have-you... the people consented.

that's it. no more, no less. it always looks like a good idea at the time to change from monarchy to parliament or congress control, to socialism, to wonderful dictators. sometimes there's a scuffle, sometimes a shuffle.

we all in the metropolis needed at least running water, a sewage system, roads, and a central location to acquire food. that's where true self-sufficiency begins to morph into a variety of things.

not everyone is personally motivated, personally accepting of responsibilities, and some are not even capable. even those who are, they too wind up being part of the machine on different social levels.

it would be nice to have a utopia. but will it really behave itself?
answer: no.

enter religion, marx, poets, dreamers, party-systems, blah-blah-blah.

it's all about money and power on the surface. if it imprisons us, that too is but on the surface. we choose to allow it below the skin. and i realize it can be a hard life - and it's relative compared to those dying in atrocities around the world, whether by nature or by man.

almost seems as if man is not a natural force in the world, eh?

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virtuoso:
Nothing in politics happens by accident, everything is
pre planned
and this is just yet another illustration of this.

Absoutely Everything is a conspiracy then, is it? Wink

You're the guy who thinks Swine Flu was engineered in a biowar lab and
that the elite is implementing a global depopulation agenda.

This, despite good evidence that flu viruses mutuate naturally in intensive
farming operations where people and sick animals are in close proximity.
This despite the fact that the elite would be affected by any virus as much
as anyone else. (Maybe they have secret stockpiles of antidote to the
coming plague hidden away in secret underground bases, eh?)

Reading you I see the Alex Jones/David Icke mindset deeply entrenched.
Sorry, I can't buy that. Way too much tinfoil paranoia for me thanks.
It's carricature conspiracy theory. But then that's the reason
the NWO funds the like of Jones and Icke: it helps to psych out the
people and get them stockpiling food 'n guns instead of confidently
organizing to defeat the NWO agenda.

I'm not going to let your brainwashed
doom-laden paranoia go unchallenged.


I did an audio about the economic collapse back in October '08:

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7th October, 2008

The systemic crisis which birthed Globalism has now gone critical as
a $2,000 Trillion edifice faces deflation of up to 60/1 leveraging, and
potential wipeout of Wall Street stocks and American's retirement savings.

Fintan Dunne examines the opportunities and dangers of the
collapse of the Globalist Economic Order; and the threat of a huge
tax burden and command economy which would destroy America.

Listen: http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4711


I entitled the audio with:

Danger: Because cornered rats can still give you a nasty bite.

Imploding: Because the NWO's wave of fake inflated money supply had
hit the inevitable wall of reality. This was the fake money they have
been relying on since Clinton helped create it. The advantage for them
was to use the thin "prosperity" it seemed to have created --in order to
steamroll all over opposition to their globalization and power consolidation
agendas. Now the curtain has been pulled back on that illusion and the
NWO has an impossible task to sell their agenda to a wiser public.

All over the world, governments are under pressure. Greece, Germany,
Iceland and on and on have had riots or demonstrations against the
neo-liberal agenda of the NWO, and the globalization push is stalled.

Yes they will go down hard, but they are loosing - not winning.

"We're all Doomed" is the AJ-style undercurrent you are peddling.

I'm not buying it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

planned, controlled... like i said - for the most part, consent in areas, opposition in others, mostly both at the same time as the day is long and people are of different beliefs.

i think we had been moving in he right direction with the Age of Reason, which cannot eliminate its distractors. the USA is all of 233 years old.

people are definitely more aware due to our world becoming a smaller place by way of the internet - the thing that should not be, and would gladly be put back in the box if they only could. but all these ideas were a conglomeration of making money and so here we are.

but, even napoleon and hitler knew that disinfo is the best way.

so, while i agree that reading everything helps to acquire a balance of thought, it goes without saying that much of it is tainted, some blatantly.
how the hell can one really know?

in the end, it's whether an opinion is working for you, good, bad, or indifferent. it doesn't make it right for everyone, nor wrong for everyone. someone is always happy to blow the world up for their opinion. someone is always happy to share a better way from their opinion. someone is always happy to make money off their opinion, or take your stuff because of their opinion.

put enough of these like-minded people together and you get a place similar to Earth.

