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MichaelC

Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 1895
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Brilliant, Fintan, and once again you clarify events which I have observed for years but have been puzzled by, at the same time sensing that there was something not kosher about them. I recall that - prior to the end of 1982 - very few people were concerned about the stock market. It was not 'the people's game' at all. Post 1982 we had CNBC and mass popular involvement/interest in the stock market and it became - perhaps for the first time in history? - 'the people's game'. Persists, though somehwat wounded, to this day.
Another good piece of advice, which I forgot about last year and as a result lost a lot of money is: "Turn off the fuckin' TV"! |
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atm

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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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The Siamese debate continues:
http://www.subzerosiam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=398027#post398027
Feel free to join in.
atm  _________________ "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education".
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atm

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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Internationalism was bad enough.
Globalization worse.
Financialization the worst.
We have run out of base, comparative and superlative adjectives.
We need a new adjective: a compound adjective: Neo-Feudalism.
And here we are. _________________ "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education".
Albert Einstein |
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Jimbo
Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 167
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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As a pretty faithful follower of liberal blogs, talk radio, MSNBC shows, as well as 911 Truth sites, I see there is, especially amid the health care debates, ramped up talk of "corporatists" and the corruption of the corporations on the US political and economic system. This ties in well with what Fintan has been saying in his reports.
Listening to the latest installment I kept thinking of the goose that laid the golden egg. We all know the tale but don't the neo-liberals? Fintan said that hunger for greed and power is insatiable but jeez. Are there really people who could care so little about the fate of the world? Is not their fate tied in with ours? That is what doesn't make sense to me this time. |
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Rumpl4skn

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 2600 Location: 36° 3'N x 86°40'W
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Jimbo wrote: | | Listening to the latest installment I kept thinking of the goose that laid the golden egg. We all know the tale but don't the neo-liberals? Fintan said that hunger for greed and power is insatiable but jeez. Are there really people who could care so little about the fate of the world? Is not their fate tied in with ours? That is what doesn't make sense to me this time. |
Once again, I think it's a matter of degrees. We can't picture a clear-cut, defined small group of "bad guys" and a large group of "us." Power is always a pyramid, with the scarce hyper-powerful at the top, and the uncountable powerless at the bottom. In between, we have the "movers and shakers", the middlemen who strive, dream, connive, backstab, cheat, lie, deceive, swindle, fuck-over or murder to become part of the upper crust. Or just move up a rung or two. There is certainly no end to their greed or desire to do whatever it takes for more of everything, because their zenith is still in question. And as far as those at the very top, the uber-wealthy banker families and such - they have the need to maintain their power, in order to keep those right below them satisfied.
I always say, if you want to know how the immutable laws of global control work, just watch The Sopranos, or any good Mafia movie. This is just my own personal philosophy, but I still think it's all about families. E.g., is US politics, the Bush family is up 2-0 on the Kennedys. (3-0 if one day they are tied into RFK's hit as well, which is entirely possible.) But that is the power structure. The family unit breeds loyalty, it has built-in power structure, determined by age and an easily defined hierarchical connection of lineage. The business world, IMO, is just an offshoot of that. The illicit industries the family makes it's nut from - prostitution (sex trade), rigged gambling (stock market), phony business fronts (sports, entertainment), illicit drugs (Big Pharma) and of course, civic corruption (every top-level politician in the fucking world). Add intel as your "muscle" and "juicers", an voilà.... "Welcome to the Gambinos, Hendry. This is Tommy, he used to shine shoes, next week they're gonna make him." _________________ I stand for truth and justice. I used to add "American Way" to that, before I realized that latter has nothing to do with the previous two. |
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MichaelC

Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 1895
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists |
The NWO goal is a worldwide police force(NATO,UN) -already realized - that will 'peacekeep' any 'un-cooperative' states into compliance. Witness Yugoslavia - they must have been 'terrorists'!
A woman I know was with the UN in Kosovo for quite some time. She said the one thing she noticed most of all was that in the end "every little hamlet of Kosovo had a new bank, they may have had nothing else in the village but they for sure had a new bank". |
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bri

Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2372 Location: Capacious Creek
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: WOW!!! |
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| Wu Li wrote: | | You have articulated this perfectly |
Hi Wu. Good to have you back. Brooklyn rocks,
glad it's treating you well.
Yeah he did. It was worth the wait.
I listened to the audio last night before bed and also
while I was opening crates at work.
My mind is racing.
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I have forwarded it out to all on my list. |
Anyone who's ever slightly questioned 9/11
in my presence is getting a copy of this one.
Stick around Wu, you've got a great mind.
Just0 better get out here too.
RUMPL, that Kids in the Hall sketch was a
great follow up. The fact that people don't
have a real clue about what money and debt really are,
and that Economics is deliberately presented as
absurdly confusing, is an enormous part of the 9/11 crimes.
Probably more than Dick Cheney. |
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Rumpl4skn

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 2600 Location: 36° 3'N x 86°40'W
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. The economy is not a shambles, and the worth of the nation is not a shadow of it's former self as a result of half a century of financial rape.
We're all just a bunch of winners, with no winnings.
 _________________ I stand for truth and justice. I used to add "American Way" to that, before I realized that latter has nothing to do with the previous two. |
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Big Boss

Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 556 Location: Outer Heaven
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lol!, sigh...Fintan strikes again;). I swear dude, people literally hear me cracking up at work listening to BFN with his "yes massa, no massa!" comments/analysis. When you think of the gall of these people at the top, it honestly is hilarious at times, I mean the definition of a real thug. Maybe I'm a nutjob, but I find it hilarious how these fckers operate at times. However, all at the same time, it definitely is a serious and deadly situation. You honestly DO need a sense of humor, because its fcking unreal. I'm actually near the beginning of the audio at this point but thought I'd comment nothing too important lol.
@Rump WELL said bro. Winners without our prizes. The fathers get out of tyranny in Britain, we establish ourselves here and live well for a time, the bankers get pissed and fck over the rest of the generations for ages to come using murder, mayhem and everything in between. |
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Rumpl4skn

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 2600 Location: 36° 3'N x 86°40'W
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Boss wrote: | | Lol!, sigh...Fintan strikes again;). I swear dude, people literally hear me cracking up at work listening to BFN with his "yes massa, no massa!" comments/analysis. When you think of the gall of these people at the top, it honestly is hilarious at times, I mean the definition of a real thug. Maybe I'm a nutjob, but I find it hilarious how these fckers operate at times. |
I laugh about it all the time, and I marvel at the execution. I'm literally in awe, but without the shock this time.
Besides the financial rip-offs, the social engineering has been brilliant, literally for the past century and beyond. If you've ever seen Adam Curtis' Century of the Self, you know the story of Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew. Not only the father of modern "public relations", but the man who changed it to that euphemism from "corporate propaganda." I can only imagine how the best and brightest have been culled from the upper crust geniuses to help construct the media system we have in place today. _________________ I stand for truth and justice. I used to add "American Way" to that, before I realized that latter has nothing to do with the previous two. |
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Big Boss

Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 556 Location: Outer Heaven
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting thoughts Rump. I'll have to check out 'Century Of The Self' for sure. Its interesting how I've also recently finished 2 of Perkins' books and how some of this audio ties into the process of Globalization as described in "Confessions of an EHM" and "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption". I do not endores Perkins, as I believe his books only help to shed some light on some of the processes that are used to further Globalization, from the perspective of a man who was apparently 'dipped' deeply into such processes. It just helps to understand how the system works using both resources, Fintans/BFN's incredible reporting/analysis and Perkins' book or those like it.
I find Fintan's analysis very interesting when he speaks of the military being used as muscle and how Perkins would relate that (I'm paraphrasing) "if we EHM's failed, then the "Jackals" would be next in line to finish where we left off, and if the Jackals failed, then the Military would step in and invade." Back to listening .... |
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bri

Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2372 Location: Capacious Creek
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting choice of words in the comment section of this article.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/obama-proposes-a-return-to-sanity-in-banking.aspx?page=all&ucpg=5
| Quote: | | This country has been on a path to self destruction for many years. Apparently, there is a belief that cupidity and stupidity will automatically self-correct. Both Bush and Obama inherited an economy which was already sliding downhill at an alarming rate. 9/11 saved the economy from the inevitable for a time. Beginning with Reaganomics, the drive to deregulation has resulted in more and more financial problems. Banking is a business which operates on faith. Many bankers are, indeed, faithful to their trust, but banking has become a fertile ground for dishonest and stupid operators---and there is nothing that can be done about it. |
That almost echoes this article from 2002. Oh how naïve we all were.
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Did Sept. 11 save the economy?
The Sept. 11 terror attacks fueled policy decisions that might have cut a recession short.
September 4, 2002: 8:48 AM EDT
By Mark Gongloff, CNN/Money Staff Writer
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - As awful as the Sept. 11 terror attacks were, some economists think they might have helped the U.S. economy.
Though the attacks had obvious negative short-term economic consequences and may continue to weigh on consumer and investor confidence, the policy decisions made in their wake could very well have brought a quicker end to a recession that began early last year.
"It's wrong to say the economy was just smoothly sailing along on Sept. 10," said Joshua Feinman, chief economist at Deutsche Bank Asset Management. "Economic activity started to slow in the second half of 2000 and then started to slip in the spring and summer of 2001."
The highly regarded National Bureau of Economic Research, which identifies the peaks and valleys of the business cycle, using economic indicators such as employment and manufacturing, said a recession began in March 2001, months before the terror attacks.
Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, shrank slightly in the third quarter of 2001, which included the attacks, but bounced right back in the fourth. And recent revisions of GDP data actually showed the economy was in worse shape in the first and second quarters of 2001 than after the attacks.
Spurring government spending and rate cuts
One boost to GDP growth after Sept. 11 was a vigorous burst of government spending on defense, security and recovery efforts, which sank the federal budget but gave the economy a short-term shot in the arm.
More important, however, was the dramatic action of the Federal Reserve, which cut its target for short-term interest rates in half between Sept. 17 and Dec. 11. Low rates made possible zero-percent automobile financing and ultra-low mortgage rates, which fueled a refinancing boom.
"The emergency measures actually made the fourth quarter positive when it wouldn't have been," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of the Economic Cycle Research Institute. "It definitely mitigated the recession, in terms of duration and, it seems, severity."
Of course, low interest rates are only effective when consumers are willing to take advantage of them, and U.S. consumers certainly were -- indicating they were not nearly as depressed about the attacks as some observers feared.
http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/22/news/911economy/gdp_chart_revised_731.gif
read more here...
http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/22/news/911economy/index.htm
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Big Boss