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virtuoso:
Nothing in politics happens by accident, everything is
pre planned
and this is just yet another illustration of this.

Absoutely Everything is a conspiracy then, is it? Wink

You're the guy who thinks Swine Flu was engineered in a biowar lab and
that the elite is implementing a global depopulation agenda.

This, despite good evidence that flu viruses mutuate naturally in intensive
farming operations where people and sick animals are in close proximity.
This despite the fact that the elite would be affected by any virus as much
as anyone else. (Maybe they have secret stockpiles of antidote to the
coming plague hidden away in secret underground bases, eh?)

Reading you I see the Alex Jones/David Icke mindset deeply entrenched.
Sorry, I can't buy that. Way too much tinfoil paranoia for me thanks.
It's carricature conspiracy theory. But then that's the reason
the NWO funds the like of Jones and Icke: it helps to psych out the
people and get them stockpiling food 'n guns instead of confidently
organizing to defeat the NWO agenda.

I'm not going to let your brainwashed
doom-laden paranoia go unchallenged.


I did an audio about the economic collapse back in October '08:

Quote:


7th October, 2008

The systemic crisis which birthed Globalism has now gone critical as
a $2,000 Trillion edifice faces deflation of up to 60/1 leveraging, and
potential wipeout of Wall Street stocks and American's retirement savings.

Fintan Dunne examines the opportunities and dangers of the
collapse of the Globalist Economic Order; and the threat of a huge
tax burden and command economy which would destroy America.

Listen: http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4711


I entitled the audio with:

Danger: Because cornered rats can still give you a nasty bite.

Imploding: Because the NWO's wave of fake inflated money supply had
hit the inevitable wall of reality. This was the fake money they have
been relying on since Clinton helped create it. The advantage for them
was to use the thin "prosperity" it seemed to have created --in order to
steamroll all over opposition to their globalization and power consolidation
agendas. Now the curtain has been pulled abck on that illusion and the
NWO has an impossible task to sell their agenda to a wiser public.

All over the world, governments are under pressure. Greece, Germany,
Iceland and on and on have had riots or demonstrations against the
neo-liberal agenda of the NWO, and the globalization push is stalled.

Yes they will go down hard, but they are loosing - not winning.

"We're all Doomed" is the AJ-style undercurrent you are peddling.

I'm not buying it.


It seems you are just picking and choosing when you will buy something and when you won't. I find it very ironic that you should teach people on the virtues of how an article can mislead and then of course you will cite some article for instance which seems to indicate the EU is stalling. The EU is not stalling every year more sovereign powers are handed over to this entity from all of the member states. In the case of Britain, Britain is said to have some sovereign power left and indeed it does and yet 60% of the laws of this country are now decided directly in brussels, I know brussels then tries to smoke screen everyone with rebuttals about statutory domestic regulations set.

The purpose of those type of "EU on the run" crap is to create the impression of success in the minds of the opposition to the EU but to also disarm them, after all, they are on our side now right?. I am not peddling anything other than challenging you on what you seem to create as absolutes but which themselves have far more than one perspective. It was encouraging that Ireland said no to the lisbon constitution but it's stalled their constitution it has not prevented eu nations from ratifying several parts of the treaty, as one domestic commentator put it, "they are working their way around it".

For the record I never said the flu strain which has stemmed from Mexico was a bioweapon, what I did do was to pose questions and keep an open mind on it. You know that it wouldn't be the first time chemicals have been used on people deliberately. You will also notice I said if this wasn't developed by people then it has been massively overhyped and it is this which is the most plausible of explanations. "I believe they are trying to reduce populations" get out of here, you are just engaging in willful ignorance now.

You know there is such a plan, whether it can be successfully implemented is another matter but to understand it exists all you ever need to do is speak to someone who reads one of the so called intellectual papers, the typical line I hear is that "I know it's not a nice thing to say but humans are like a cancer on the world and it would be so much easier if there was far less of us but barring some terrible virus, that isn't going to happen.

You know and I know that does not happen organically, that idea has been conditioned into the reader. When Ted Turner repeats basically the same thing I have heard, this again underline the conditioning aspect of this. I am sure it is not completely natural that western sperm counts are dropping out of the premiership faster than west brom. We consume so many fucking poisons, that I don't know how you can even mockingly address depopulation.

As for the rebuttal of the elite not being exposed to some form of a bioweapon, I have already acknowledged that is a good point but equally creates an incentive to make this race specific and unlike you, I don't for one moment dismiss the neocons PNAC document, the purpose of the neocons being unseated was to create the perception that the document died with their unseating. In basic terms, this provides the ideal conditions for those plans to be implemented without the public on their toes.

As for psyching people out, my posts have been to address and challenge notions. I agree people can be psyched out but people can be equally apathetic and pushed away by your style, it is all about perspectives. I used to listen to Alex Jones by the way, but not for a long time, I challenge all sides of this. I always have questions, always have my own take on things.

I have listened to the audio link you posted before, had done so prior to these posts. Again I am responding to the realities, they set the system up to take as much as they could and as with any ponzi scheme it only has a limited shelf life. However there is nothing in my previous post which is not logical. Unless the foundations of power change, which is not going to happen under yet more layers of centralised control, then dependancy will grow and the power of the few will grow with it.

Your response makes the assumptions that people fundamentally understand the issues, they simply don't. The large majority of the public is very apathetic, they are apathetic because of all the shit that is thrown at them by the media. Throwing out the ad hominem of conspiracy theorist is just very lazy and is not in the least bit constructive. I never said that discontent was not growing and yes riots have taken place in some parts of europe but so what? riots don't topple governments, rioting is a senseless, energy sapping exercise and when the steam has run out people are more demoralised than ever before.

Furthermore I never said this person you were interviewing was consciously a part of a diversionary tactic, all I was pointing out was that the realities on the ground make this issue just a diversion. It is not the first it certainly won't be the last. You know there are many of these, rather I was looking at how these things can be utilised.

I am not saying that humanity is doomed either, what I am doing is challenging these so called "new directions" as nothing more than false hopes. You see it's all very well creating the impression of doom and gloomers who are willingly or unwillingly spreading their negativity and yet equally creating false dawns leads to exactly the same result.

Finally, with an extremely weakened currency and the potential chaos that future protests could create, there is nothing wrong with being prepared, it seems somehow to be wrong to have stocked up with food Confused. Again this seems ironic you should mention, independance, getting away from the system etc and yet you need to have the means of being independent. Of course the extension of that in America is buy guns, who can blame them for that, the nations is awash with guns and crimes rises exponentially during a depression.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calleman is an interesting, sincere, and engaging guest. I do, though, have some criticism of his views, and have voiced a few of them on this forum before. These are not detailed critiques, as I admit I've not read one of his books, nor am I well versed in the Maya (he certainly has peaked my interest through these interviews with Fintan, though).

What I agree with and encourage is a wider, deeper, non-materialistic view of history and world events, and the search for cosmic patterns in history. I'm also in agreement that we are in an age of accelerated change (that's hard to deny on any level), and that this shift has a deep spiritual and historical significance. I agree that history can be viewed in terms of evolution of consciousness, and that it is important and valuable to do so.

What I have found in the last few years in my readings of ancient culture (mostly Egypt) is a view of history that looks at time as cyclical, and that the connection of history to consciousness is very much tied to astrology. By that I do not mean newspaper horoscopes, but it is the notion there was once a widespread, universal, and deep understanding that there was a cosmic pattern of life that could be observed simultaneously in the heavens and on earth, and it is an insight that cultures have largely lost in the modern world.

My impression is that Calleman's work does not contain these elements, and because of it I have my doubts he is bringing the true Mayan understanding to light. For one, it is odd that he has chosen an end date that does not correspond to an obvious astrological event, like a solstice or equinox. A traditional culture would not tend to have a time system divorced from celestial events. I also take issue with a worldview that views time as leading toward a single end date, completing all history...at least in the near future. Again, I agree that we are in a significant period of consciousness that is seeing a fantastic burst of energy, but I am highly sceptical of 'the end is nigh'. How many predictions like these have all of us endured, from apocalyptic Christians to optimistic New Agers, telling us that history is nearing completion, and then have these dates come to pass? I don't think 2011, or 2012, will be much different in this regard. What I've found in the understanding in ancient ideas is the turning of the ages, special periods of change, marked by predictable astronomical events, that you expect to show up as periods of rapid change. These are special times, but probably thousands of years from the coming of the what could be called super-human.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedMahna wrote:
almost seems as if man is not a natural force in the world, eh?