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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| That is incredible bri...., there it was, RIGHT in our faces......wow.... |
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Hombre
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:29 am Post subject: |
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It would be prudent to discuss the difference between the Financial institutions who are ACTUALLY at the root of any of the above OPINION, and those who are not.
Maybe someone is willing to post the Difference between IB's and Banks in General, as well as their different FEDERALLY REGULATED status as said bank. It's boring stuff but necessary so if someone happens upon the above they won't think that their local bank " WAS IN ON IT "
Starting to drift out to sea a bit.>> 9-11 didn't save anything, and on a scale of 1-10 in regard to EVERYTHING it ruined/killed/phucked up 4 -ever IT'S A BLOODY 20 PLUS.
Have they broken ground on that 3.5 Billion Dollar white elephant in DC yet? You know the one that will house a few hundred Fed's under the Dept of Homeland Security? All on tax payer monies. Few billion here, few billion there--Defense contractors you say, where do they figure into the GDP? Private contractors---Who pays for that shit, where and how was it spawned? Who knew IN ADVANCE that there would be such a demand for PERSONAL PRIVATE PROTECTION to the tune of $200.00 per day per hire, WAY WAY HIGHER depending on location. Always remember location, location, location.
One of those key to 9-11 SECURITY was just sentenced to jail/prison: Now I know damn well that everyone here knows who this guy is, but I'll bet my ass that that's about all most everyone knows. He's a NOOO YAWKER for Christ's sake, central to security in NOO YAWK during the 9-11 hay day's ONLY NOW he's a convicted felon. Now I know too much about this guy to post but what's a NICE NOO YAWKER like Bernie doing in the slammer? Bush wanted him for a cabinet seat as a means of exploiting Bernie's ( WELL ) EXPLOITS He's a bloody hero don't ya's know's.
Biggest joke ever was his consultant deal with TASR--BUT WTF EVER it's just another example of the shit hiding right in front of most people who are too damn stupid, just way too damn stupid to see it. It really, when I think back on it all, makes me mad enough to do something ( well ) STUPID.
Saying 9-11 solved or prematurely ended a recession, or possible recession is absolute 100% pure screaming BULLSHIT. It's political spin at the very least, Right Wing propaganda at it's very core. Funny we seem to think 2 trillion dollars was then, and most certainly is now, CHUMP CHANGE---But we're focused on the what did Fintan say? 200 trillion in assets stripped from the US>>> Is this real monies, or the shit they print up over night?
I'm reminded of a quote from a popular movie: " You talk about this stuff like you read it in a book " Only it ain't so funny. Or this one: " IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME "
QUESTION: Who builds four houses when one, maybe two will do fine? Get it? Sorry but that is reality and for those of you in the states who don't believe that that is the case, or don't follow, just take a drive around, open your eyes, have a look at what was/is supposed to be a Housing crisis brought about by sub-prime BULLSHIT. I'll pass on ARMS--I know that won't go over very well, neither will Mortgage shops embellishing credit apps for loans that later get sold to understaffed BANKS~~ Banks DO NOT loan money to those unable to service the debt: Down payment has nothing to do with it. YES in the past it may have had some impact or certain deals: " HEY WE'RE IN THIS LOAN RIGHT I TELL'S YA---If they can't pay, lose a job, break a back and can't earn enough income>>> we'll foreclose and sell for a big profit " Only now THAT'S NOT THE CASE and hasn't been for many years running.
No---I'll say it again: 2004 and the GOP's win in that election is where all of the current bullshit economic MELTDOWN SPIN was put into overdrive VIA REGULATIONS and the changing thereof. This ground has been covered before. They laid the ground work ( as some here have eluded to ) during the events that led up to 9-11. 9-11 was the cover, and the 2004 election was the trigger that set it all into motion.
There was a Big deal back in the late 90's that involved Jamie Dimon and the CEO's of one of the big Three US Banks. This was a defining moment in Dimon's career. CITI was the Bank and the whole thing was the result of a perceived INSULT to someones wife over a dance. Dimon ending up getting fired over the deal. One of the CEO's in question was Sandy Weill.
I remember this like it was yesterday because EVERYONE on Wall Street was saying that Jamie would have his pick of jobs and Weill was stupid for dumping one of the Streets brightest stars. Fast-forward through 9-11 and up to the present. Who is Jamie Dimon Now? Remember the connections, the web that runs through all of these people. Saying they KNOW nothing in regard to 9-11 and how it was done, why it was done, and who benefited, is something nobody ever mentions in first person. Listen closely and you'll hear ( they ) ( them ) ( the people ) ( the ones ) shit like that ( the masters ) These people have names folks and I think that THEY are pigeonholed into groups or classes far too often.
There is one thing in regard to the above post's, comment's, and opinion that NOBODY can disagree with and that's the FACT that Goldman Sach's is directly tied to most all of the REAL FINANCIAL SCAMS being run on today's market's. Fintan is Deadly accurate in that regard: So how can it be that only a few can see the writing on the wall? Surely that would indicate an uphill climb the likes of which can never be completed.
One can't educate EVERYONE by themselves.
One other thing! Have you noticed all of the play in and within. the Major MSM outlets in regard to Iraq and Bush and NO WMD's where 9-11 is concerned? It's striking the lengths that these ( PEOPLE ), THERE'S that word again are going to IN AN EFFORT justify the PAST.
Could it be that someone is afraid of another book, or are they merely building a platform for that Ding Bat from Alaska? I'll guess we will just have to stay tuned.
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curious george

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As someone who has been anticipating a major collapse in the US economy since 1998; I was on the edge of my seat in anticipation after the internet bubble burst and was thinking; "We need a radical new efficiency gadget to transform the economy or an unfortunate war or it's all over and market is going to do the ultimate crash"; so when the 911 hit I was very suspecting and didn't accept the official story. _________________ It has been said that "curiosity" killed the cat but it might be more accurately stated that "seriousity" killed the cat. |
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