[cue sound of hitting nail on head].

There are bigger forces at play here and man has clearly tried to map and describe them over the millennium, with the Mayan Calender emerging as one of the more impressive maps. Carl seems to have a strong understanding of the material, but at least three quick concerns come to mind:

1. That he said during the interview and also writes (more strongly) on his website that the election of Barack Obama as a positive agent of change bringing on a new era of something, anything, different from business as usual demonstrates, to me, an unbelievable ignorance of current affairs, to a degree that should almost disqualify him from weighing in at all. If anything, his election in November of 2008 proves that nothing changed.

2. His mis-characterization and mild disparagement of Terence McKenna in several places on his website as someone who is "wrong" about the ending date of the Mayan Calendar. Terence's Time Wave Zero theory is entirely based on his original interpretation of the I Ching hexagram series. It has nothing to do with the Mayan Calendar. Because his calculations told a similar story to the Mayan Calendar, of the ebb and flow of time, of supernatural forces ebbing and flowing with time, of the fractal repetition of cycles of time that simultaneously reduced in frequency and grew in amplitude with each repetition and had what appeared to be an "ending date", what Terence called the descent into infinite novelty (or our union with the "Great Trascendental Attractor at the end of time"), he chose to align his ending date with what was popularly considered the ending date of the Mayan Calendar twenty years ago, - December 2012. His data points were close enough to allow him to do this. Terence was never married to this date. His data was not astronomical and he tried to match data points to consensus chronology in a very inexact science. He had a tremendous sense of humor about his theory and anyone familiar with him and his work would know he was not a Mayan Calendar scholar nor did he ever claim to be.

3. That Carl appears to accept as undisputed fact, without offering a qualification, that the dates and accounts of historical events that he uses to evidence predictions of the Mayan Calendar (eg: biblical events, Sumarian events, etc.) happened as described, where described and when described. There appears to be a solid, growing body of evidence that much of this was entirely fictional and that the chronology is most like inaccurate to a great degree.

I haven't read his books. I respect what he's doing. I enjoyed this interview and the one of two years ago.

As for the exchange between Fintan and virtuoso, I'm not one to look at political events or media coverage of such events to determine who is "winning the battle". I agree with virtuoso that riots in the streets, especially those portrayed in MSM, are a bogey and always have been. Financial mayhem has always been contrived and there's no reason to believe that what's happening and about to happen isn't entirely within their control.

Having said that, I agree with Fintan when he said, "Yes they will go down hard, but they are loosing - not winning ." As I have written somewhere else here before, the pattern seems to be big things breaking into little things, the end of large, unethical, top-down hierarchical entities and the emergence of small, agile, conscientious and cooperative networks/communities. This will continue and, much like mushroom mycelium, will only bear visible fruit upon it's completion.

The Catholic Church has broken into thousands of pieces. Fossil fuel energy is breaking into hundreds of pieces. Mainstream media is getting bitch-slapped by the Internet. Big Pharma vs. natural wellness, Big Auto vs. what will be hundreds of electric car manufacturers, and so on.

Their last few big strangleholds are Military, Central Banking, and Big Government. They know this and are trying desperately to maintain domination in these areas through consolidation and resorting to their usual bag of tricks.

I'm firmly in the camp that bigger, unseen forces are at play here. I'll let Terence explain it...

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedMahna wrote:
hiya virtuoso... i basically agree with you.

however, i did not yet listen to the audio above, so i cannot comment on the program. as much as i ought to finish my homework piece for the last day of class tomorrow, i am tempted to spend the time now to listen to the audio. unfortuantely, i know that it might mean me having to come back and comment, etc. well, that's me and my ADHD or Bi-Polar or whatever bullshit label i wanna give myself!! Wink


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Calleman is an interesting, sincere, and engaging guest. I do, though, have some criticism of his views, and have voiced a few of them on this forum before. These are not detailed critiques, as I admit I've not read one of his books, nor am I well versed in the Maya (he certainly has peaked my interest through these interviews with Fintan, though).


I'm confused ... what are you guys saying here? I don't agree with many of the points of view expressed by the featured guests but ... I listen to the audio, click on the links and then evaluate the content. Is this bad or too much to ask from us? Maybe I need to evaluate the way I interpret data ... you know kinda learning the other person's point of view before opening my yap. Shit will always be shit and predictably stink at the end of the day ... just remember to take a sniff before flushing ...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:
I listen to the audio, click on the links and then evaluate the content.

That's exactly what I've done. I opened my yap after listening to interviews and reading what was online by and about Calleman, mostly after Fintan's first interview with him years ago. I've formed an opinion based on that, and not on reading his books. I took a generous sniff, but I didn't...eat it all up? Dammit, hawkwind, I can't do these shit metaphors like you can!
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at the jokes my points were basically this

1) This man is parading himself as using the mayan understanding to achieve what economists weren't able to predict i.e. the crash but him citing mainstream media is bull crap when it's the mainstream media's job to say everything is fine, even if they were literally sinking in quick sand!

2) It seems to me right or wrongly that the fall of giants is being embraced but that is not looking at the big picture. What we have is less competing businesses that is very true but with that, we have even bigger monopolising of power. I also don't buy the argument that consumerism is dead, it will simply away from the west.

3) I don't think the days of economic growth are over either, again this overlooks another derivative bubble which is threatening to inflate itself and that is the carbon credits bubble. It has not been rolled out yet but I have seen so many conditioning exercises from the BBC on this, that clearly they know under the guise of "saving the earth" they will have enough public support.

4) It seems there is a focus on looking at changes in only one direction. For example the mainsream media has basically become another branch of the shadow government. We know this from simply looking at the CFR membership. Even if they were not part of this elite group, everyone understands who they are and the purpose they serve from simply experiencing a broadcast or reading one of the many false, or misleading, or simplistic or just downright deceitful story's they may convey. Therefore if they do fail, they will have been allowed to fail because they are now surplus to requirements, however the most popular ones, if they are in trouble will a) be acquired or b) bailed out.

5) Nothing monumental happens in politics without being pre planned, think tanks don't see the short term in a few years, to rule the world and not to pre plan every move would be disastrous and would have resulted in the fall of the worlds owners a long time ago. We have already witnessed a massive consolidation of power and this looks set to continue.

6) Using the example of Obama becoming President to illustrate an awakening is clutching at straws, The only reason why there was a bigger clamour than ever before and the reason why the idea of "change" seemed more wonderful than ever before, is because they had installed a president into power, one whose iq level had been obliterated by drugs and alcohol, who was a stumbling mumbling idiot, who did not run anything.

I can't remember what they said regarding the amount of time he spent on the golf course but I just hope his golfing was sharper than his speeches. The american public was played like a fiddle to want to have a new president and the president is black to, even better eh! he understands suffering, he is sure to be the one. I don't deny he had grass roots support but if they didn't want to push him, they wouldn't have pushed him.

7) In the same vein as "I have heard all of these conspiracy theory's before", I have heard all of these interpretations of the significance of years gone gone past and years coming before. I don't think this guy that has been interviewed offers anything which can not be challenged.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're only a few days away from the "Rebirth Celebration ( the Goddess of Birth)" on May 12th 2009 - What's that all about?
Any events?
What changes or whatever can we expect?

62-63 million year cycle - isn't that round about when the Earth last grew and the continents formed? Can we expect any more of that, some "DAY" soon? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: What you see is what you are... Reply with quote

Pattern recognition. Not so much to identify as, as to identify with.

Each "pyramid" level is so long, when compared to the next upper lever as to make the pyramid look like a line with a slight thickening and a tiny bump at the end.

Notwithstanding the linear relationship, it is the vibrational fluctuation that follows this pattern that drives the evolution of consciousness.

Imagine an ant climbing an hourglass. It is obliged to go around and around with only a tiny rise in it's position as it completes each cycle. Each cycle takes just a bit less time but the rise is the same so things seem to go faster.

It is all about how we experience the experience.

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